Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 160

Anakin Starkiller said:

but 3 different writers without a plan?

Five, actually. TFA has three credited writers and RoS has two, although Abrams is one of each. For comparison the OT had three and the PT had two, and all the of the first six films at least gave Lucas a story by credit, so there was guiding vision. RoS gives that credit to DotF’s writers (for some reason), so if you count those the ST has a whopping seven different writers, only one of which appeared for more than one entry (Abrams). Compare that to the PT being almost singlehandedly written by Lucas (with help on AotC) and the difference is night and day. The PT knew what story it wanted to tell and the ST didn’t. Hell, the ST even had a different producer each on top of Kennedy and Abrams (the latter only for the ones he directed).

The reason the writers of Duel of the Fates received a writer’s credit is because a fair few ideas like Chewie receiving the medal and superweapon Star Destroyers were all present. It’s part of WGA rules.

It speaks to a problem with J.J.'s films, he incorporates ideas without thinking of the context of said ideas and the ramifications they’ll have on the story he’s telling. It’s why in retrospect I find the starting points of the Original Trilogy trio so jarring as they’re in pretty much the same starting points in A New Hope. It’s just there to evoke feelings and nostalgia. Nothing more.

As a sidenote, one thing that’s starting to bother me more and more is how Return of the Jedi has the Death Star II and in the very next film we see yet another Death Star in Starkiller Base. This is so jarring especially if you’re watching the films in sequence order. Do we really need back to back films with a Death Star?

Anakin Starkiller said:

Chewie receiving the medal and superweapon Star Destroyers were all present.

I legit don’t remember those being in DotF, but I’ll take your word for it.

As a sidenote, one thing that’s starting to bother me more and more is how Return of the Jedi has the Death Star II and in the very next film we see yet another Death Star in Starkiller Base. This is so jarring especially if you’re watching the films in sequence order. Do we really need back to back films with a Death Star?

People bitched about Starkiller Base, but DSII is no better. ANH should’ve been the end of it.

And I’ll have to take the word for it of a reviewer I trust on YouTube. Haha.

I really have no problem with Death Star II as it plays into the story in luring the Rebels out of hiding once and for all. Palpatine’s overconfidence was his weakness. Although I can understand why some don’t like it.

Anakin Starkiller said:

DS II does make sense from an in-universe standpoint, it’s just incredibly lazy out-of-universe.

Absolutely. At least it makes sense within universe unlike Starkiller Base.

Here’s a rundown on the similarities between Duel of the Fates and The Rise of Skywalker.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-rise-skywalker-duel-fates-script-story-similarities/

I feel it’s more about authenticity, less quality. Though I don’t think we reach ‘what could have been’ territory without a disappointing result, grass is always greener etc, the emphasis has been on auteur theory (of which Lucas himself believes). You can still like one thing better than the other or find another artist who personally takes the risks you like to see or achieves your idea of a satisfying result, it’s true even auteur theory doesn’t define or determine good or bad, but for some of us and now maybe even more after TROS that’s the vision we rather would have seen, for its authenticity, quality not guaranteed.

‘Matt Smith Confirms He Almost Appeared in ‘Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker’ in a Big Role’:-

https://collider.com/matt-smith-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-confirmed

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'Matt Smith Says His Cut Star Wars Character Was A ‘Big Shift’ In The History Of The Franchise’:-

www.slashfilm.com/651004/matt-smith-says-his-cut-star-wars-character-was-a-big-shift-in-the-history-of-the-franchise

Matt Smith in quotes…

“We were close to me being in [‘The Rise of Skywalker’], but then it just never quite happened. I think the thing they were thinking of me for, eventually the part became obsolete and they didn’t need it. So I never got to be in ‘Star Wars.’ There we are.”

“…it was a pretty groovy thing. It was a really groovy part in concept. It was a big thing, a big story detail. You know, a transformative ‘Star Wars’ story detail. But it never quite got over the line.”

‘The Happy Sad Podcast’ - with Matt Smith (a 39 minute chat):-

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/matt-smith-vol-ii/id827905050?i=1000540602965 (just click on play to listen - free)
 

a 2 minute video clip of the interview with Matt Smith - https://twitter.com/joshuahorowitz/status/1455864856230436868

I wonder what the role was - a younger version or a clone of Palpatine, Palp’s son, or other?
 

oojason said:

I wonder what the role was - a younger version or a clone of Palpatine, Palp’s son, or other?
 

Welp! I’m glad he finally spoke out about it as the only official confirmation we had was Internet Archive records on Disney’s UK website showing him part of the cast. Richard E. Grant also commented on it at the time to Radio Times:

“Oh, it’s definitely worth it,” he says. “If you’re a Star Wars fan, and I am, then knowing what’s coming in this is quite something.

“I absolutely understand why they’re so secretive about it, because it’s very exciting.”

The film also offers the opportunity for a reunion between Grant and former Doctor Who star Matt Smith, who has also been confirmed to star in Star Wars IX around six years after the pair clashed as the Doctor and The Great Intelligence in the BBC sci-fi series.

“Yes, we were in a Christmas special and another episode together,” Grant says. But will they share any scenes again?

“I would be fired if I told you anything about that,” he smiles.

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/film/2019-02-24/richard-e-grant-can-you-ever-forgive-me-oscars-star-wars/

I think I remember rumours at the time saying he’d be playing The Son from The Clone Wars or a younger clone version of Palpatine. I can imagine him as a variation of Palpatine before or after he Force Drains Rey and Kylo’s powers as he regains his youthful form. I can see them changing this because they felt fans would prefer seeing Ian McDiarmid the whole film.

If anyone’s curious, I just did a post on my blog detailing how I would handle post-TRoS content if I were Disney:

http://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2021/12/my-pitch-for-future-of-star-wars.html?m=1

Buzz Lightyear said:

rocknroll41 said:

If anyone’s curious, I just did a post on my blog detailing how I would handle post-TRoS content if I were Disney:

http://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2021/12/my-pitch-for-future-of-star-wars.html?m=1

Looks good to me. I especially like the “age of division” idea. Makes the sequel trilogy feel more justified, since it brings the galaxy to a different place than it was at after RotJ.

Thanks, glad you like my ideas! And yeah that was my core thought as well.

Rodney-2187 said:

I don’t think we’ve seen the last of these characters. I can’t wait to see what comes next.

Same! Despite some issues I had with the ST, I still think there’s potential for these characters.

regularjoe said:

You need well developed characters and stories before you can ship characters. The ST is a hot mess that is especially deficient in both.

Who said anything about shipping?