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Trooperman,

The cockpit scene looks very promising. I assume it will cropped.

In your previous video samples, you posted the Geonosis battle with Lawrence of Arabia footage. Sorry to say, I have one small nitpick: there's once scene where I can swear I see a horse's butt through some smoke.

Just curious: how are you handling the opening of the movie? ADigitalMan's opening scene with the pan down on Coruscant is perfect IMHO.

Thanks,
Erik

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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You can download each radio drama here

http://www.scenebyscene.net/ and under each respective episode
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Yes- in my opening, the camera pans DOWN to the planet, not up. Rebel11_38 made this possible when he programmed the crawl last August.

And yes, the cockpit scene and all of the rest from Dune will be anamorphic 2:35:1 like the rest of the film. I don’t know why my capture was 4:3, because Dune was originally in 16x9 anyway.

Thanks for that page, Mask! I actually have copies of the dramas (uncompressed), but I’ll bet that’s a great resource for a lot of people.

And who’s to say they didn’t have horses on Geonosis? Just kidding- I’ll look into that

Screenshots coming soon…

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Any updates?
The scenes taken from Dune look terrific.
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Any updates?

Yes- I'm sorry for neglecting this thread. Work has definitely been cruising along behind the scenes here- I have cut many sequences, done the majority of the dubbing, and have actually completed a few scenes (like the Jedi Council scene and the Anakin/Palpatine scene).

Right now I'm working on noise reduction and mixing for my dubs, and also on choosing the best takes for each scene. Sometimes I need to do pickups, but in that case I need to take care that my voice sounds consistent. At this point, I've made several (minor) changes to the original plans with the scenes, which wouldn't have occurred to me without seeing it play in front of me.

I also have to say that I can't quit watching and rewatching the new Coruscant sequence, from the threatening bugs to the nightclub/interrogation. This is all pretty much completed (new sound effects, music, and everything- the whole mix) and it looks and sounds spectacular to me. I can't wait for you to see it.

A couple big character voices that I still need to do are Lama-Su and Jar-Jar Binks. Lama-Su is my fault; I've got to finalize his lines this weekend. Jar-Jar, however, is something that I'm not sure how we're handling. It depends completely on how it's handled in Ep. I. This also goes for the Nemoidians.

Oh, and here's a very rough example of what a clone war taken from Dune could look like. I like this a lot because it feels a lot more human and "hand to hand combat" style. Of course, these new soldiers with the black and red armor will need to be set up by Gunray either in the conference on Geonsis (when Kenobi spies), or in the first war room sequence.

The "Dune" clone war

There's one shot in here where someone beheads one of the bad guys. Trouble is, he uses a little dagger. That shot (and others like it) would benefit from some rotoscoping of new lightsabers (like they did in the Braveheart shot of that fan trailer).

Also, I've not only incorporated 1138, I went a step further and actually used the audio from "THX-1138". In an establishing street shot (right before Zam runs into the nightclub), a woman's voice rings out on some kind of loudspeaker: "TXH 1138, please return to your craft. You are parked in a no-parking zone." It continues to drift on in the distance during the Anakin/Obi-Wan exchange ("You are parked in a no-parking zone. You are parked in a no-parking zone."). I thought that was a neat little detail.

Also, I recorded the background chatter of all of the patrons of the nightclub, one by one, by myself (I can't afford all of the expensive sound effects!). It's probably inaudible, but you might hear patrons talking about galaxy politics, going to a Jar-Jar concert of traditional Gungan music (now we know what Jar-Jar does in his free time), being drunk, and there's even a patron talking about how he won't buy Star Wars on DVD until the original versions are released. Obviously this is a mass jumble (and many of the tracks have been pitch-altered/reversed), but I had some fun with their dialogue.

I've also recorded the Jedi Analysis robot scene. I don't really like the CG robots, though; if I have time, I"m almost tempted to just matte in a bunch of blinking lights, or a console with a speaker (like HAL 9000 in "2001"), and use that instead, as this scene does not fit in the style I'm trying to get.

Anyway, I believe things are going very well, and there are no problems that I can see besides just getting all of these dubs together.

