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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 187

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timdiggerm said:

ZkinandBonez said:

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Here’s most of what we’ve seen so far in chronological order: http://imgur.com/a/cKpEP

That seems pretty accurate based on the rumours and plot points we’ve gotten so far, although the last act is still somewhat hard to predict just based on a few short clips.

However this shot is not of Finn’s Tie Fighter crashing, it’s definitively a tree-line, most likely the same as we saw in the TV spot (see second image).

Could that shot go with the space shots of the red light on a planet? Perhaps this is all part of firing the Starkiller?

That was more or less what I assumed, but isn’t Starkiller base the winter-planet iself? If so it can’t exactly shoot itself, so maybe there’s two snow-planets; one with the forest that we see Finn and Kylo duel on and the more barren one that we’ve seen actually split open to reveal the super-weapon. Either that, or this is a shot of the planet blowing up at the end of the film and the Falcon escaping the explosion (like in ROTJ).

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It is funny the number of ideas here and in other Lucasfilm products that resemble ideas voiced in fanedit threads.
I suppose if enough people think about the same things long enough the same or noticeably similar ideas will manifest.
Part of me kind of hopes we have a few Lucasfilm lurkers and contributors here, it would be really cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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ZkinandBonez said:

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Has anyone seen this before?
IS THIS REAL?

The watermark makes me doubt it. I suppose it could be for VIII, but I think it’s more likely fan-made.

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joefavs said:

ZkinandBonez said:

EDIT:
Has anyone seen this before?
IS THIS REAL?

The watermark makes me doubt it. I suppose it could be for VIII, but I think it’s more likely fan-made.

I found it while working on the Knight of Ren picture from Wired.
I though it was a bit strange since the Knights of Ren (apart from Kylo that is) from the trailer doesn’t seem to have lightsabers.

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ZkinandBonez said:

I though it was a bit strange since the Knights of Ren (apart from Kylo that is) from the trailer doesn’t seem to have lightsabers.

They may have all had lightsabers at one point during development

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timdiggerm said:

Could that shot go with the space shots of the red light on a planet? Perhaps this is all part of firing the Starkiller?

That was more or less what I assumed, but isn’t Starkiller base the winter-planet iself? If so it can’t exactly shoot itself, so maybe there’s two snow-planets; one with the forest that we see Finn and Kylo duel on and the more barren one that we’ve seen actually split open to reveal the super-weapon. Either that, or this is a shot of the planet blowing up at the end of the film and the Falcon escaping the explosion (like in ROTJ).

My thought is that firing the weapon for the first time clears a significant chunk of the land with the first blast. Like if someone had built a forest inside the Death Star’s “dish” and it all got fried the first time they turned the thing on.

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timdiggerm said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I though it was a bit strange since the Knights of Ren (apart from Kylo that is) from the trailer doesn’t seem to have lightsabers.

They may have all had lightsabers at one point during development

ZkinandBonez said:

timdiggerm said:

Could that shot go with the space shots of the red light on a planet? Perhaps this is all part of firing the Starkiller?

That was more or less what I assumed, but isn’t Starkiller base the winter-planet iself? If so it can’t exactly shoot itself, so maybe there’s two snow-planets; one with the forest that we see Finn and Kylo duel on and the more barren one that we’ve seen actually split open to reveal the super-weapon. Either that, or this is a shot of the planet blowing up at the end of the film and the Falcon escaping the explosion (like in ROTJ).

My thought is that firing the weapon for the first time clears a significant chunk of the land with the first blast. Like if someone had built a forest inside the Death Star’s “dish” and it all got fried the first time they turned the thing on.

That’s possible, but then the Falcon would have to have landed somewhere on the dish. There might be a scene during the part (which we’ve seen in the trailer) where the planet starts opening up where they (Finn, Han, Chewie) realize that they have essentially landed the Falcon on the Starkiller’s canon and have to get away before they get blown up.

As for the Knights of Ren, I’m looking forward to seeing those specialized weapons in action. That guy in the background has a sword that looks like something out of an anime, and the guy on the left looks like he has some sort of mechanical arm weapon.

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joefavs said:

There’s a new interview with J.J. in Wired: http://www.wired.com/2015/11/star-wars-force-awakens-jj-abrams-interview/

That’s a MUST READ interview. Very well done and informative about the process of making the film.

And the more I think about it, I have zero clue as to what is going to happen in TFA. I have suspicions, as we all do of course. However, this is a single movie; there will be three total for this part of the ‘the saga’. I’m trying to use that to help be a barometer as to what will actually be resolved or revealed by the end of TFA.

