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TavorX said:

regularjoe said:
All this talk of sidelining OT characters, do you think these people are going to live forever and keep reprising these roles?

If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.

I was totally on board with Rey, for example. Very excited in fact. But just because I initially liked her character in TFA doesn’t automatically mean I’m happy with how they handled her and basically every character in this ST thus far. Who knows, maybe TROS will magically make me appreciate what they’ve been trying to do all along, but seems highly unlikely. It’s not so much having to make “peace” with the new stuff, I’m all for new stuff. It’s more so that in a lot of our eyes, they are squandering both old and new characters. Thus it all falls apart.

Ridley brought some nice spirit to Rey. She is pretty in an unconventional way too. Those scenes on Jaku showing her typical monotonous/pointless day were my favourite scenes of the TFA, and they show the potential in her as an actor and JJ as a Director…but it has all been squandered away I fear in the name of Girl Power and $$$$.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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Daisy Ridley is probably the worst actress of her generation. It’s almost impossible for me to rewatch TFA since she’s incredibly bad in it. And if I judge by the trailer of Episode 6 remake, she’s still quite terrible… and her character is equally uninteresting. I still don’t get why Finn wasn’t the “hero” of this ST.

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MalàStrana said:

Daisy Ridley is probably the worst actress of her generation.

I was going to make a joke about getting someone with real acting chops like Emilia Clarke but then I remembered she is in a SW movie. There are many worse female leads out there so I don’t see what you mean, beyond the standard hyperbole.

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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker | “Fate” TV Spot’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qphC39PJf4 at the Star Wars youtube channel; 30 seconds long, with some new footage.
 

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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That TV spot reminded me that I’m actually looking forward to Rey vs Kylo for one of the main highlights of the film. At least to see an evolution from the jab and stab duel in TFA to a more focused duel between them.

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Mocata said:

MalàStrana said:

Daisy Ridley is probably the worst actress of her generation.

I was going to make a joke about getting someone with real acting chops like Emilia Clarke but then I remembered she is in a SW movie. There are many worse female leads out there so I don’t see what you mean, beyond the standard hyperbole.

Nah, Mala’s right. We needed an actress of Megan Fox’s calibre to play Rey.

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Megan+Fox+Calibre.

One of these words does not belong with the others.

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Completely off-topic, but: For what it’s worth, she’s really good in Jennifer’s Body. I think Megan Fox’s career got sort of derailed very early precisely because a lot of people in the industry wrote her off as nothing more than eye-candy, because Michael Bay is sort of an inherently disrespectful sort of guy and he basically put her on the map that way.

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I find the acting on the latest movies OK to good. There are problems with script, dialog and directing, but not with the acting itself. I expect the same from TROS. If it’s bad it won’t be because of the actors.

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“They fly now!”

TPM ROTJ ESB TFA TLJ TROS ROTS ANH SOLO RO ATOC

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DuracellEnergizer said:

RogueLeader said:

In all seriousness, what would you change about ROTJ if you could? I like hearing your perspective!

  • Remove the Death Star II, or make the Death Star II a ruse to lure the Rebels into a trap.
  • Retool the entire Jabba sequence. Jabba’s palace would’ve be on a planet other than Tatooine; Leia would gift the droids to Jabba; Lando would free Han from the carbonite and get captured in the process; then Leia would arrive in person and successfully barter for Han & co’s freedom. Everything else would be cut.
  • Luke would be on Dagobah, where he’d have been since the events of TESB, finishing his training under Yoda. He wouldn’t have a new lightsaber at this point.
  • Leia would be “the other”, as powerful in the Force as Luke, but not his sister.
  • Han would have some actual dignity. Instead of delivering dumb slapstick and one-liners, his relationship with Leia would continue to evolve.
  • The Ewoks would be scary. They’d be pygmy versions of the original Chewbacca design, with oversized eyes and sharp fangs. They’d wear clothing made from human skin, and gruesome sculptures made of Imperial armour and human bones would decorate their village.
  • Palpatine would not be a cackling Saturday morning cartoon supervillain. He’d be as he was portrayed by Clive Revill — resonant but understated.
  • There’d be deeper exploration into Vader’s motivations and psyche. It would be made clear that Vader was a good man who joined Palpatine under false pretenses and became his puppet, and now wishes his son to join him in the dark side so together they can depose Palpatine and transform the Empire into the strong but benevolent power he always wanted it to be.
  • It would be revealed that Vader kept Ben’s lightsaber as a trophy, and he would show it to Luke on Endor.
  • Palpatine’s finest troops would actually live up to that descriptor. For once, we’d have stormtroopers with effective armour who can actually hit what they fire at.
  • Palpatine would make a strong case for why Luke should turn to the dark side — power not for power’s sake, which Luke doesn’t crave, but to right wrongs, avenge evil, and protect his loved ones.
  • During their duel, Luke and Vader would end up swapping lightsabers; Luke, with Vader’s red lightsaber, would face Vader, with Ben’s blue lightsaber.
  • Han would die in the battle on Endor.
  • Vader would succumb quicker to his injuries after killing Palpatine. He would die without his true face ever being revealed.
  • Luke would dismantle Ben and Vader’s lightsabers and craft his own from their components. This lightsaber would be purple.
  • No Force ghosts at the end. Whether or not Anakin atoned for his sins by saving Luke would be left up to the viewer to decide for themself.