-TM

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Any updates?
Oh, and here's a very rough example of what a clone war taken from Dune could look like. I like this a lot because it feels a lot more human and "hand to hand combat" style. Of course, these new soldiers with the black and red armor will need to be set up by Gunray either in the conference on Geonsis (when Kenobi spies), or in the first war room sequence.
-TM


Great clip. Thanks a bunch! I can't wait to hear the THX clip.

I think the new soldiers could be introduced by Wat Tambor. His playing with his knob* mid sentence has always bothered me. I'd love to see that replaced.



*You know what I mean. Geez!
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TM, I think you have solved the problem of needing more combat footage for the geanosis scenes. I always knew that Dune footage would work, but those shots work soo well I that I almost couldn't tell the difference. All of the shots blended perfectly together. I would throw in the shot of Mace charging with the clone troops right in the middle of that sequence of armored guys doing combat. And if you add in mace's BLUE lightsaber to that fatality, that would add some nice flow I think. But that does look really good. Have you tried any footage from David Lynchs' Dune? There might be some more alternate takes to use.
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Oh my gosh, this sounds heavenly.

*quickly closes megaupload popup* (too naughty for school) especially the thx easter-egg. That's so brilliant.

If you replace the analysis droids with a big vending machine or something, can it be called J.E.D.-I 3000 (Jedi Examination Droid, Inspector #3000) or something like that?
He big in nothing important in good elephant.

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That looks great! Far better than the original battle .
Where is the new cool music from?
Are all the new shots from Dune?
They all blend nicely I think. Can't wait to see the whole movie (and the new Coruscant too ).
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(My first post in this thread)

Awesome clip, Trooper man!
Yeah, I would also suggest that you add in a few shots from ATOC when possible. Some shots of Mace would be good.
I'm also wondering if you could add in some more lightsabers and blaster shots to some of the backgrounds in Dune...just to make it feel a little more like Star Wars...?
I'm sure that would take more time, but it just might be worth it.
But I DO like what's happening!

...I was also wondering what the new Anakin voice sounds like...?

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Trooperman, what you're doing is really a fans dream come true. You're taking the existing films and giving us a more expansive vision of the story. Thanks from this fan.
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Great looking clip and great update, TM!

You got me rabid to see your cut. We better solve the Jar Jar problem fast-- and I suggest going for the easiest solution that can work.

In fact, I suggest you dictate what should happen and make the Episode I team follow your lead.

Anyway, great work. I do presume you will cut in some war footage from Episode II as well, right? I think they'll cut together nice if you're at the helm.

Can't hardly wait!

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Thanks to all of you (especially ones new to this thread) for the great feedback...

Originally posted by: Sluggo


Great clip. Thanks a bunch! I can't wait to hear the THX clip.

I think the new soldiers could be introduced by Wat Tambor. His playing with his knob* mid sentence has always bothered me. I'd love to see that replaced.


Ha ha! Actually, not only did his playing with the knob irritate me, that whole CG character irritated me (along with the two others, like the one with the horizontally crushed head). I actually cut all of their close-ups with dialogue. Now, the scene is basically Dooku laying out his battle plan, with Nute speaking up occasionally. This is really the introduction of Dooku, and the scene plays that way.

Originally posted by: darthpreston
Have you tried any footage from David Lynchs' Dune? There might be some more alternate takes to use.

I'm still looking around for a copy of the David Lynch Dune; I haven't gotten a hold of it yet, though. And I agree that Mace's blue saber on that shot would be really effective.

Originally posted by: Wesyeed

If you replace the analysis droids with a big vending machine or something, can it be called J.E.D.-I 3000 (Jedi Examination Droid, Inspector #3000) or something like that?

Sure, we can call it something like that. We can call it whatever we want after I figure out a way to make the shots work

Originally posted by: andij
That looks great! Far better than the original battle .
Where is the new cool music from?
Are all the new shots from Dune?
They all blend nicely I think. Can't wait to see the whole movie (and the new Coruscant too ).


Thanks! The new music is "Mars", the first piece of Gustav Holst's classic suite, "The Planets". It sounds like Star Wars music, and it was used in the temp track for the original Star Wars, so it seems appropriate that it should come in again for this movie. And yes, most of the new shots in that clip were from "Dune", except the explosion, which I pulled from Lawrence of Arabia.