It’s very possible we won’t know a ton more than we already do right now about identities and motives of certain characters and relationships. There will be some plot resolutions, of course, but this will be “Macro Level” Star Wars. Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow will have to do the “Micro Level” work.

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I’m so ready for this!

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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I can’t stop watching that gif.

They captured the motion blur of the OT’s miniature photography rather well.

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Fang Zei said:

I can’t stop watching that gif.

They captured the motion blur of the OT’s miniature photography rather well.

Indeed. The lighting and contrast is nice on that one. I was a bit worried about the falcon in the first teaser trailer. It’s not that I wanted/expected them to use models, but it looked just like the 1997 ANH Mos Eisley CGI.

The newer trailers have been more promising, for some shots at least. Really like the one that has the side-on view of the falcon swooping left and right as it did in RoTJ.

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I just saw on the BBC that the Star Wars fan who had little time to live and was able to see a cut of the film has just passed away.

Makes me happy JJ was able to grant his wish.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Mavimao said:

I just saw on the BBC that the Star Wars fan who had little time to live and was able to see a cut of the film has just passed away.

Makes me happy JJ was able to grant his wish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuA31puZnjM

Just heard this as well and I’m really sorry to hear about his passing, especially so soon. I hadn’t heard if he and his wife had children or not. Being a young widow won’t be easy either way. His passing was very quick since the story last week that he had seen it.

I’m glad they worked it out so he could see TFA early.

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JCM said:

Mavimao said:

I just saw on the BBC that the Star Wars fan who had little time to live and was able to see a cut of the film has just passed away.

Makes me happy JJ was able to grant his wish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuA31puZnjM

Just heard this as well and I’m really sorry to hear about his passing, especially so soon. I hadn’t heard if he and his wife had children or not. Being a young widow won’t be easy either way. His passing was very quick since the story last week that he had seen it.

I’m glad they worked it out so he could see TFA early.

I’m so glad this man got to see the film before he passed. I hope he enjoyed it. May he R.I.P.
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It seems that another ‘Look and Find’ children’s book have possibly confirmed some speculation about Max von Sydows character.
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/11/new-image-with-finn-and-an-illustration-with-max-von-sydows-character-from-the-force-awakens-revealed-by-books.html


It seems that Poe will meet with him at the beginning of the film during the First Order raid that we’ve seen so much of in the trailers so far. And it does seem like he’ll have a pretty small part in the film; that is unless he survives and shows up later

This is also kind of interesting;
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/11/a-special-first-look-at-star-wars-the-force-awakens-this-thursday-night-on-abc.html

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The Max von Sydow thing confuses me. All signs point to his character being killed in the raid pretty much right off the bat, but if that’s the case, why cast such a legendary actor for two scenes? Maybe the raid takes place a little later than we think and there’s some stuff between him and Rey before Poe shows up. That way his death could echo Owen’s and Beru’s.

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joefavs said:

The Max von Sydow thing confuses me. All signs point to his character being killed in the raid pretty much right off the bat, but if that’s the case, why cast such a legendary actor for two scenes? Maybe the raid takes place a little later than we think and there’s some stuff between him and Rey before Poe shows up. That way his death could echo Owen’s and Beru’s.

Also, this makes me think that perhaps Poe is captured during the raid, and then escapes later? Or maybe several rebels resistance decide to rescue him, like Luke & Co rescued Leia in the original Star Wars?

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joefavs said:

The Max von Sydow thing confuses me. All signs point to his character being killed in the raid pretty much right off the bat, but if that’s the case, why cast such a legendary actor for two scenes? Maybe the raid takes place a little later than we think and there’s some stuff between him and Rey before Poe shows up. That way his death could echo Owen’s and Beru’s.

Well, the film is going to have Simon Pegg, now a very famous actor, completely unrecognizable as an alien at some point in the film. Sydow’s character will at least be seen, heard, and is probably going to play a pretty important part in the events of the story despite a relatively short appearance.
And of course we have no idea how the scene itself if going to play out. TFA, like ANH will probably wait a fair amount of time before showing us the lead characters. It wouldn’t surprise me if the first 10-ish minutes of the film is entirely focused on Poe and Sydow’s character. And eventually BB-8 as he leads us to Rey and later Finn.

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zaknaberrnon said:

joefavs said:

The Max von Sydow thing confuses me. All signs point to his character being killed in the raid pretty much right off the bat, but if that’s the case, why cast such a legendary actor for two scenes? Maybe the raid takes place a little later than we think and there’s some stuff between him and Rey before Poe shows up. That way his death could echo Owen’s and Beru’s.

Also, this makes me think that perhaps Poe is captured during the raid, and then escapes later? Or maybe several rebels resistance decide to rescue him, like Luke & Co rescued Leia in the original Star Wars?

