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DuracellEnergizer said:

pleasehello said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Yet the film has all the Skywalkers killed off and the descendant of Space Hitler™ (whose return ruins the meaning of Anakin’s sacrifice, by the way) taking on the surname of Skywalker at the end. Also, General Hux is redeemed (which ruins his entire character even more), Anakin’s lightsaber and Kylo’s helmet are fixed (which ruins the meanings of their destructions in The Last Jedi), there’s the “fake-out death” cliché, there’s a character who only exists just for a reveal that she is Lando’s long-lost daughter, etc.

Well, Leia dying is probably going to be the biggest missed opportunity of this film, but I don’t know how that’s a valid criticism considering real life events.

Perhaps once Carrie Fisher passed, the powers-that-be should’ve just, y’know, re-edited TLJ so that Leia was the one who died and Luke survived.

Their options were either to rewrite and reshoot half of The Last Jedi which was almost in the can at that point or to rewrite Ep. IX which was still in pre-production. Practically, financially and artistically I’d say they made the right call.

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Not to mention jettisoning half of Carrie’s final (and wonderful) performance.

Worlds serve stories, and once the story is told the world goes away. To set something else in the same world is merely to craft a similar world for a new story.

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https://twitter.com/RichardEGrant/status/1202114990209032192:-

‘Just seen the 1st cast screening of @starwars #THE RISE OF SKYWALKER. What it achieves, weaves & resolves, is a total emotional meltdown & resurrection of the Spirit. Bravo to @jjabrams & his astonishing cast & creative crew 💥🚀💥🚀💥🚀💥🚀💥🚀💥🚀’

with quite a happy & also emotional video in the link above (no spoilers in it)
 

originaltrilogy.com Moderator

I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney bought Lucasfilm.

I’m not aware of Disney demanding there be more force powers in the Sequel Films like there were in the PR and OT - could you provide a link to the article where you saw this?

originaltrilogy.com Moderator

I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney got involved.

Yes indeed…and not to the benefit of the franchise. The Force has been far too powerful since ESB.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney got involved.

Yes indeed…and not to the benefit of the franchise. The Force has been far too powerful since ESB.

So really your post was just another excuse to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

originaltrilogy.com Moderator

I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney got involved.

Yes indeed…and not to the benefit of the franchise. The Force has been far too powerful since ESB.

So really your post was just another excuse to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

An excuse? No. A reason? Yes.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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Perhaps the Sequel Sequel Trilogy will introduce planet-sized ysalamiri and balance will finally, truly be brought to Force.

“If you err it is not for me to punish you. We are punished by our sins not for them.”

— Elbert Hubbard

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Perhaps the Sequel Sequel Trilogy will introduce planet-sized ysalamiri and balance will finally, truly be brought to Force.

Lol. At this point Duracell…why not, eh?

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney got involved.

Yes indeed…and not to the benefit of the franchise. The Force has been far too powerful since ESB.

So really your post was just another excuse to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

An excuse? No. A reason? Yes.

So really your post was just another ‘reason’ to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

Fixed for you.

originaltrilogy.com Moderator

I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney got involved.

Yes indeed…and not to the benefit of the franchise. The Force has been far too powerful since ESB.

So really your post was just another excuse to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

An excuse? No. A reason? Yes.

So really your post was just another ‘reason’ to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

Fixed for you.

If Disney chooses not to correct what I perceive as flaws in the conception of the Star Wars Universe, flaws that I consider diminish both a suspension of disbelief and a shrinking of potential storylines, then I am comfortable with my “bashing”. The Force needs to be toned down in power so that our heroes seem vulnerable. Disney will not do this because SW has become all about wish fulfillment fantasies of children and teenagers - or those with the equivalent mindset. No offence intended to you personally.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney got involved.

Yes indeed…and not to the benefit of the franchise. The Force has been far too powerful since ESB.

So really your post was just another excuse to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

An excuse? No. A reason? Yes.

So really your post was just another ‘reason’ to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

Fixed for you.

If Disney chooses not to correct what I perceive as flaws in the conception of the Star Wars Universe, flaws that I consider diminish both a suspension of disbelief and a shrinking of potential storylines, then I am comfortable with my “bashing”. The Force needs to be toned down in power so that our heroes seem vulnerable. Disney will not do this because SW has become all about wish fulfillment fantasies of children and teenagers - or those with the equivalent mindset. No offence intended to you personally.