I agree with everyone saying that there should be more Star Wars material in this sequence, because if you think about it, that whole battle in that clip didn't have ANY elements from AOTC at all. I will definitely splice in the shot of Mace charging, and if I can figure out how, I will rotoscope saber and do blaster shots (or at the very least, those white/purple impact flashes typical of SW). The thing is, it's a lot easier to rerotoscope an existing saber than it is to create a new blade. Gee, I wish we had a special effects artist to do the Jedi Analysis Robot composite, the two sunset/dusk scenes on Tatooine, and FX work on this Dune footage. It would make things go much more quickly.

Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated
(My first post in this thread)

...I was also wondering what the new Anakin voice sounds like...?


Ha ha!- that's something I can't reveal yet. Pretty soon, I need to create a trailer, and you'll hear the new voice in that trailer. Basically, it's a lot lower, not whiny or needy, confident/ambitious...you get the picture. Listening to the recordings, I can definitely picture it turning into James Earl Jone's voice, whereas I just can't with Hayden.

Originally posted by: shanep
Trooperman, what you're doing is really a fans dream come true. You're taking the existing films and giving us a more expansive vision of the story. Thanks from this fan.


Thank you. Looking at it as a fan of the original Star Wars trilogy, this finished movie will be my dream come true as well. I was so disappointed with AOTC- I actually thought it was the worst of all 6 films. At least Phantom Menace had some structure to it. However, this editing has been great because now, I really understand the deeper reasons as to why it was poorly done. It's a lot of work, but it's a lot of fun. I'm really trying to push myself and get this done for this summer.

Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Great looking clip and great update, TM!

You got me rabid to see your cut. We better solve the Jar Jar problem fast-- and I suggest going for the easiest solution that can work.

In fact, I suggest you dictate what should happen and make the Episode I team follow your lead.

Anyway, great work. I do presume you will cut in some war footage from Episode II as well, right? I think they'll cut together nice if you're at the helm.

Can't hardly wait!


Ditto. Thanks for your compliments- you know that you're the man that revamped the love story and Anakin's "emotional journey" (corny as it sounds) throughout the film, so you are very much responsible for that. Regarding Jar-Jar...I really wish MagnoliaFan would get his new cuts out soon, because he's said that he's secured some rare foreign language tracks for all of the prequels. I think that might be a good place to get Jar-Jar/Nemoidian dialogue. Maybe I can ask him personally...

And as I said, I'm trying to get this out this summer. That will require finishing the movie in a couple months, so that I have time to actually encode the thing, do subtitles, extras, menus, commentary, and so on, and testing it. Believe me, I'm impatient as well (for you all to see this film), but it just takes time. It's a very large and complex project.


Thanks, guys!

-TM

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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A trailer, huh? I didn't even think about a trailer! That'll be fun!
You could mimic the original ATOC teaser with your new shots in inserted-...Oh!
OR you could mimic one of the OT trailers like the original Star Wars teaser...man, what a horrible narrator was that guy!
Might be a fun nostalgic way of showing off your work...plus giving it a OT feeling...OR it could just be a pain!


"...At least Phantom Menace had some structure to it. However, this editing has been great because now, I really understand the deeper reasons as to why it was poorly done."

Interesting. I would like to hear more!

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I really like the clip Trooperman. I agree that there should be some little bits of the AOTC clone war in there.

Originally posted by: Trooperman
I agree with everyone saying that there should be more Star Wars material in this sequence, because if you think about it, that whole battle in that clip didn't have ANY elements from AOTC at all. I will definitely splice in the shot of Mace charging, and if I can figure out how, I will rotoscope saber and do blaster shots (or at the very least, those white/purple impact flashes typical of SW). The thing is, it's a lot easier to rerotoscope an existing saber than it is to create a new blade.


I found this tutorial on how to make a lightsaber in photoshop.

http://twister111.tumblr.com
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Originally posted by: twister111
I really like the clip Trooperman. I agree that there should be some little bits of the AOTC clone war in there.

