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On a technical level, I thought it was amazing. Especially on a phone where the viewpoint moves with you as you turn it. Makes me want to strap my phone in front of my eyes so I can more naturally look around.

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MSW is reporting that Max Von Sydow's character has been revealed to be a Jakku elder named Lor San Tekka, who knows the whereabouts of Luke Skywalker.

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/09/rumor-max-von-sydows-character-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens-is-named/

In the article, it is cagily implied that MSW knows more about the character but will not reveal it. So, hope springs eternal for the Boba Fett rumor.

Someone on Reddit expressed his hope that this character name is not some reference to another JJ Abrams film or show. I heartily echo that sentiment.

"These deadly rays will be your death..."

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Akton said:

Someone on Reddit expressed his hope that this character name is not some reference to another JJ Abrams film or show. I heartily echo that sentiment.

LOr San Tekka

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Uuuuuuuuugh, that damn Boba Fett rumor. That one has always seemed particularly stupid. Von Sydow is decades too old.

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joefavs said:

Uuuuuuuuugh, that damn Boba Fett rumor. That one has always seemed particularly stupid. Von Sydow is decades too old.

Well, that kind of depends on the canon you choose to follow. In the old EU he was roughly 40 or so in ESB and ROTJ, so 30 years later he would be roughly 70-ish in TFA.
Of course it's practically an impossibility that Abrams and Kasdan would have been allowed to contradict the PT, even though they may never directly reference it, so I agree that it's really silly that everyone keeps expecting Sydow's character to be Boba Fett.

My guess is that many fans just really want this film to contradict the PT, just like a lot of fans seems desperate to have it acknowledge the PT; hence this stupid Snoke is Darth Plagueis rumour.

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The movies don't really have any choice about which canon to follow, though; they're bound to whatever the Lucasfilm Story Group decides, and they're most definitely going with the prequels. I honestly think it's a case of a subset of fans wildly overestimating Fett's importance, seeing there was still an actor whose character we didn't know anything about, and saying "well, obviously that has to be Boba Fett".

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AntcuFaalb said:

Akton said:

Someone on Reddit expressed his hope that this character name is not some reference to another JJ Abrams film or show. I heartily echo that sentiment.

LOr San Tekka

 

....bloody hell, you're right.

If that's the worst thing he does with the films, then I'd say we got off easy, but damn... I don't know if even Kevin Smith himself indulged in that much self-reference whoring in his Superman Lives script...

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joefavs said:

The movies don't really have any choice about which canon to follow, though; they're bound to whatever the Lucasfilm Story Group decides, and they're most definitely going with the prequels. I honestly think it's a case of a subset of fans wildly overestimating Fett's importance, seeing there was still an actor whose character we didn't know anything about, and saying "well, obviously that has to be Boba Fett".

Like I said Kasdan and Abrams aren't going to be allowed to contradict the PT, but that doesn't necessarily meant that they will make any direct, if any, references to it other than what was already acknowledged in the OT.
And because of that Sydow cant be Boba Fett. 

It's actually kind of funny considering how so many people on this forum is almost terrified that the ST will create more universe shrinking like the PT did, while most of the fans on the internet seems desperate to prove all kinds of strange lore connections. 
I personally can't help but think "Why do so many people even want Sydow to play an old Boba Fett?" I mean is that a good thing? It's also so illogical, so why this persistence regardless.

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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AntcuFaalb said:

Akton said:

Someone on Reddit expressed his hope that this character name is not some reference to another JJ Abrams film or show. I heartily echo that sentiment.

LOr San Tekka

 Isn't that kind of a stretch?

(I mean, if LST meant something I might believe it, but this might as well have been LOSATE, or RNA.)

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Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
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ZkinandBonez said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Akton said:

Someone on Reddit expressed his hope that this character name is not some reference to another JJ Abrams film or show. I heartily echo that sentiment.

LOr San Tekka

 Isn't that kind of a stretch?

(I mean, if LST meant something I might believe it, but this might as well have been LOSATE, or RNA.)

