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ATMachine said:

Small note: When George Lucas decided to expand the Sequel Trilogy from one film to three (as mentioned in The Making of ESB), he initially considered having each film use the same cast and script, but different directors.

That way, by experiencing the same story three times in different ways, audiences would see what a director’s sensibility brings to a film: a particular point of view.

Too bad directors don’t direct the film anymore. It’s now a soulless, corporate, machine.

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Also, in the other idea of the Sequel Trilogy continuing immediately on from the third film in the OT: Luke’s long-lost sister (i.e., not Leia) is named either Nellith or Mara, depending on whether she’s a former Sith Lord or a former space pirate.

The former name suggests Lilith, Adam’s sinful first wife from Jewish lore, and parallels the Catholic Marian symbolism associated with Leia. The second, from Mara the tempter demon in Buddhism, stands outside Christianity, as pirates stand outside polite society. (Hence Mara Jade’s name in the Thrawn trilogy.)

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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Alderaan said:

ATMachine said:

Small note: When George Lucas decided to expand the Sequel Trilogy from one film to three (as mentioned in The Making of ESB), he initially considered having each film use the same cast and script, but different directors.

That way, by experiencing the same story three times in different ways, audiences would see what a director’s sensibility brings to a film: a particular point of view.

Too bad directors don’t direct the film anymore. It’s now a soulless, corporate, machine.

It’s quite remarkable how one of Star Wars’ greatest legacies is the resurrection of the 1930s studio system whose death brought about the New Hollywood in the first place. One more sad indicator of how Lucas became the King Midas of Hollywood: turning ideas to gold at the price of sucking out their life.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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I am glad that Lucas is out of this franchise

His new concepts were often fifty shades of awful

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I know! Lucasfilm should hire this guy!
I’m reminded of the time I was at a county fair in the mid 80’s and saw a huge model of a triple(!) hull Star Destroyer with a teeny tiny Falcon fleeing in front of it. It made the Excecutor look about as threatening as a tinker toy. This was ILM quality model work by someone in their early teens. I sure hope they got into the industry.

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Things I want to see

-Force ghost Luke

-Luke sending Rey to Tatooine to look for Obi-wan Kenobi’s hut to find a crystal for her new lightsaber. I think it would be cool to revisit a previous Star Wars location, as long as it fits within the story. She needs a new lightsaber, why not go to Tatooine as Luke instructs her too. I’m sure his hut was raided, but there might be something hidden, she used to be a scavenger and she has force abilities to find things easier now.

-An awards celebration at the end of Episode IX, much like Episode IV. Rey, Poe, and Finn given medals. No princess, so I don’t know how this can be done now. Ben Solo is still royalty.

-No Deathstar 4, come up with something unique and different.

-Showdown with Rey and Kylo Ren (Green against Red)

-Force ghosts of Luke, Yoda and Ben Solo perhaps or Leia? at the very end of the film. Maybe Kylo Ren doesn’t return to the light side.

There are a lot of possibilities for Episode IX.

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Tantive3+1 said:

Something I’ve never heard anyone talk about is, how are they going to carry-on with IX when Carrie Fisher played a major role in TLJ?

It’s been talked about a lot, but mostly in regards to the fact that there were at least two surprisingly appropriate places to kill of Leia in TLJ and they didn’t take the opportunity to do so, even when they had plenty of time for reshoots after her death.

Personally, I’d have killed her off in the bridge explosion, reshot the rest of her scenes with Holdo, reshot the kamikaze run with Ackbar, and changed the ending so Luke doesn’t die (someone suggested he opens his eyes on Ahch-to after the “duel,” then lifts his X-wing out of the water and flies off-world to end the movie).

But that’s a lot to change due to one actor’s death, especially when she’d already filmed all her scenes, so you’re compromising the movie to do the next movie a favor rather than to make this movie better. So I get why they didn’t do any of that.

