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Josh said:Good to hear from you Tropperman.
I really hope that the moonlight scene is kept, as changing it back would change YOUR MOVIE!
Well, first of all it's mostly Paul's movie now. Secondly, we're not talking about going back to the original, we're talking about redoing the colors in some scenes with my intent, but doing it better than I did it. The balcony scene will still be at night, and the funeral will still be at sunset. It'll just look more convincing.
Thanks for the interest though:)
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Here's a novel idea. Color Correct using the OT as a reference. That way you know your not going overboard.
These images share a lot in common, but the AOTC image looks woefully oversaturated and blue"
With a little color correction magic, they match!
(Obviously someone with a little more CC skills could desaturate Boba's shirt more, while leaving the skin tones and Jedi robes colors intact, but that's beyond my capacity)
Very good there! I like it
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Nice. Looks good
Yep! That's a good comparison^^
(Obviously someone with a little more CC skills could desaturate Boba's shirt more, while leaving the skin tones and Jedi robes colors intact, but that's beyond my capacity)
This was always my problem. I had to try and find a middle ground, or lose a lot of the flesh tones (which happened a lot, actually).
If there was a way to only desaturate certain areas without it affecting the whole thing, then that would be perfect.
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“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
I suppose you could go through it frame by frame in photoshop, selecting certain elements and separating them out into layers, then desaturating only the layers you want to.
But that would be quite a job to do. Only take about twenty years.
Of course, maybe that would only be necessary for certain shots.
guitarfan01 said:I suppose you could go through it frame by frame in photoshop, selecting certain elements and separating them out into layers, then desaturating only the layers you want to.
But that would be quite a job to do. Only take about twenty years.
Of course, maybe that would only be necessary for certain shots.
Or a group of about twenty people could do it in one year (or you could do batch alterations and one person could do it as quickly as their computer speed and storage would allow).
Trooperman said:(Obviously someone with a little more CC skills could desaturate Boba's shirt more, while leaving the skin tones and Jedi robes colors intact, but that's beyond my capacity)
This was always my problem. I had to try and find a middle ground, or lose a lot of the flesh tones (which happened a lot, actually).
If there was a way to only desaturate certain areas without it affecting the whole thing, then that would be perfect.
well, you can desaturate only certain areas - with masking, although if movement in the shot is really fast and jumpy, sometimes frame by frame is a better way to go. Though if motion isnt too too bad, masking can really be a nice help.
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Trooperman said:Josh said:Good to hear from you Tropperman.
I really hope that the moonlight scene is kept, as changing it back would change YOUR MOVIE!
Well, first of all it's mostly Paul's movie now. Secondly, we're not talking about going back to the original, we're talking about redoing the colors in some scenes with my intent, but doing it better than I did it. The balcony scene will still be at night, and the funeral will still be at sunset. It'll just look more convincing.
Thanks for the interest though:)
Whoah, you're on the more convincing day-for-night stuff right? Cause I'm just hear to add soundfx and clean up the editing :( . As evidenced by my now 2 year old and nothing to show for it vintage edit of star wars, my skills are a little lacking in the color correction department.
vaderios said:
-Angel
Please don't change the shot of Anakin on the balcony. That is one of my favorite shots in the entire movie. And one of the few that I thought looked good. It reminds me of an overcast day in Florida so the lighting has always been realistic to me.
As for the top one, I hated those all CG shots like I'm sure you all did too. But while I think the new color tone is better, the contrast appears to be boosted, resulting in clipped whites. What is improved is that it's no longer a monochrome brown tint on the entire frame. Is there any way the sky in the background could be tinted more like a normal blue one? So that it doesn't blend in with the rocky landscape and practically everything else. The problem with this shot is that everything has the same basic hue, resulting in a murky image worse than some older 1ccd camcorders. Adding a slight blur to the background stuff might help if it is possible.
The others, it's important to remember not to add too much contrast. It can actually make the dynamic range look smaller. What is really missing from the movie is color purity and separation.
As for that OT footage as a reference, I think the clip from Star Wars looks much more balanced and drastically better focused.
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PaulisDead2221 said:my skills are a little lacking in the color correction department.
In that case, if it is watchable, then I'd leave it for now. I'm not great at color correction either. I mean, I got a version I was happy with, but I think in some cases I went too far and desaturated some faces, BUT, faced with either that or a phony looking picture, I went for the faded look. It was a trade-off.
When I get back home I'll definitely watch it again and play around with some things, and I'll definitely use some of the ideas in this thread, by people who have a better eye for this type of thing.
If I come up with anything good, I'll show you exactly what I did so that you can do it.
It's tough, and like someone else said, Photoshop is one thing, but motion is different. Unless there's some kind of automated process, I really can't see us being able to isolate specific elements and change saturation locally frame and frame.
I think too that if there was someone willing to put in that kind of time, then they would want to know that SOTDS is actually a good movie first (i.e. the dubbing works), before committing to something like that...
But like you said, that's not really the priority...priority is audio (and better editing in a couple spots). We can always play with colors afterwards...
For everyone else on the forum, one big problem scene right now is the balcony scene where Anakin and Padme kiss for the first time. In SOTDS the scene is dark, at night. I actually think another fan edit borrowed this idea a while back, and it actually came out a couple of years ago, but I can't remember what the results of that were....
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
where can i see these clips trooperman cause i can't find them on the links posted around the forum
some one has to re upload them *WINK WINK WINK*
How bout the nightclub scene ;]
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I am so, so busy right now, but I will get back to you all in a week or 2.
I think PaulisDead is probably in the same situation right now. College is a real time-drain...
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
As a fellow collegian, I can also attest that college is also a real-time drain.
I'm guessing college is the same as University in the UK?
Woo-hoo! Done with college! Boo-yah!
Now I can surf the net all day and all night!!
I could even go see Last House on the Left tonight-- if my wife would let me.
ben_danger said:I'm guessing college is the same as University in the UK?
Thanks to Margaret Thatcher it mostly is.
There are some Technical colleges left (and Sixth Form colleges) but most colleges have been turned into Universities.
When I was in the system the divide was much stronger with Monotechnical and Polytechnical colleges as well as Municipal Colleges.
Colleges are also faculties within Universities.
lol, are you from UK too bingowings? i think my uni (Plymouth) used to be a poly.
i meant college in US.
but thanks anyway!:)
all meant to say, that if you are in education and are short of creative time, i share your pain.:P
ben_danger said:lol, are you from UK too bingowings? i think my uni (Plymouth) used to be a poly.
i meant college in US.
but thanks anyway!:)
all meant to say, that if you are in education and are short of creative time, i share your pain.:P
Oh I get you, yes I'm in boggy Scotland but I went to Brighton Polytechnic and the Kent Institute Of Art And Design which was a Monotechnic.
The so called Ivy League University's like Princeton are more like the Oxbridge Universities.
Where as Universities like the University Of California are more like the former Techs as they don't use the collegiate system.
Trooperman said:Color correction is tough, and like someone else said, Photoshop is one thing, but motion is different. Unless there's some kind of automated process, I really can't see us being able to isolate specific elements and change saturation locally frame and frame.
I think what you would need is the ability to control saturation for shadows, midtones and highlights. In addition to the ability to adjust the color for those levels separately .
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