Not mine: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/3m6d1l/max_von_sydow_character_lor_san_tekka_msw/cvcgi3k

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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ZkinandBonez said:

joefavs said:

The movies don't really have any choice about which canon to follow, though; they're bound to whatever the Lucasfilm Story Group decides, and they're most definitely going with the prequels. I honestly think it's a case of a subset of fans wildly overestimating Fett's importance, seeing there was still an actor whose character we didn't know anything about, and saying "well, obviously that has to be Boba Fett".

Like I said Kasdan and Abrams aren't going to be allowed to contradict the PT, but that doesn't necessarily meant that they will make any direct, if any, references to it other than what was already acknowledged in the OT.
And because of that Sydow cant be Boba Fett. 

It's actually kind of funny considering how so many people on this forum is almost terrified that the ST will create more universe shrinking like the PT did, while most of the fans on the internet seems desperate to prove all kinds of strange lore connections. 
I personally can't help but think "Why do so many people even want Sydow to play an old Boba Fett?" I mean is that a good thing? It's also so illogical, so why this persistence regardless.

 

Casting Max Von Sydow is not some kind of formal contradiction of the PT; at most, it is (from the PT fanboy's POV) a case of very bad casting. Perhaps he wears some kind of facial prosthesis which makes the fact that he's not a Maori less immediately jarring... and he's lived on (a) desert planet(s) for decades, and so he aged badly; plus he was mauled by a Sarlaac at one point - so there's your in-universe justification right there.

Outside-universe requires no explanation at all other than "he's a great actor and we thought he was right for the role." Could it be taken as a passive swipe at the PT canon on the part of the ST team? Sure, but nothing solid enough for the Corporate Canon Committee to hang their hats on.

As to why his playing Boba Fett is desirable for some of us, that's easy. Boba Fett was a wildly popular peripheral character from the OT who was given an unceremonious chump's death in ROTJ that left many fans feeling cheated. Having an actor of MVS's caliber play the character in TFA nicely fixes all of the problems that hamstrung Boba Fett to begin with: It means he survived what was otherwise the lamest onscreen death of a beloved character; and, assuming he plays a pivotal role in the plot of TFA, it means his importance to the franchise - an importance that exists solely because he was cool-looking and heavily marketed - has been justified by making him important to the actual events of the larger story beyond being a glorified delivery boy / bouncer.

"These deadly rays will be your death..."

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Akton said:

ZkinandBonez said:

joefavs said:

The movies don't really have any choice about which canon to follow, though; they're bound to whatever the Lucasfilm Story Group decides, and they're most definitely going with the prequels. I honestly think it's a case of a subset of fans wildly overestimating Fett's importance, seeing there was still an actor whose character we didn't know anything about, and saying "well, obviously that has to be Boba Fett".

Like I said Kasdan and Abrams aren't going to be allowed to contradict the PT, but that doesn't necessarily meant that they will make any direct, if any, references to it other than what was already acknowledged in the OT.
And because of that Sydow cant be Boba Fett. 

It's actually kind of funny considering how so many people on this forum is almost terrified that the ST will create more universe shrinking like the PT did, while most of the fans on the internet seems desperate to prove all kinds of strange lore connections. 
I personally can't help but think "Why do so many people even want Sydow to play an old Boba Fett?" I mean is that a good thing? It's also so illogical, so why this persistence regardless.

 

Casting Max Von Sydow is not some kind of formal contradiction of the PT; at most, it is (from the PT fanboy's POV) a case of very bad casting. Perhaps he wears some kind of facial prosthesis which makes the fact that he's not a Maori less immediately jarring... and he's lived on (a) desert planet(s) for decades, and so he aged badly; plus he was mauled by a Sarlaac at one point - so there's your in-universe justification right there.

Outside-universe requires no explanation at all other than "he's a great actor and we thought he was right for the role." Could it be taken as a passive swipe at the PT canon on the part of the ST team? Sure, but nothing solid enough for the Corporate Canon Committee to hang their hats on.

As to why his playing Boba Fett is desirable for some of us, that's easy. Boba Fett was a wildly popular peripheral character from the OT who was given an unceremonious chump's death in ROTJ that left many fans feeling cheated. Having an actor of MVS's caliber play the character in TFA nicely fixes all of the problems that hamstrung Boba Fett to begin with: It means he survived what was otherwise the lamest onscreen death of a beloved character; and, assuming he plays a pivotal role in the plot of TFA, it means his importance to the franchise - an importance that exists solely because he was cool-looking and heavily marketed - has been justified by making him important to the actual events of the larger story beyond being a glorified delivery boy / bouncer.