Originally posted by: Trooperman
I agree with everyone saying that there should be more Star Wars material in this sequence, because if you think about it, that whole battle in that clip didn't have ANY elements from AOTC at all. I will definitely splice in the shot of Mace charging, and if I can figure out how, I will rotoscope saber and do blaster shots (or at the very least, those white/purple impact flashes typical of SW). The thing is, it's a lot easier to rerotoscope an existing saber than it is to create a new blade.


I found this tutorial on how to make a lightsaber in photoshop.



Thats one of the coolest tutorials I've ever seen for lightsabers
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Very good stuff, but that use of the 'Mars' track during the battle. It's such a famous piece of music in it's own right it seemed very out of place hearing it in a Star Wars film to me. In the same way I wouldn't expect to hear a Beethoven track.
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Hi, folks. I still can't believe that Lucasfilm is releasing the original versions of the Star Wars trilogy. This is ALL THE MORE REASON to finish this edit. Before, there weren't any official releases with the original logo, stereo sound, and so on...and now there will be. This edit was already meant to fit with the original versions, and now that they are being released in much the same format as mine will be, the quality will be consistent and the completed set will be wonderful.

However, this announcement means that I am definitively setting the release date for Shroud of the Dark Side in September of this year. That way, I will be able to purchase the original movie on DVD and rip the logos for complete consistency and great quality. The film will be practically done this summer, I'll be working on subtitles, extras, and such, and come September, I'll just be able to plug in the opening and begin encoding for DVD.

The dubbing for Anakin is practically done- I have completed all the scenes except the conversation with Watto and the conversation with 3PO/Owen. I'm also going to rerecord the "departure from naboo" scene, as that was a bad recording day for me (the takes didn't come out well). Know, though, that I'm archiving all of this material should I ever need any of it for any reason (documentary, an alternate take for a future version, a 5.1 mix, etc.). All of the original ADR recordings will go into storage untouched.

A trailer, huh? I didn't even think about a trailer! That'll be fun!

It will be! I'm thinking of doing it in the classic style, with a narrator and the actor's names appearing on the screen along with their close-ups. "Starring EWAN MCGREGOR", "HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN", and so on.



"...At least Phantom Menace had some structure to it. However, this editing has been great because now, I really understand the deeper reasons as to why it was poorly done."

Interesting. I would like to hear more!

Well, I realised that the lousy cinematography had a lot to do with it. All of the subjects are pretty much placed in the center of the screen, which is bad style. The music was hacked, and the colors were artificial looking. Also, the very fact that there was so little chemistry or interaction between the leads that I was literally able to rerecord all of the lines and insert them without a hitch is really sad.


Very good stuff, but that use of the 'Mars' track during the battle. It's such a famous piece of music in it's own right it seemed very out of place hearing it in a Star Wars film to me. In the same way I wouldn't expect to hear a Beethoven track.

You know what, that's a very good point. I was afraid someone was going to say that! This will probably be jarring to people the first time they hear it. Then again, so will the snippets of "Raiders" music, for some people. Everyone has a different musical background, and therefore this edit will hit different people in different ways; some will be thrilled the first time, and some might be utterly distracted by music that is very familiar to them. I like this piece so much, though, that I'm reluctant to remove it. Because by the second viewing, or the third viewing, people will be used to the better version, and it seems a shame to remove it because it's so famous. Very good point, though.

Talk to you guys soon- I still can't believe the great news!

-TM

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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P.S. And thanks so much for that lightsaber tutorial, Twister- that's great stuff! I had the basic idea down, but there's a point in there where he inserted an additional step that I'll have to try now!

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Hi, folks. I still can't believe that Lucasfilm is releasing the original versions of the Star Wars trilogy. This is ALL THE MORE REASON to finish this edit. Before, there weren't any official releases with the original logo, stereo sound, and so on...and now there will be. This edit was already meant to fit with the original versions, and now that they are being released in much the same format as mine will be, the quality will be consistent and the completed set will be wonderful.

However, this announcement means that I am definitively setting the release date for Shroud of the Dark Side in September of this year. That way, I will be able to purchase the original movie on DVD and rip the logos for complete consistency and great quality. The film will be practically done this summer, I'll be working on subtitles, extras, and such, and come September, I'll just be able to plug in the opening and begin encoding for DVD.