I wouldn’t make Leia a Force-sensitive at all. Why, you may ask? It renders the entire quest to find Luke in The Force Awakens completely pointless from the start, especially in The Last Jedi, where it is revealed that she’s suddenly this powerful Force-user who flies back to the ship upon being blown out into space.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

RogueLeader said:

In all seriousness, what would you change about ROTJ if you could? I like hearing your perspective!

  • Remove the Death Star II, or make the Death Star II a ruse to lure the Rebels into a trap.
  • Retool the entire Jabba sequence. Jabba’s palace would’ve be on a planet other than Tatooine; Leia would gift the droids to Jabba; Lando would free Han from the carbonite and get captured in the process; then Leia would arrive in person and successfully barter for Han & co’s freedom. Everything else would be cut.
  • Luke would be on Dagobah, where he’d have been since the events of TESB, finishing his training under Yoda. He wouldn’t have a new lightsaber at this point.
  • Leia would be “the other”, as powerful in the Force as Luke, but not his sister.
  • Han would have some actual dignity. Instead of delivering dumb slapstick and one-liners, his relationship with Leia would continue to evolve.
  • The Ewoks would be scary. They’d be pygmy versions of the original Chewbacca design, with oversized eyes and sharp fangs. They’d wear clothing made from human skin, and gruesome sculptures made of Imperial armour and human bones would decorate their village.
  • Palpatine would not be a cackling Saturday morning cartoon supervillain. He’d be as he was portrayed by Clive Revill — resonant but understated.
  • There’d be deeper exploration into Vader’s motivations and psyche. It would be made clear that Vader was a good man who joined Palpatine under false pretenses and became his puppet, and now wishes his son to join him in the dark side so together they can depose Palpatine and transform the Empire into the strong but benevolent power he always wanted it to be.
  • It would be revealed that Vader kept Ben’s lightsaber as a trophy, and he would show it to Luke on Endor.
  • Palpatine’s finest troops would actually live up to that descriptor. For once, we’d have stormtroopers with effective armour who can actually hit what they fire at.
  • Palpatine would make a strong case for why Luke should turn to the dark side — power not for power’s sake, which Luke doesn’t crave, but to right wrongs, avenge evil, and protect his loved ones.
  • During their duel, Luke and Vader would end up swapping lightsabers; Luke, with Vader’s red lightsaber, would face Vader, with Ben’s blue lightsaber.
  • Han would die in the battle on Endor.
  • Vader would succumb quicker to his injuries after killing Palpatine. He would die without his true face ever being revealed.
  • Luke would dismantle Ben and Vader’s lightsabers and craft his own from their components. This lightsaber would be purple.
  • No Force ghosts at the end. Whether or not Anakin atoned for his sins by saving Luke would be left up to the viewer to decide for themself.

I wouldn’t make Leia a Force-sensitive at all. Why, you may ask? It renders the entire quest to find Luke in The Force Awakens completely pointless from the start, especially in The Last Jedi, where it is revealed that she’s suddenly this powerful Force-user who flies back to the ship upon being blown out into space.

There’s an implication in TLJ that the display of her force powers to save her own life was either subconscious or unconscious, with no indication that she actually has any control of those powers (she never uses them again). Plus flying in space takes very little effort. I think it’s an awkwardly executed scene, but I also think the idea that it invalidates the quest to find Luke is a little silly.

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dgraham414 said:

“They fly now!”

I couldn’t help but laugh at that clip. It came off as total schlock. I’m trying to embrace it.

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I was kind of hoping Finn would be like, “Why did I never get a jetpack?”

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pleasehello said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

RogueLeader said:

In all seriousness, what would you change about ROTJ if you could? I like hearing your perspective!

