Octorox said:Why exactly are you re-dubbing Owen and Lama Su? Did you just not like the original voices?
New lines.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Are there any clips of this anywhere?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty7-UrBXp9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOzZ-MkX27I
Your welcome.
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Wow....I forgot those were on there. I did a search and found the opening crawl too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-vhl-XFIxw
I didn't put any of these up, but thank you to whoever did.
I also found my cantina scene on youtube, but whoever posted it did some fan editing of their own, dubbing it over with Biff from Back to the Future. It made me laugh when I watched it because I've never seen anybody dub over a dub before....
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Hmmm, does anyone have the REAL Cantina Clip (Cough Cough Cough) COUGH!
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I think I might have it somewhere;)
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“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
OH GOD OH GOD YES!
And yes, I'm having an orgasm!
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Hey Trooperman, your color correction looks a little odd to me. Its seems like your going for a more muted look but you gave a lot of the scenes weird tints. I think I'll play around with color correction a bit and show you my results.
Well when you download the files, which are invalid, you get better color. Though the Speeder clip even un youtubed is a little um... purple.
I may upload the to rapidshare, If I can, or maybe Trooperman could, or pual...
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Octorox said:Hey Trooperman, your color correction looks a little odd to me. Its seems like your going for a more muted look but you gave a lot of the scenes weird tints. I think I'll play around with color correction a bit and show you my results.
Yeah, I went overboard with the purple in the chase. I'm sure Paul has noticed that as well and probably plans to change it himself....
It was just so hard to give this any kind of realism without sometimes going to drastic measures. I remember reading an article where it stated that most professional cinematographers were "appalled" at how bad AOTC looked in theaters (due to the still-new HD filming). The colors are so screwed up, and combined with all the phony looking digital effects it looks like a cartoon.
In my version it doesn't, but I do think in some cases I went too far. Hopefully we can pull back the tint but still keep that more muted look...
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
Find that cantina clip yet ;]
http://rapidshare.com/files/174708162/chase2.mpg.html Here is the Chase Clip lololol
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Trooperman said:Octorox said:Hey Trooperman, your color correction looks a little odd to me. Its seems like your going for a more muted look but you gave a lot of the scenes weird tints. I think I'll play around with color correction a bit and show you my results.
Yeah, I went overboard with the purple in the chase. I'm sure Paul has noticed that as well and probably plans to change it himself....
It was just so hard to give this any kind of realism without sometimes going to drastic measures. I remember reading an article where it stated that most professional cinematographers were "appalled" at how bad AOTC looked in theaters (due to the still-new HD filming). The colors are so screwed up, and combined with all the phony looking digital effects it looks like a cartoon.
In my version it doesn't, but I do think in some cases I went too far. Hopefully we can pull back the tint but still keep that more muted look...
You could always go for a bit more desaturated high contrast look. The increased darks would hide some of the cgery. In fact, desaturated and darkening those city scenes makes them look quite striking. Like the Dark Knight or something
btw I'm thinking Georgie was going for sort of a technicolor look.
Hmmm, I don't know, It's more like there ghosts, what we need is Adobe CS4 For color correction, I don't have it, but there are ways of getting it without buying it (Cough)
What are you using?
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C3PX said:Octorox said:Why exactly are you re-dubbing Owen and Lama Su? Did you just not like the original voices?
New lines.
What does he have planned? the phantom editor was able to fix their lines really well without redubbing. Unless you plan to eliminate the whole Sifo Diyas thing. Owens are fine though. Phantom Editor was able to remove the whole "stepbrother" thing.
Josh said:Hmmm, I don't know, It's more like there ghosts, what we need is Adobe CS4 For color correction, I don't have it, but there are ways of getting it without buying it (Cough)
What are you using?
Final Cut Pro. You are right, it's too drastic. I applied that for the nighttime scenes but It would have to be changed alot for daytime scenes.
This better? I'm thinking about taking a crack at Apple Color, since it's an app that came with FC Studio and is soley for Color Correction, but his a really weird interface.
