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dgraham414 said:

I remember Ben not being a Sith but I don’t remember anything that explicitly said the Sith were extinct. Maybe it’s a case of Ben wanting to use the name “Sith” to bring a Return of the Sith.

He said “The Sith, the Jedi, the Rebels, let it all die.” He doesn’t want anything to do with them. Palpatine was the last Sith Lord, considering that they have the Rule of Two. A Master and an Apprentice. Vader and Palpatine were the last. We’ll see what’ll happen in The Rise of Skywalker with good ol’ Sheev.

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Riiiiight… that line slipped my mind. Maybe they’re a hostile force to the First Order. Three factions? First Order led by Kylo, Resistance led by Leia, and the Sith led by Palpatine. Kylo and Rey team up to fight Palps. Hence Kylo might be redeemed in the eyes of the people but not the eyes of our main characters. A reversal of what happened to Vader where in the eyes of the characters he was redeemed but the galaxy still hated him for his atrocities. That would be interesting.

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Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

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SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

A long time ago…

The bullshit has infested most areas imo. News, entertainment…whatever.

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SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

Totally agree,toxicity everywhere but it won’t spoil my excitement and anticipation for so 9

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BB-Rey said:

SilverWook said:

But he looked more like his Force Phantom self in the TLJ flashbacks than he does here. Unless he’s interacting or guiding Rey through visions similar to what she had involuntarily in TFA? The possible wrinkle here is everyone percieves Luke as they last saw him?

That’s what Mike Zeroh said apparently. I don’t buy anything he says but hey!

I think it’s more just a mock up. Even The Last Jedi photography had Phasma without her helmet on. We only saw her eye in the final film. I don’t think these things are meant to be taken literally but do feed into story context in subtle ways. If that makes sense?

How can Seroh on have several scopes daily.it’s hilarious

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SWOTFAN25 said:

is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

Yep. its a constant fight to stay zen and relaxed if you spend anytime reading comments online.

It is too easy to broadcast meaningless thoughts these days.

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SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

I agree with you. In fact, I’m planning on unsubscribing from this thread when we get very close to the release of Episode IX to avoid both spoilers and hatred/complaining. I just want a fabulous experience with my favorite film franchise of all time.

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Legacyofajedi said:
Stunning,I can see Reylo defeating the Palpatine

That’s what I think will probably happen.

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SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

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DrDre said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

Honestly, that’s about Disney’s live-action remakes of their animated classics. I know that the reviews for their remake of The Lion King are coming out to be quite mixed, but save that for another topic/thread. This is about The Rise of Skywalker, which I can’t wait for. On top of all of that, I do have some thoughts on Galexy’s Edge which I may post in the thread for that at some point.

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nl0428 said:

DrDre said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

Honestly, that’s about Disney’s live-action remakes of their animated classics. I know that the reviews for their remake of The Lion King are coming out to be quite mixed, but save that for another topic/thread. This is about The Rise of Skywalker, which I can’t wait for. On top of all of that, I do have some thoughts on Galexy’s Edge which I may post in the thread for that at some point.

Actually it’s not imo. The ST thusfar has been a reimagining of the OT very much in the vein of Maleficent, or Alice in Wonderland. So, while it’s not a shot by shot remake like Lion King, I think it fits the nostalgia driven mold that Disney has created very well. Now that Palpatine appears to be back, it looks like in TROS we’re going to see the same evil defeated again in an Empire vs rebels scenario very similar to the OT with another fallen Jedi apprentice likely to redeem himself destroying old Palps. Now, I hope and expect there will be more new elements than in the previous two films, but it won’t alter the fact that the ST has thusfar followed a very similar trajectory as the OT, and thus my points stand.

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DrDre said:

nl0428 said:

DrDre said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

Honestly, that’s about Disney’s live-action remakes of their animated classics. I know that the reviews for their remake of The Lion King are coming out to be quite mixed, but save that for another topic/thread. This is about The Rise of Skywalker, which I can’t wait for. On top of all of that, I do have some thoughts on Galexy’s Edge which I may post in the thread for that at some point.