  • Remove the Death Star II, or make the Death Star II a ruse to lure the Rebels into a trap.
  • Retool the entire Jabba sequence. Jabba’s palace would’ve be on a planet other than Tatooine; Leia would gift the droids to Jabba; Lando would free Han from the carbonite and get captured in the process; then Leia would arrive in person and successfully barter for Han & co’s freedom. Everything else would be cut.
  • Luke would be on Dagobah, where he’d have been since the events of TESB, finishing his training under Yoda. He wouldn’t have a new lightsaber at this point.
  • Leia would be “the other”, as powerful in the Force as Luke, but not his sister.
  • Han would have some actual dignity. Instead of delivering dumb slapstick and one-liners, his relationship with Leia would continue to evolve.
  • The Ewoks would be scary. They’d be pygmy versions of the original Chewbacca design, with oversized eyes and sharp fangs. They’d wear clothing made from human skin, and gruesome sculptures made of Imperial armour and human bones would decorate their village.
  • Palpatine would not be a cackling Saturday morning cartoon supervillain. He’d be as he was portrayed by Clive Revill — resonant but understated.
  • There’d be deeper exploration into Vader’s motivations and psyche. It would be made clear that Vader was a good man who joined Palpatine under false pretenses and became his puppet, and now wishes his son to join him in the dark side so together they can depose Palpatine and transform the Empire into the strong but benevolent power he always wanted it to be.
  • It would be revealed that Vader kept Ben’s lightsaber as a trophy, and he would show it to Luke on Endor.
  • Palpatine’s finest troops would actually live up to that descriptor. For once, we’d have stormtroopers with effective armour who can actually hit what they fire at.
  • Palpatine would make a strong case for why Luke should turn to the dark side — power not for power’s sake, which Luke doesn’t crave, but to right wrongs, avenge evil, and protect his loved ones.
  • During their duel, Luke and Vader would end up swapping lightsabers; Luke, with Vader’s red lightsaber, would face Vader, with Ben’s blue lightsaber.
  • Han would die in the battle on Endor.
  • Vader would succumb quicker to his injuries after killing Palpatine. He would die without his true face ever being revealed.
  • Luke would dismantle Ben and Vader’s lightsabers and craft his own from their components. This lightsaber would be purple.
  • No Force ghosts at the end. Whether or not Anakin atoned for his sins by saving Luke would be left up to the viewer to decide for themself.

I wouldn’t make Leia a Force-sensitive at all. Why, you may ask? It renders the entire quest to find Luke in The Force Awakens completely pointless from the start, especially in The Last Jedi, where it is revealed that she’s suddenly this powerful Force-user who flies back to the ship upon being blown out into space.

There’s an implication in TLJ that the display of her force powers to save her own life was either subconscious or unconscious, with no indication that she actually has any control of those powers (she never uses them again). Plus flying in space takes very little effort. I think it’s an awkwardly executed scene, but I also think the idea that it invalidates the quest to find Luke is a little silly.

Then why didn’t the Resistance need her this whole entire time to be the Force-user they needed to help defeat the First Order? Hell, the leaked plot summary for The Rise of Skywalker on Reddit says that she trained with Luke!

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The real reason to kill Snoke was all because Kylo wanted jet troopers. Too expensive for the First Order’s budget since they were paying off the debt owed for Snoke’s robe selection made from exotic minerals.

The Rise of Failures

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FreezingTNT2 said:

pleasehello said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

RogueLeader said:

In all seriousness, what would you change about ROTJ if you could? I like hearing your perspective!

  • Remove the Death Star II, or make the Death Star II a ruse to lure the Rebels into a trap.
  • Retool the entire Jabba sequence. Jabba’s palace would’ve be on a planet other than Tatooine; Leia would gift the droids to Jabba; Lando would free Han from the carbonite and get captured in the process; then Leia would arrive in person and successfully barter for Han & co’s freedom. Everything else would be cut.
  • Luke would be on Dagobah, where he’d have been since the events of TESB, finishing his training under Yoda. He wouldn’t have a new lightsaber at this point.
  • Leia would be “the other”, as powerful in the Force as Luke, but not his sister.
  • Han would have some actual dignity. Instead of delivering dumb slapstick and one-liners, his relationship with Leia would continue to evolve.
  • The Ewoks would be scary. They’d be pygmy versions of the original Chewbacca design, with oversized eyes and sharp fangs. They’d wear clothing made from human skin, and gruesome sculptures made of Imperial armour and human bones would decorate their village.
  • Palpatine would not be a cackling Saturday morning cartoon supervillain. He’d be as he was portrayed by Clive Revill — resonant but understated.
  • There’d be deeper exploration into Vader’s motivations and psyche. It would be made clear that Vader was a good man who joined Palpatine under false pretenses and became his puppet, and now wishes his son to join him in the dark side so together they can depose Palpatine and transform the Empire into the strong but benevolent power he always wanted it to be.
  • It would be revealed that Vader kept Ben’s lightsaber as a trophy, and he would show it to Luke on Endor.
  • Palpatine’s finest troops would actually live up to that descriptor. For once, we’d have stormtroopers with effective armour who can actually hit what they fire at.
  • Palpatine would make a strong case for why Luke should turn to the dark side — power not for power’s sake, which Luke doesn’t crave, but to right wrongs, avenge evil, and protect his loved ones.
  • During their duel, Luke and Vader would end up swapping lightsabers; Luke, with Vader’s red lightsaber, would face Vader, with Ben’s blue lightsaber.
  • Han would die in the battle on Endor.
  • Vader would succumb quicker to his injuries after killing Palpatine. He would die without his true face ever being revealed.
  • Luke would dismantle Ben and Vader’s lightsabers and craft his own from their components. This lightsaber would be purple.
  • No Force ghosts at the end. Whether or not Anakin atoned for his sins by saving Luke would be left up to the viewer to decide for themself.

