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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 172

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"Innovation, which is changing one's mindset, could be a very good value for science and economy but it's not necessarily for cinema, or drama, or music, or architecture. However it could be, supposing you can actually develop your innovative concept to a point when it paralels the effects and complexity of the previous way of thinking or paradigma.

You can relate this fascination with what's new even to the juvenile praising of plot-twists and the poor JJ Abraham's Mistery Box. There are whole studios (and viewers) that base their enjoyment of a movie (which, given a certain quality, could reach the level of being called a film) solely on the fact of being as ignorant as possible of the story. To these viewers the supposition of knowing the details of the plot would "spoil" the entire spectacle because their highest value is surprise, and because, to them the sense of fun lies in being dissoriented by the sudden rearrangement of plot-facts and questions instead of the traditional (+2000 years of history of art) extasis produced by overwhelming knowledge.

Traditional storytelling presents you a trouble, and, if the resource is used at all, Deus ex Machina helps you suddenly solve the puzzle thus generating pleasure by knowledge; even ESB works this way and even today Nolan is the Master of DeM IMHO (used this way). Nowadays is the other way round, DeM only helps bring more questions, and it gives pleasure by not knowing.

This is a different paradigma, and I'm not saying I'm against it because cinema has proven to produce great films using this plot-structure. On the other hand, mankind has proven to produce great art along history not using surprise as a value element at all. Take Aedipus and you know exactly how it is going to end, and it doesn't diminish it as a drama, and there are lots of good greek tragedies, and bad ones as well. Or take Les Miserables. Or even take any movie of Paolo Sorrentino (in my opinion the best film maker working these days); take for instance The Great Beauty: there are absolutely no big plot-twists, no innovations whatsoever and still the basic premise is developed brillantly, visually, musically and in the script as well; that movie in particular doesn't even have a plot other than presenting creatively the contradictions of life itself."

John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/

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My nephew showed me the poster yesterday---he seemed to like it but when I inspected it closely I saw that it wasn't by Struzan, but some kind of photoshop crap so I was disappointed.

WHY isn't Luke in the poster? There's a bunch of speculation about his role in this film....I hope he isn't (as some suggest) doing just a sort of brief cameo in preparation for pt. 8. I'll be very upset. :-?

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corellian77 said:

Star Wars has been synonymous with "Hollywood blockbuster" since 1977.  What else would one want it to look like?

An Andalusian dog.

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Fandango has put the ticket page online. Show times for the US are now shown. But sales don't go live until 10pm Eastern.

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Unless everything we think we know about this film is completely off base, Luke's absence figures heavily into the plot. I'm totally fine with him barely being in it if it makes the story better. We've got two more of these on the way, I don't mind it if we don't get everything all at once.

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Just got mine for Las Vegas! Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 7:30 PM

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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Movietickets.com is open too. Just snagged mine for 7:30 on the 17th.

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joefavs said:

Movietickets.com is open too. Just snagged mine for 7:30 on the 17th.

 That is who I used to get my tickets.

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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Ah, Fandango started a little earlier so I assumed you used them.

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Fandango finally came back online for me to get mine. MT and fandango were both slow at listing my theater as for sale. Fortunately, got the perfect middle/center seats 8pm on the 17th.

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Monday Night Football Half Time will feature the trailer

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Good lord football takes a long time.

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How long before people are scalping movie tickets?

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Where were you in '77?

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If this guy shows up in the trailer tonight, I hope I can off load my tickets!

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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Finally!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE

“English, motherf***er! Do you speak it!?”

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"Just let it in."

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Where were you in '77?

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Now someone put it on Youtube! I have no TV service.

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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The love theme from ESB was on my shortlist of things that will make this movie perfect.