Poe is definitively captured early in the film, and most likely set free by Finn as he desert the First Order, only to be shot down on Jakku. The real question is how he ends up on the Resistance base later in the film as we’ve seen in the trailers.

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ZkinandBonez said:

zaknaberrnon said:

joefavs said:

The Max von Sydow thing confuses me. All signs point to his character being killed in the raid pretty much right off the bat, but if that’s the case, why cast such a legendary actor for two scenes? Maybe the raid takes place a little later than we think and there’s some stuff between him and Rey before Poe shows up. That way his death could echo Owen’s and Beru’s.

Also, this makes me think that perhaps Poe is captured during the raid, and then escapes later? Or maybe several rebels resistance decide to rescue him, like Luke & Co rescued Leia in the original Star Wars?

Poe is definitively captured early in the film, and most likely set free by Finn as he desert the First Order, only to be shot down on Jakku. The real question is how he ends up on the Resistance base later in the film as we’ve seen in the trailers.

I have no problem with thinking that’s Poe inside the Star Destroyer?

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timdiggerm said:

ZkinandBonez said:

zaknaberrnon said:

joefavs said:

The Max von Sydow thing confuses me. All signs point to his character being killed in the raid pretty much right off the bat, but if that’s the case, why cast such a legendary actor for two scenes? Maybe the raid takes place a little later than we think and there’s some stuff between him and Rey before Poe shows up. That way his death could echo Owen’s and Beru’s.

Also, this makes me think that perhaps Poe is captured during the raid, and then escapes later? Or maybe several rebels resistance decide to rescue him, like Luke & Co rescued Leia in the original Star Wars?

Poe is definitively captured early in the film, and most likely set free by Finn as he desert the First Order, only to be shot down on Jakku. The real question is how he ends up on the Resistance base later in the film as we’ve seen in the trailers.

I have no problem with thinking that’s Poe inside the Star Destroyer?

I’m not saying that. I was just using the picture to illustrate him being captured as well as being with Finn before he eventually decides to escape and get’s shot down.
And we’ve previously seen short lips of Poe looking somewhat desperate to reach his X-Wing in the same environment that the flamethrower storm troopers are burning down alongside Phasma and Kylo. We’ve also seen John Boyega dressed as a Storm trooper on this location/set.

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http://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-force-awakens-simon-pegg-genuinely-magical/

Was listening to the Far, Far, Away Podcast this morning and Simon is taking a hit for his comments about the Prequels but the man speaks the truth.

I mean, I accept the Prequels on their own terms. They exist, I don’t want them written out of history. But they are not good movies. TPM was maybe one of the worst movie-going experiences I have ever had in my nearly 40 years. I wonder if this is maybe a generational thing. Gen X loved the OT because it spoke to them and Millennials (not all of them, but a lot) are more apt to like the PT.

What I cannot abide by is the fact that the OT that we are forced to live with in the public domain now is not recognizable to what I grew up with. If I can be forgiving to the PT and say “let 'em live” then we should at least have the OT available to us as they were originally released and not retroactively changed to fit the PT (or other whims). Even if it makes for an uneven viewing experience, that’s fine. They don’t all have to fit together and make sense. They can exist together in the same family without all having to agree with each other as long as they agree with each other among themselves, PT, OT and now ST, respectively.

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ZkinandBonez said:

timdiggerm said:

ZkinandBonez said:

zaknaberrnon said:

joefavs said:

The Max von Sydow thing confuses me. All signs point to his character being killed in the raid pretty much right off the bat, but if that’s the case, why cast such a legendary actor for two scenes? Maybe the raid takes place a little later than we think and there’s some stuff between him and Rey before Poe shows up. That way his death could echo Owen’s and Beru’s.

Also, this makes me think that perhaps Poe is captured during the raid, and then escapes later? Or maybe several rebels resistance decide to rescue him, like Luke & Co rescued Leia in the original Star Wars?

Poe is definitively captured early in the film, and most likely set free by Finn as he desert the First Order, only to be shot down on Jakku. The real question is how he ends up on the Resistance base later in the film as we’ve seen in the trailers.

I have no problem with thinking that’s Poe inside the Star Destroyer?

I’m not saying that. I was just using the picture to illustrate him being captured as well as being with Finn before he eventually decides to escape and get’s shot down.
And we’ve previously seen short lips of Poe looking somewhat desperate to reach his X-Wing in the same environment that the flamethrower storm troopers are burning down alongside Phasma and Kylo. We’ve also seen John Boyega dressed as a Storm trooper on this location/set.

Oooh, right.

Also I got the Resistance and First Order mixed up.