I wouldn’t make Leia a Force-sensitive at all. Why, you may ask? It renders the entire quest to find Luke in The Force Awakens completely pointless from the start, especially in The Last Jedi, where it is revealed that she’s suddenly this powerful Force-user who flies back to the ship upon being blown out into space.

There’s an implication in TLJ that the display of her force powers to save her own life was either subconscious or unconscious, with no indication that she actually has any control of those powers (she never uses them again). Plus flying in space takes very little effort. I think it’s an awkwardly executed scene, but I also think the idea that it invalidates the quest to find Luke is a little silly.

Then why didn’t the Resistance need her this whole entire time to be the Force-user they needed to help defeat the First Order? Hell, the leaked plot summary for The Rise of Skywalker on Reddit says that she trained with Luke!

For one, it’s not like Leia was going to be as strong as Luke, especially since she presumably hasn’t trained at all since she had Ben. And two, I don’t think Leia has the same kind of klout the legendary Luke Skywalker has that could reunite the galaxy against this great evil. She might be the Resistance leader, but apparently she had lost some influence in the Senate, and she isn’t a “Jedi” like her brother.

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Leia should’ve been Snoke. Nuff said.

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I quite enjoyed that clip; though I don’t disagree that “they fly now” is fairly goofy dialogue. To some extent, each trilogy chronologically gets sillier dialogue - the prequels are stilted, the OT is fairly casual but still has some George Lucas clangers, and then the ST is kind of quippy. You can handwave an in universe explanation for that if you really want; but it doesn’t bother me as long as the overall story still delivers on Rey/Kylo/Palpatine well. But some of those comments - people are claiming it looks like a fan film, or that it has terrible obvious CGI or whatever - there is no possible way a fan film could get a high enough budget to do a scene like this, and to me most of the stuff looks like real filmed greenscreen elements at least (even if it is composited together afterwards) though I don’t know how anyone can be passing judgement on that in such a low quality compressed video.

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I like the jetpack troopers, but I do wonder about the atlatl-like booster launch thingy on the speeder bikes.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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If that “They fly now!” clip was intended as a tease of cool / funny moments to come… I gotta admit… I’m more excited for next Friday’s episode of The Mandalorian. I’m still trying to find some reasoning on why that specific clip was chosen (to build hype / get people excited). I shouldn’t be that surprised though since the “SNL cringe” type of humor has not landed for me at all in this trilogy. General Hugs… ughhh.

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“They fly now” isn’t that bad to my mind. I thought that Abrams and Kasdan struck a pretty good balance with the humorous dialogue in TFA. It felt antiquated in a good way; a bit out-of-time which is appropriate for a galaxy far far away.

By contrast almost all of the TLJ humor fell flat for me. Too contemporary, too grounded in modern-day meme culture. General “Hugs” is about a lazy and uninspired as humor gets. I’m hoping that Abrams tones it down a bit and gets the humor more in line with what he did in TFA.

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Comedy is all about confidence. Own your joke, deliver your joke, and move on asap. The problem with “They fly now” is that the joke is done the second Threepio delivers the line. There should be a cut back to the action at that point because your’e not topping that.

General Hugs is perfectly fine, it just goes on too long, too. Star Wars comedy is often very irreverent and of its time (the fact Han is calling Leia sister in Star Wars is some very of-the-moment '70s stuff too. I don’t know that I’d call it “SNL Cringe” but I think you probably could if it was 1979) but what keeps it fresh is that confidence and that timing.

Clips don’t really build hype, and none of the ST clips have either. Clips in general are just like, tiny tastes for talk show blah-blah. I get why we all hyper-analyze them, because we’re obsessives, LOL. But they’re not going to deliver a solid, intriguing scene for free for the late-night circuit. They’re saving those moments for when we buy tickets. This is more like the best of the mediocre-est. That’s what goes out on the press tour.