I get why people like Boba Fett, I was a huge fan of Fett as a kid, I still he's a cool character, but I don't really feel that these fans have really though it through when they wish for him to be in TFA. It would end up being a cheap plot twist regardless of anyones SW canon preferences. 

If it weren't for Disney/Lucasfilm I would genuinely be worried about this rumour. It would be like Leonard Nimoy in Abrams 2009 Star Trek reboot; a pointless cameo that's there purely to trick fans into thinking for a short while that it's connected to something that they love nostalgically. It didn't really complement the story, it made little logistical sense, and it simply acknowledged that the film didn't have the guts to be it's own thing. So they simply made a convenient excuse for him to be there. Not to mention the obvious fan service, and fan service very rarely works within the plot of the movie.

All in all, despite liking Boba Fett, I really think it would have been a terrible choice to put him in TFA. Not that I think he will be, and I'm glad that he's most likely not. I just think that a lot of fans are very shortsighted and easily swayed by their nostalgia when they wish for him to make an appearance. 

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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joefavs said:

Uuuuuuuuugh, that damn Boba Fett rumor. That one has always seemed particularly stupid. Von Sydow is decades too old.

 Wasn't it established in The Clone Wars that clones eventually age faster as a side effect of the process that accelerates their growth into adults? There was even a clone who worked at the cloning facility that was prematurely aged.

Even though Boba was "unaltered", he could still have the aging issue.

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AntcuFaalb said:

Akton said:

Someone on Reddit expressed his hope that this character name is not some reference to another JJ Abrams film or show. I heartily echo that sentiment.

LOr San Tekka

 ranekka?

Isn't that the Jewish Christmas?

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SilverWook said:

joefavs said:

Uuuuuuuuugh, that damn Boba Fett rumor. That one has always seemed particularly stupid. Von Sydow is decades too old.

 Wasn't it established in The Clone Wars that clones eventually age faster as a side effect of the process that accelerates their growth into adults? There was even a clone who worked at the cloning facility that was prematurely aged.

Even though Boba was "unaltered", he could still have the aging issue.

 I seem to remember a line that explicitly said Boba doesn't have growth acceleration when the Kaminoan guy is telling Obi-Wan about Jango. Could be wrong, though, and I'm really not up to popping in AOTC to find out right now.

side note, everyone in those movies is way too blasé about the growth acceleration thing. all those clones being sent into combat are like, ten years old or something, and there isn't even a whiff of the sense that this state of affairs is even ethicall shaky.

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I think TCW touched upon whether clones have rights, but this is the same galaxy where sentient droids get kicked out of sleazy bars. ;)

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I don't remember the line, but that's exactly what I thought it was about. Jango didn't want to have a son that ages 15x (or whatever) faster than him.

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There still could be health issues that are unique to clones.

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And now memories of the Spider-Man Clone Saga come unbidden to my mind ...

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joefavs said:

side note, everyone in those movies is way too blasé about the growth acceleration thing. all those clones being sent into combat are like, ten years old or something, and there isn't even a whiff of the sense that this state of affairs is even ethicall shaky.

 

Well, sir, you're forgetting the powerful moment when Obi-Wan stared blankly at the morally horrific sight of the army of disposable ten year old men secretly ordered by a dead guy and said something to the effect of "Hmm." or "Oh" or "...."

Not to mention the scene at the end of AOTC where he discusses the matter with Yoda and concludes, to paraphrase the wise Jedi, "Well, we won the battle thanks to them, so, y'know, whatever."

Besides, why should we get our panties in a bunch over something like the moral duties of Jedi? After all, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

... which is, of course, an absolute statement.

So I guess Obi-Wan was evil all along, which explains his moral laxity.

So, you see the genius of George Lucas at work here.

...Okay, I'm physically ill after that brief round of playing "devil's advocate" for PT apologists. I'm gonna go lie down now.

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