A shame you didn’t just write the above in your opening post on the issue instead of the irrelevant and somewhat nonsensical dig at Disney you initially posted.

Star Wars has always tried to appeal to wish fulfillment fantasies of the young - and much more besides. I imagine that’s a considerable reason why many have became fans.

No offence taken.

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney got involved.

Yes indeed…and not to the benefit of the franchise. The Force has been far too powerful since ESB.

So really your post was just another excuse to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

An excuse? No. A reason? Yes.

So really your post was just another ‘reason’ to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

Fixed for you.

If Disney chooses not to correct what I perceive as flaws in the conception of the Star Wars Universe, flaws that I consider diminish both a suspension of disbelief and a shrinking of potential storylines, then I am comfortable with my “bashing”. The Force needs to be toned down in power so that our heroes seem vulnerable. Disney will not do this because SW has become all about wish fulfillment fantasies of children and teenagers - or those with the equivalent mindset. No offence intended to you personally.

A shame you didn’t just write the above in your opening post on the issue instead of the irrelevant and somewhat nonsensical dig at Disney you initially posted.

Star Wars has always tried to appeal to wish fulfillment fantasies of the young - and much more besides. I imagine that’s a considerable reason why many have became fans.

No offence taken.

A fair response, but look at the difference between Luke and Rey. In SW77 Luke loses his family, his mentor, and his best friend. So he gains “power”, like all children and teens wish, BUT AT A GREAT COST. Rey loses nothing (except respect for Luke Skywalker). Perhaps there is a thread of something in TLJ - she loses a belief that she is anyone special, right? But wait, she is super awesome with the force, so she actually is something special afterall. Huh? What?

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney got involved.

Yes indeed…and not to the benefit of the franchise. The Force has been far too powerful since ESB.

So really your post was just another excuse to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

An excuse? No. A reason? Yes.

So really your post was just another ‘reason’ to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

Fixed for you.

If Disney chooses not to correct what I perceive as flaws in the conception of the Star Wars Universe, flaws that I consider diminish both a suspension of disbelief and a shrinking of potential storylines, then I am comfortable with my “bashing”. The Force needs to be toned down in power so that our heroes seem vulnerable. Disney will not do this because SW has become all about wish fulfillment fantasies of children and teenagers - or those with the equivalent mindset. No offence intended to you personally.

A shame you didn’t just write the above in your opening post on the issue instead of the irrelevant and somewhat nonsensical dig at Disney you initially posted.

Star Wars has always tried to appeal to wish fulfillment fantasies of the young - and much more besides. I imagine that’s a considerable reason why many have became fans.

No offence taken.

A fair response, but look at the difference between Luke and Rey. In SW77 Luke loses his family, his mentor, and his best friend. So he gains “power”, like all children and teens wish, BUT AT A GREAT COST. Rey loses nothing (except respect for Luke Skywalker). Perhaps there is a thread of something in TLJ - she loses a belief that she is anyone special, right? But wait, she is super awesome with the force, so she actually is something special afterall. Huh? What?

Luke wants to learn about the ways of The Force - in part because his revered father did, he had nothing left on Tatooine after his family is killed - and in part because of the call to adventure.

Rey comes from nothing (apparently) - no family, no mentor, no friends - and no wish to have these powers within her that have awakened (in TFA). She wants to wait on Jakku for her ‘family’ to return to her. In fact she runs away from the call to adventure and the situation it has led her to (upon Luke’s lightsabre calling to her) and responsibilities that will entail - plus weight of them too.
 

The ‘super awesome with the force’ trope is something I just don’t see in Rey and what has occurred onscreen.

For me if she were ‘super awesome with the force’…

she would not have been so easily captured by Kylo upon her running away, needed to read to Kylo’s mind during her interrogation to learn some of these powers (or the mind-trick at least), nor lost the later fight vs Kylo before ‘letting the Force in’, Snoke wouldn’t be throwing her around like a ragdoll in his throneroom, nor have to have relied on Kylo betraying and killing Snoke to save her from execution, and she would not have needed to team up with Kylo to defeat the Imperial Guards after killing Snoke - something she struggled with during the fight. Pulling that 'sabre from Kylo wouldn’t be much of a problem either.