Actually it’s not imo. The ST thusfar has been a reimagining of the OT very much in the vein of Maleficent, or Alice in Wonderland. So, while it’s not a shot by shot remake like Lion King, I think it fits the nostalgia driven mold that Disney has created very well. Now that Palpatine appears to be back, it looks like in TROS we’re going to see the same evil defeated again in an Empire vs rebels scenario very similar to the OT with another fallen Jedi apprentice likely to redeem himself destroying old Palps. Now, I hope and expect there will be more new elements than in the previous two films, but it won’t alter the fact that the ST has thusfar followed a very similar trajectory as the OT, and thus my points stand.

We don’t necessarily know what will happen in The Rise of Skywalker. I am very excited to see it, and I do love the Sequel Trilogy. I loved The Force Awakens, and I thought The Last Jedi was fantastic. Star Wars has always been about parallels in its storytelling and how everything connects. It’s like what George Lucas said, “It’s like poetry, it rhymes.”

On a very quick side note about Disney’s live-action remakes, as much as I love Disney, I have gotten to the point where I want them to put an end and stop making remakes of their animated films.

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DrDre said:

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

DrDre thank you for being civilized with your opinions as usual. It makes me angry that not all Star Wars fans can appreciate the ST, and I blame the creators for that. But IMO I do think there is meaningful and valuable storytelling going on thus far. You think that it’s too easy to just blame the fans, I agree with you. But it’s also too easy to blame the “evil kathleen kennedy disney franchise ruining greedy empire” as so many fans have so obviously have stated. Everybody thinks they understand the whole picture. If you look at both directors that being JJ and Rian, from what I have gathered they REALLY do give a shit. I don’t think its fair AT ALL to say none of the new creative vision matters. You can choose to see them as the “evil corporation” ruining my star wars, or you can view it as a group of people who despite common belief were actually given creative freedom. (Or obviously somewhere in the middle) Dre we all know about the modern day remake machine in hollywood, and we know it has infected Disney. But I personally don’t think its fair to say the ST is just a modern remake cash grab. If you personally weren’t emotionally affected by the new stories being told then honestly I wish you were. Dre I know you don’t like the new story, my only hope is that you along with many other fans try giving the story ANOTHER chance. That’s what the movies are ultimately about and its the ONLY reason why they are valuable. Everyone needs to stop carrying in all this extra baggage to these movies which are supposed to bring everybody together (which I know people will find ignorant to say). But this is the last one. Is it too much to ask people for once to stop pointing fingers at each other, come together, and enjoy this classic we all love? None of us would be here on this site if we didn’t have the utmost respect and love for the franchise. My point is, THIS IS IT. The last time we will see these characters we love on screen. The final performance of Carrie Fischer. The end to the saga. The last installment that REALLY MATTERS as far as me or you is concerned. Whether people like it or not, I’m just happy we’ve all had a place to come and discuss this stuff after all these years. I love this site. If anyone has read this far thanks for listening. Peace.

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SWOTFAN25 said:

DrDre said:

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

DrDre thank you for being civilized with your opinions as usual. It makes me angry that not all Star Wars fans can appreciate the ST, and I blame the creators for that. But IMO I do think there is meaningful and valuable storytelling going on thus far. You think that it’s too easy to just blame the fans, I agree with you. But it’s also too easy to blame the “evil kathleen kennedy disney franchise ruining greedy empire” as so many fans have so obviously have stated. Everybody thinks they understand the whole picture. If you look at both directors that being JJ and Rian, from what I have gathered they REALLY do give a shit. I don’t think its fair AT ALL to say none of the new creative vision matters. You can choose to see them as the “evil corporation” ruining my star wars, or you can view it as a group of people who despite common belief were actually given creative freedom. (Or obviously somewhere in the middle) Dre we all know about the modern day remake machine in hollywood, and we know it has infected Disney. But I personally don’t think its fair to say the ST is just a modern remake cash grab. If you personally weren’t emotionally affected by the new stories being told then honestly I wish you were. Dre I know you don’t like the new story, my only hope is that you along with many other fans try giving the story ANOTHER chance. That’s what the movies are ultimately about and its the ONLY reason why they are valuable. Everyone needs to stop carrying in all this extra baggage to these movies which are supposed to bring everybody together (which I know people will find ignorant to say). But this is the last one. Is it too much to ask people for once to stop pointing fingers at each other, come together, and enjoy this classic we all love? None of us would be here on this site if we didn’t have the utmost respect and love for the franchise. My point is, THIS IS IT. The last time we will see these characters we love on screen. The final performance of Carrie Fischer. The end to the saga. The last installment that REALLY MATTERS as far as me or you is concerned. Whether people like it or not, I’m just happy we’ve all had a place to come and discuss this stuff after all these years. I love this site. If anyone has read this far thanks for listening. Peace.