The dubbing for Anakin is practically done- I have completed all the scenes except the conversation with Watto and the conversation with 3PO/Owen. I'm also going to rerecord the "departure from naboo" scene, as that was a bad recording day for me (the takes didn't come out well). Know, though, that I'm archiving all of this material should I ever need any of it for any reason (documentary, an alternate take for a future version, a 5.1 mix, etc.). All of the original ADR recordings will go into storage untouched.

A trailer, huh? I didn't even think about a trailer! That'll be fun!

It will be! I'm thinking of doing it in the classic style, with a narrator and the actor's names appearing on the screen along with their close-ups. "Starring EWAN MCGREGOR", "HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN", and so on.



"...At least Phantom Menace had some structure to it. However, this editing has been great because now, I really understand the deeper reasons as to why it was poorly done."

Interesting. I would like to hear more!

Well, I realised that the lousy cinematography had a lot to do with it. All of the subjects are pretty much placed in the center of the screen, which is bad style. The music was hacked, and the colors were artificial looking. Also, the very fact that there was so little chemistry or interaction between the leads that I was literally able to rerecord all of the lines and insert them without a hitch is really sad.


Very good stuff, but that use of the 'Mars' track during the battle. It's such a famous piece of music in it's own right it seemed very out of place hearing it in a Star Wars film to me. In the same way I wouldn't expect to hear a Beethoven track.

You know what, that's a very good point. I was afraid someone was going to say that! This will probably be jarring to people the first time they hear it. Then again, so will the snippets of "Raiders" music, for some people. Everyone has a different musical background, and therefore this edit will hit different people in different ways; some will be thrilled the first time, and some might be utterly distracted by music that is very familiar to them. I like this piece so much, though, that I'm reluctant to remove it. Because by the second viewing, or the third viewing, people will be used to the better version, and it seems a shame to remove it because it's so famous. Very good point, though.

Talk to you guys soon- I still can't believe the great news!

-TM


Great to hear more news on this wonderful edit that I can't wait to see but I think waiting on the new release to see if the old LFL logo is on it is not a good idea, cuz then what if they put the new logo on it. Possibly release a v. 1.0 of this edit and then wait to see the new set and if it has the old logo then do a v. 1.1. Just thinking out loud lol.
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TM

It IS great news-- particularly for this edit and the whole "Starkiller Ranch" idea. Go for the Sept. deadline and it will turn out so much better. I have always felt your aesthetic idea of going for the original trilogy look is the best possible idea for a fan edit. I can't wait for the screen flashes and Dune footage and other touches. (I mean, I'm thrilled with anticipation -- not to rush you).

To have the OT in perfect DVD format (Episode IV will just be called "Star Wars" now-- weird) is a perfect companion to the most anticipated fan edit of ALL TIME!!!

;-)

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Originally posted by: Trooperman
You fellows also bring up a really good point about the Emperor's transformation. I had always assumed (until Ep. 3) that using the Dark Side led to physical deterioration, and as the Emperor used it more and more, he deteriorated more and more. Obviously, this cannot happen now. The question is- how do we make it seem as though the Emperor revealed himself deliberately, and he wasn't injured by his own force lightning? My solution- the dream.

Sidious slowly fades on screen, his eyes glowing.

Voice of Anakin: Who are you?
Sidious: Someone you know. Someone you know very well.

I'll tackle that when I come to it, but I think that this can be developed through Anakin's dream in Ep. III.


I also hoped that the Emperor's deterioration resulted from his use of the Dark Side. In my re-cut of Episode 3 ("Episode 3" or "What Convinced Me To Try a Re-edit"), I've tried to present this idea a bit.

The edit might seem a bit clunky, but the horrendous explanation of "the Emperor fried himself with his own lightning" is hopefully softened enough to allow for the idea that he masked his transformation with the appearance of the lightning damage. Maybe this cut could help you if the dream doesn't work?

My re-edit of ROTS isn't complete yet (I've got to try to rip and demux some audio for editing), but all constructive critiques and creative solution suggestions are welcome.

The scene can be downloaded at YouSendIt.com. I just uploaded it today. I apologize if this is not the preferred upload/download method.