Her knowledge and understanding of The Force would also be better than it was in TLJ (and Luke training her and having to even explain the basics - ‘everything she just said was wrong’, y’know… 😉) - which again was far from ‘super awesome with the force’.

It would have been Rey who would have been her that saved the Resistance on Crait with her ‘super awesome with the force’ abilities to save or even defeat the FO - and not Luke sacrificing himself to buy them just enough time to escape with their lives to live another day…

Seems obvious to me Rey had total respect for Luke Skywalker - frustrated and confused why he wouldn’t leave the island and join her in the fight - sure. Yet full on respect for Luke is there - maybe viewing the end scenes of TLJ again will underline this.
 

As I’ve said before, this trilogy is incomplete… and we may well yet receive an explanation (or more understanding) of how Rey came to have that ‘Something inside me has always been there, but now it’s awake and I need help’, the dreams of familiar places etc, in TROS.
 

But Rey being ‘super awesome with the force’? No, that just hasn’t happened for me. YMMV.

 

Anyway, this is not a place to rehash previous circular and oft-repeated debates that have taken place in the TFA/TLJ or more relevant character threads etc - this thread is for discussing Episode IX itself; so let’s get back on topic.

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

We need less Force powers, not more. Disney is clueless.

Showing various type of force powers through the Star Wars films has occurred before Disney got involved.

Yes indeed…and not to the benefit of the franchise. The Force has been far too powerful since ESB.

So really your post was just another excuse to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

An excuse? No. A reason? Yes.

So really your post was just another ‘reason’ to bash on Disney for something that you had issues with… long before Disney actually got involved with making Star Wars films.

Fixed for you.

If Disney chooses not to correct what I perceive as flaws in the conception of the Star Wars Universe, flaws that I consider diminish both a suspension of disbelief and a shrinking of potential storylines, then I am comfortable with my “bashing”. The Force needs to be toned down in power so that our heroes seem vulnerable. Disney will not do this because SW has become all about wish fulfillment fantasies of children and teenagers - or those with the equivalent mindset. No offence intended to you personally.

A shame you didn’t just write the above in your opening post on the issue instead of the irrelevant and somewhat nonsensical dig at Disney you initially posted.

Star Wars has always tried to appeal to wish fulfillment fantasies of the young - and much more besides. I imagine that’s a considerable reason why many have became fans.

No offence taken.

A fair response, but look at the difference between Luke and Rey. In SW77 Luke loses his family, his mentor, and his best friend. So he gains “power”, like all children and teens wish, BUT AT A GREAT COST. Rey loses nothing (except respect for Luke Skywalker). Perhaps there is a thread of something in TLJ - she loses a belief that she is anyone special, right? But wait, she is super awesome with the force, so she actually is something special afterall. Huh? What?

Luke wants to learn about the ways of The Force - in part because his revered father did, he had nothing left on Tatooine after his family is killed - and in part because of the call to adventure.

Rey comes from nothing (apparently) - no family, no mentor, no friends - and no wish to have these powers within her that have awakened (in TFA). She wants to wait on Jakku for her ‘family’ to return to her. In fact she runs away from the call to adventure and the situation it has led her to (upon Luke’s lightsabre calling to her) and responsibilities that will entail - plus weight of them too.
 

The ‘super awesome with the force’ trope is something I just don’t see in Rey and what has occurred onscreen.

For me if she were ‘super awesome with the force’…

she would not have been so easily captured by Kylo upon her running away, needed to read to Kylo’s mind during her interrogation to learn some of these powers (or the mind-trick at least), nor lost the later fight vs Kylo before ‘letting the Force in’, Snoke wouldn’t be throwing her around like a ragdoll in his throneroom, nor have to have relied on Kylo betraying and killing Snoke to save her from execution, and she would not have needed to team up with Kylo to defeat the Imperial Guards after killing Snoke - something she struggled with during the fight. Pulling that 'sabre from Kylo wouldn’t be much of a problem either.