But at the very least I think they should’ve experimented with reshooting Luke’s ending so he survives after her death. Not that I’m not pumped for the possibility of Force spirit Luke haunting Kylo, mind you.

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Anyone think the Falcon should be destroyed in IX? I was kinda bummed even back in TFA that it lasted movie. And then it came back into action in TLJ. My reasoning is because it’s making excessive appearances and if it isn’t gone in IX, that leaves room for it to appear in yet another trilogy after IX… Plus, not gonna lie, I’m going to tear up seeing it blown up or something in the next movie.

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TavorX said:

Anyone think the Falcon should be destroyed in IX? I was kinda bummed even back in TFA that it lasted movie. And then it came back into action in TLJ. My reasoning is because it’s making excessive appearances and if it isn’t gone in IX, that leaves room for it to appear in yet another trilogy after IX… Plus, not gonna lie, I’m going to tear up seeing it blown up or something in the next movie.

I don’t want to think of another trilogy afterwards right now.

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TavorX said:

Anyone think the Falcon should be destroyed in IX? I was kinda bummed even back in TFA that it lasted movie. And then it came back into action in TLJ. My reasoning is because it’s making excessive appearances and if it isn’t gone in IX, that leaves room for it to appear in yet another trilogy after IX… Plus, not gonna lie, I’m going to tear up seeing it blown up or something in the next movie.

Then you have to deal with who’s in the cockpit when it happens. They wouldn’t dare kill Chewie at this point.

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It doesn’t have to go down in flames or anything. It could be crashed beyond repair. Then Lando can arrive and say ‘what did you do to my ship?’. Lando and Wedge need to be like hanging out with Pruneface and Crix Madine as the fighters who come out of retirement after Leia’s distress call to take down uh… The Peace… Globe.

Lobot can come too.

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Has anybody checked out the latest issue of Star Wars Insider Magazine? They apparently dropped a major IX spoiler.

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I’m removing my previous posts and posting them here for sake of not spoiling anyone.

Can somebody help flesh out this FAN TREATMENT with me?

Star Wars Episode IX: Fall of the First Order

There is a time jump that allows the Rebellion to be built (so that the movie can start with war instead of something as boring as rebuilding and so, while still being a tense underdog battle, the heroes can win) and the New Jedi to be trained (so we can explore the New Jedi relationships with one another while still having adult actors). A romance between Rey and Ben begins through continued contact through the Force. Rey finds her parents.

Finn has a romance with Rose and encounters DJ. It is revealed to Poe that he killed Finn’s friend, the death that made Finn rebel from the First Order (watch TFA again, it seriously happens). From then on, he becomes much less violent. Ben Solo descends into madness. He begins to think of the First Order as something of the past, so he destroys it, killing Hux and the Knights of Ren. Out of the ashes of the First Order, he builds the weaker and incomplete Second Order and trains a new breed of dark side users, the Aryans.

Ben, because of Rey’s love for him, turns to the light side, but the Aryans turn on him. The New Jedi (including Rey and Ben) battle the Aryans and win. At the end of the movie, the war against Kylo Ren ends, the Republic is rebuilt, and finally, Rey and Ben have a child (to be the protagonist of Episode X). I have a problem: my treatment doesn’t tie the trilogies together.

EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

EDIT: It is revealed that the events involving the Jedi and Force of the sequel trilogy have all been the balancing of the Force as told by the Chosen One prophecy. The Jedi died so that they could be reborn as the new balanced Jedi, and then that so that new Jedi could vanquish the remnants of the unbalanced darker sides.

In Episode X/10, the enemies are not of the dark side but rather simply evil.

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Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

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TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

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Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

I’m not saying the stuff with Luke/Leia was bad, regarding the point of ROTS. I’m just saying it’s bad because of the fact how redundant it feels. PT conclusion is with the hope that Luke/Leia will end the Empire. OT conclusion is Luke/Leia bringing down the Empire. The ST conclusion with yet another birth of a kid or kids being done twice in a saga doesn’t sound exciting.