Some of them do look good, You know that Troops has changed Mace's saber to blue right ;]
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Those shots in the last post actually look really similar to what I did for those scenes. I didn't go crazy on everything...just specific sequences.
And yeah, I redubbed Lama-Su not because the original was bad but because I wanted to change almost everything he says. In both of his scenes now he goes on a completely different spiel that actually puts the whole movie in a different light. You'll find out what he says when it comes out, but it's very different....
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“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
*STICKS OUT HAND* Where's My MOVIEEEEEEE lol
Right now I'm re reading the whole thread; wow, the debates over the crawl. information baby! Any chance on the Cantina clip *nudge*
I know I'm Anoying lol
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Trooperman said:I remember reading an article where it stated that most professional cinematographers were "appalled" at how bad AOTC looked in theaters (due to the still-new HD filming). The colors are so screwed up, and combined with all the phony looking digital effects it looks like a cartoon.
Word. That's part of the reason I like the Silent Film version of the saga, as it sort of "hides" a lot of the insane CGness that is apparent at times in the prequels, and removes the cartoonishness of the color, of course.
Octorox said:C3PX said:Octorox said:Why exactly are you re-dubbing Owen and Lama Su? Did you just not like the original voices?
New lines.
What does he have planned? the phantom editor was able to fix their lines really well without redubbing. Unless you plan to eliminate the whole Sifo Diyas thing. Owens are fine though. Phantom Editor was able to remove the whole "stepbrother" thing.
This is a very different kind of edit from that of the Phantom Editor's. Trooperman really made some very large changes throughout the movie. Sometimes redubbing characters was the best way to change the plot at some points or to cover up wholes left by deleted scenes.
Your best bet to understanding the spirit of this edit would be to go back and read page one.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I'm not sure if those color adjustments really help. Desaturating color helps make bad cinematography less obvious but it doesn't really go at the problem. It's easy to see the color doesn't look as good as a usual film but does anybody know exactly why? What attributes is it missing? The other thing is temporarily increasing the saturation might help reveal the problems better.
I don't want to brag or anything but I think I have a pretty good eye for color correction. (I should thank this site as well as Lucas screwing up the 2004 dvds so badly for helping me develop it.) I enhance and crop most of the photos I upload to facebook while many others don't even bother to rotate the pictures (which FB lets you do easily) that are vertically oriented. I'm pretty good at removing a color tint and I just discovered on Vegas that I can adjust the midtones/highlights/blacks of color separately. From what I've observed the color space needs to be stretched out; that is colors look more vivid with more contrast if the bright areas don't have the same tint as the dark areas. This ability seems to be something 1 ccd cameras lack. I was able to use this 3 way color correction technique to great success for a music video I did of my sister. I used my TRV-615 Hi8 but I think the correction (along with more saturation) made a lot of the clips look like they were shot with a 3ccd camera.
Does it make sense that the attributes of the HD video to film could be similar (although not nearly as drastic) to differences between a 1ccd and 3ccd camera?
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The new colors look more natural to me... particularly the Tatooine scene. Much more like in Star Wars.
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C3PX said:Octorox said:C3PX said:Octorox said:Why exactly are you re-dubbing Owen and Lama Su? Did you just not like the original voices?
New lines.
What does he have planned? the phantom editor was able to fix their lines really well without redubbing. Unless you plan to eliminate the whole Sifo Diyas thing. Owens are fine though. Phantom Editor was able to remove the whole "stepbrother" thing.
This is a very different kind of edit from that of the Phantom Editor's. Trooperman really made some very large changes throughout the movie. Sometimes redubbing characters was the best way to change the plot at some points or to cover up wholes left by deleted scenes.
Your best bet to understanding the spirit of this edit would be to go back and read page one.
Oh I know it's a far more drastic edit. I'm just saying that I'm not sure exactly what could be achieved by redubbing Owen. Any weak lines can really be edited out as the phantom editor did and Owen doesn't have enough screen time to really add anything to the story with a redub IMO. btw has anyone thought about turning Geonosis into Tatooine and Naboo into Alderaan? I'd like to see a full-scale battle on Tatooine