Her knowledge and understanding of The Force would also be better than it was in TLJ (and Luke training her and having to even explain the basics - ‘everything she just said was wrong’, y’know… 😉) - which again was far from ‘super awesome with the force’.

It would have been Rey who would have been her that saved the Resistance on Crait with her ‘super awesome with the force’ abilities to save or even defeat the FO - and not Luke sacrificing himself to buy them just enough time to escape with their lives to live another day…

Seems obvious to me Rey had total respect for Luke Skywalker - frustrated and confused why he wouldn’t leave the island and join her in the fight - sure. Yet full on respect for Luke is there - maybe viewing the end scenes of TLJ again will underline this.
 

As I’ve said before, this trilogy is incomplete… and we may well yet receive an explanation (or more understanding) of how Rey came to have that ‘Something inside me has always been there, but now it’s awake and I need help’, the dreams of familiar places etc, in TROS.
 

But Rey being ‘super awesome with the force’? No, that just hasn’t happened for me. YMMV.

 

Anyway, this is not a place to rehash previous circular and oft-repeated debates that have taken place in the TFA/TLJ or more relevant character threads etc - this thread is for discussing Episode IX itself; so let’s get back on topic.

We shall agree to (sort of) disagree and move on.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

In regards to “new” Force powers, I wonder if it’s implied new as in never seen in the films before, or new as in never seen in the films and the EU?
I can almost picture Rey using Battle Meditation during the climatic final act. The heroes feel like they’re losing, but Rey is able to give everyone a spiritual advantage that elevates them to victory. Seems far fetched.
Somewhat confused by the article because it’s saying Rey leaping with the Force is supposed to be new… but even Obi-Wan leapt with the Force to slice Maul in half, so…

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TavorX said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

In regards to “new” Force powers, I wonder if it’s implied new as in never seen in the films before, or new as in never seen in the films and the EU?
I can almost picture Rey using Battle Meditation during the climatic final act. The heroes feel like they’re losing, but Rey is able to give everyone a spiritual advantage that elevates them to victory. Seems far fetched.
Somewhat confused by the article because it’s saying Rey leaping with the Force is supposed to be new… but even Obi-Wan leapt with the Force to slice Maul in half, so…

I’m looking forward to Force Hornyness.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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No no, TLJ already introduced that with shirtless Ben Swolo. Far from perfecting it, but perhaps fully operational in TROS.

The Rise of Failures

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TavorX said:

No no, TLJ already introduced that with shirtless Ben Swolo. Far from perfecting it, but perhaps fully operational in TROS.

I found his lack of definition disturbing.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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pleasehello said:

oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

“The Force is not a power you have.” -Luke Skywalker

I guess he’s dead now though, so to hell with that.

No worries mate - though I don’t think the title editors at Vanity Fair have more knowledge of The Force than Luke 😉
 

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Press Conference’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHq7VOwFWlY - at the Star Wars Unity youtube channel; 37 mins, from 4th December
 

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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Ugh - Jason Ward, MSW and the supposed leaks… 😃

‘Star Wars: Colin Trevorrow Debunks Alleged Rey Origin Story in Rise of Skywalker’:-

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2019/12/05/star-wars-rise-skywalker-spoilers-rey-origin-story-debunked-colin-trevorrow

 

I remember Jason Ward from the MF.com way back - If I remember correctly he got found out pretending to be a female fan in a bid try and lure gullible male fans to his site? (or did get one of his wives to do it for him? I can’t remember!)

He would gladly bash on Star Wars fans (“I hate them with a passion”) and attempt to start feuds with other sites to stir up drama and get clicks and people to visit his site. Was this place one? Or with a few people connected on here back then?

Jedit - From MF.com: http://millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2015&t=9605

 

Now it appears he may be getting desperate and trying to get as many hits and revenues as he can before TROS comes out in a couple of weeks and his traffic dwindles - even contradicting himself from day to day in his new articles and ‘leaks’, according to some.

I’m quite surprised some members on here have taken him at his word. Sure, he may have obtained or got sent the leaks from the trailers and tv spots some time ago, and filled in some gaps from the books and obvious story links… but anything else? Clickbait. A Supershadow type for the modern internet - for me, anyway.
 

Please delete or edit if I have gone a little too far mods 😃

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