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TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

I’m not saying the stuff with Luke/Leia was bad, regarding the point of ROTS. I’m just saying it’s bad because of the fact how redundant it feels. PT conclusion is with the hope that Luke/Leia will end the Empire. OT conclusion is Luke/Leia bringing down the Empire. The ST conclusion with yet another birth of a kid or kids being done twice in a saga doesn’t sound exciting.

But having Rey’s child be born is necessary to keep Star Wars alive 30 years later.

EDIT: Not EVERYTHING has to be original. The Last Jedi has some stuff in common with Empire and Return, but it’s still an different and subversive movie thanks to all the new stuff it has.

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Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

I’m not saying the stuff with Luke/Leia was bad, regarding the point of ROTS. I’m just saying it’s bad because of the fact how redundant it feels. PT conclusion is with the hope that Luke/Leia will end the Empire. OT conclusion is Luke/Leia bringing down the Empire. The ST conclusion with yet another birth of a kid or kids being done twice in a saga doesn’t sound exciting.

But having Rey’s child be born is necessary to keep Star Wars alive 30 years later.

EDIT: Not EVERYTHING has to be original. The Last Jedi has some stuff in common with Empire and Return, but it’s still an different and subversive movie thanks to all the new stuff it has.

I still disagree, and I believe it goes against the ultimate theme behind TLJ which felt original enough; you don’t need to be related to some hero in order to be great. The new trilogy ending on Rey and whomever she hooks up with (if that’s even going to be a thing) kinda implies the hope of the galaxy to remain peaceful is going to because she had a child or children to ensure that. Instead, what I think they’re going for is that you simply need to inspire a new generation. That’s why there’s that shot of the broom kid at the end; the fate of the galaxy can now rest in the hands of the many, instead of the few. If you want, Rey forging a new Jedi Order can be that metaphorical birth of a child, and I’d say that’s way more powerful thematically than repeating a la twin siblings being the main heroes for future generations. It’s time for the galaxy at large to feel as though they matter and not have to rely on established heroes to save them. They can rise up and make difference, just as Rey did, having no ties to anyone special, and believing in a cause.

Just my take of course.

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TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

I’m not saying the stuff with Luke/Leia was bad, regarding the point of ROTS. I’m just saying it’s bad because of the fact how redundant it feels. PT conclusion is with the hope that Luke/Leia will end the Empire. OT conclusion is Luke/Leia bringing down the Empire. The ST conclusion with yet another birth of a kid or kids being done twice in a saga doesn’t sound exciting.

But having Rey’s child be born is necessary to keep Star Wars alive 30 years later.

EDIT: Not EVERYTHING has to be original. The Last Jedi has some stuff in common with Empire and Return, but it’s still an different and subversive movie thanks to all the new stuff it has.

I still disagree, and I believe it goes against the ultimate theme behind TLJ which felt original enough; you don’t need to be related to some hero in order to be great. The new trilogy ending on Rey and whomever she hooks up with (if that’s even going to be a thing) kinda implies the hope of the galaxy to remain peaceful is going to because she had a child or children to ensure that. Instead, what I think they’re going for is that you simply need to inspire a new generation. That’s why there’s that shot of the broom kid at the end; the fate of the galaxy can now rest in the hands of the many, instead of the few. If you want, Rey forging a new Jedi Order can be that metaphorical birth of a child, and I’d say that’s way more powerful thematically than repeating a la twin siblings being the main heroes for future generations. It’s time for the galaxy at large to feel as though they matter and not have to rely on established heroes to save them. They can rise up and make difference, just as Rey did, having no ties to anyone special, and believing in a cause.

Just my take of course.

This makes sense. OK, so instead of having Rey’s child as the protagonist, Rey’s child would be more of a side character the same way Kylo is one.

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SilverWook said:

Has anybody checked out the latest issue of Star Wars Insider Magazine? They apparently dropped a major IX spoiler.

Oh? What was it?