Thanks for your well thought out, and well written post. I don’t think the ST is just a cash grab. There’s inspired stuff and creativity in there, and overall I’m happy this generation can have their Star Wars. I’m cautiously optimistic about episode IX. I’m not expecting it to be the second coming, but an entertaining film nonetheless, and I guess after 40 years of history, that’s not a bad way to end the Skywalker saga.

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DrDre said:

I’m cautiously optimistic about episode IX. I’m not expecting it to be the second coming, but an entertaining film nonetheless, and I guess after 40 years of history, that’s not a bad way to end the Skywalker saga.

Makes me think Return of the Jedi, or Revenge of the Sith, now Rise of Skywalker going through the ringer. I accept that the last bite at the apple in each instance gives equal rise to high criticism as well as a sense of hey let’s all get along and have a good “last” ride. I don’t think either reaction is wrong, even feeling both at the same time. After reading about the differences between what Lucas, Kasdan and Gary Kurtz wanted for RotJ, a fan can still appreciate the fun of their childhood favorite while dreaming of what might have been.

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DrDre said:

I’m cautiously optimistic about episode IX. I’m not expecting it to be the second coming, but an entertaining film nonetheless, and I guess after 40 years of history, that’s not a bad way to end the Skywalker saga.

Makes me think Return of the Jedi, or Revenge of the Sith, now Rise of Skywalker going through the ringer. I accept that the last bite at the apple in each instance gives equal rise to high criticism as well as a sense of hey let’s all get along and have a good “last” ride. I don’t think either reaction is wrong, even feeling both at the same time. After reading about the differences between what Lucas, Kasdan and Gary Kurtz wanted for RotJ, a fan can still appreciate the fun of their childhood favorite while dreaming of what might have been.

The real difference is that those other examples (ROTJ and ROTS) were actually completing a story. While the OT was obviously written on the fly, it still had questions to be answered (Han’s fate, the truth of Luke’s parentage, who was the ‘other’ etc etc), and ROTS had to document the fall of the Republic and the details of Anakin’s transformation into Darth Vader.

In this instance there’s no story. Abrams planted his ‘mystery boxes’ for the sheer heck of it and then left Rian to do whatever the hell he wanted (which he clearly did). By his own admission JJ went into episode 9 thinking “well, I’d better come up with a story…”

I’m not saying it won’t work - I’m really hoping it will - but the fact that these people didn’t think to at least write some kind of overall plot absolutely baffles me…

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I mean, there’s also the matter of George saying rather definitively, circa RotS’ release, that I-VI is all there is, only to completely walk that back when he realized doing a sequel trilogy was the best way to keep the franchise going after the live action tv series never got off the ground.

So I don’t really know who’s to blame.

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In this instance there’s no story. Abrams planted his ‘mystery boxes’ for the sheer heck of it and then left Rian to do whatever the hell he wanted (which he clearly did). By his own admission JJ went into episode 9 thinking “well, I’d better come up with a story…”

I’m not saying it won’t work - I’m really hoping it will - but the fact that these people didn’t think to at least write some kind of overall plot absolutely baffles me…

If you’d done your homework you would know that there has been a story/overarching plot that has been planned. However they have given each film the chance to change things for the sake of creative freedom. This is common knowledge idk where you get your facts. Look up interviews with Adam Driver and “Antichrist” Kennedy.

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Shopping Maul said:

In this instance there’s no story. Abrams planted his ‘mystery boxes’ for the sheer heck of it and then left Rian to do whatever the hell he wanted (which he clearly did). By his own admission JJ went into episode 9 thinking “well, I’d better come up with a story…”

I’m not saying it won’t work - I’m really hoping it will - but the fact that these people didn’t think to at least write some kind of overall plot absolutely baffles me…

If you’d done your homework you would know that there has been a story/overarching plot that has been planned. However they have given each film the chance to change things for the sake of creative freedom. This is common knowledge idk where you get your facts. Look up interviews with Adam Driver and “Antichrist” Kennedy.