The download link is:

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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Originally posted by: Trooperman
You fellows also bring up a really good point about the Emperor's transformation. I had always assumed (until Ep. 3) that using the Dark Side led to physical deterioration, and as the Emperor used it more and more, he deteriorated more and more. Obviously, this cannot happen now. The question is- how do we make it seem as though the Emperor revealed himself deliberately, and he wasn't injured by his own force lightning? My solution- the dream.

Sidious slowly fades on screen, his eyes glowing.

Voice of Anakin: Who are you?
Sidious: Someone you know. Someone you know very well.

I'll tackle that when I come to it, but I think that this can be developed through Anakin's dream in Ep. III.


I also hoped that the Emperor's deterioration resulted from his use of the Dark Side. In my re-cut of Episode 3 ("Episode 3" or "What Convinced Me To Try a Re-edit"), I've tried to present this idea a bit.

The edit might seem a bit clunky, but the horrendous explanation of "the Emperor fried himself with his own lightning" is hopefully softened enough to allow for the idea that he masked his transformation with the appearance of the lightning damage. Maybe this cut could help you if the dream doesn't work?

My re-edit of ROTS isn't complete yet (I've got to try to rip and demux some audio for editing), but all constructive critiques and creative solution suggestions are welcome.

The scene can be downloaded at YouSendIt.com. I just uploaded it today. I apologize if this is not the preferred upload/download method.

The download link is:

jedi_confront_palpatine.wmv



You know i hated your alternate opening but i love this. You really cleaned up the Mace duel to make it more plausible and removed all of Palpatine's silly moves and facial expressions. Good job!

BUT, i will say that a lot of the emotional oomph is lacking. Thats the only thing the sequence is missing. Its just kind of flat. Hard to say why exactly--maybe because Anakin's back-and-forth is missing. I think short of having access to the original elements though this is probably as good as this sequence can be re-edited though.
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darkhelmet,

Your re-edited fight with Mace and Sidious is excellent. By cutting out all the crap (Sidious' ridiculous faces, Sidious hopping around like a frog on crack), you actually made it seem better than it is. Bravo. Now you just need to recolor Mace's saber

Did you move the part with Anakin ahead a little? It looks like you did, and it stretched out the beginning of the fight so that it seems like the other Jedi weren't so easyily taken out by Sidious.

One suggestion: is there any way that you can edit the sceene to give Anakin even less dialog before he cuts off Mace's arm? In my own imaginary fan edit, I'd like to see Anakin come right up to Mace and cut off his arm, like he came into the room knowing that's what he would have to do. Maybe Mace can say "It's time for the rule of the Sith to end" or whatever he says, then Anakin just screams no and cuts off his arm. It makes his actions seem more deliberate. If you think about it, he had all that time in the Jedi Council room to think about what he needed to do, so he should be determined by the time he gets to Palpatine's office.

Did you happen to read my thoughts on having Anakin/Vader die in ROTS back at the top of this page in the Starkiller Ranch thread (http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=3886&STARTPAGE=11)?

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Originally posted by: zombie84
You know i hated your alternate opening but i love this. You really cleaned up the Mace duel to make it more plausible and removed all of Palpatine's silly moves and facial expressions. Good job!

BUT, i will say that a lot of the emotional oomph is lacking. Thats the only thing the sequence is missing. Its just kind of flat. Hard to say why exactly--maybe because Anakin's back-and-forth is missing. I think short of having access to the original elements though this is probably as good as this sequence can be re-edited though.

Thanks for the honest compliment! I may need to acquiesce to your opinion of my opening re-cut if it really ends up leaving a hole in the movie.

Maybe the emotional oomph! could come in the form Erikstormtrooper decribes (if it actually can be re-cut this way):

Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
One suggestion: is there any way that you can edit the sceene to give Anakin even less dialog before he cuts off Mace's arm? In my own imaginary fan edit, I'd like to see Anakin come right up to Mace and cut off his arm, like he came into the room knowing that's what he would have to do. Maybe Mace can say "It's time for the rule of the Sith to end" or whatever he says, then Anakin just screams no and cuts off his arm. It makes his actions seem more deliberate. If you think about it, he had all that time in the Jedi Council room to think about what he needed to do, so he should be determined by the time he gets to Palpatine's office.


It might make for an interesting dynamic and go far to explain Anakin's turn to the Dark Side without actually explaining it.