Okay, let’s not give anyone at Lucasfilm provocative nicknames. That doesn’t help at all.

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What’s really interesting is with Gareth Edwards and Lord/Miller, Disney really went down their throats. They had numerous reshoots because they were disappointed with the director’s vision.

With J.J. it was less obvious, but they surrounded him with so much “protection”- teaming him up with Kasdan, and constantly mentioning how they were trying to return to the OT as a subtle jab at the PT’s wackiness.

But here comes Rian Johnson, and Disney absolutely loves him. All through the documentaries for TLJ Kennedy goes on and on about Rian is perfect for the job and his vision is perfect for Star Wars. It’s bittersweet knowing what’s going to happen. One thing we can all agree on is TLJ was the most divise of the Disney SW movies- so it is surprising for the one where they have Rian the most creative freedom to be the one it turns out was most deserving of reshoots (to play it safe).

I know we’ve heard they planned the trilogy out, but TFA and TLJ really don’t play well with each other. TLJ feels like it is making a statement, for better or worse, that the derivative elements of TFA need to go. Maybe on paper that sounded good but in practice it really feels like Rian is changing all of J.J.’s plan. Hence why 9 seems more like a one-off movie (bringing back Palpatine) rather than a conclusion to a trilogy.

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OutboundFlight said:

What’s really interesting is with Gareth Edwards and Lord/Miller, Disney really went down their throats. They had numerous reshoots because they were disappointed with the director’s vision.

With J.J. it was less obvious, but they surrounded him with so much “protection”- teaming him up with Kasdan, and constantly mentioning how they were trying to return to the OT as a subtle jab at the PT’s wackiness.

But here comes Rian Johnson, and Disney absolutely loves him. All through the documentaries for TLJ Kennedy goes on and on about Rian is perfect for the job and his vision is perfect for Star Wars. It’s bittersweet knowing what’s going to happen. One thing we can all agree on is TLJ was the most divise of the Disney SW movies- so it is surprising for the one where they have Rian the most creative freedom to be the one it turns out was most deserving of reshoots (to play it safe).

I know we’ve heard they planned the trilogy out, but TFA and TLJ really don’t play well with each other. TLJ feels like it is making a statement, for better or worse, that the derivative elements of TFA need to go. Maybe on paper that sounded good but in practice it really feels like Rian is changing all of J.J.’s plan. Hence why 9 seems more like a one-off movie (bringing back Palpatine) rather than a conclusion to a trilogy.

I still believe VII and VIII play very well together. It feels like the same story, just two different visionary minds, but that feeling is still there, we’re just experiencing new tones and emotions with the characters and story.

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SWOTFAN25 said:

Shopping Maul said:

In this instance there’s no story. Abrams planted his ‘mystery boxes’ for the sheer heck of it and then left Rian to do whatever the hell he wanted (which he clearly did). By his own admission JJ went into episode 9 thinking “well, I’d better come up with a story…”

I’m not saying it won’t work - I’m really hoping it will - but the fact that these people didn’t think to at least write some kind of overall plot absolutely baffles me…

If you’d done your homework you would know that there has been a story/overarching plot that has been planned. However they have given each film the chance to change things for the sake of creative freedom. This is common knowledge idk where you get your facts. Look up interviews with Adam Driver and “Antichrist” Kennedy.

I have seen recent articles that make this claim - particularly in reference to Kylo Ren. This gives me hope - the idea that at least one aspect of this trilogy has had some thought behind it is encouraging. To me it feels more like a ‘Lucas claim’ - George would say he had things ‘planned’ when what he really meant was that certain ideas may have had a vague basis in earlier drafts. TLJ was famously done on a clean slate, and it showed. The fact that Abrams is supposedly returning to some of his earlier notions feels less like a continuation of a solid vision and more like an attempt to do damage control. I honestly hope I’m wrong.

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SilverWook said:

Okay, let’s not give anyone at Lucasfilm provocative nicknames. That doesn’t help at all.

It was satire lol.