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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released) — Page 7

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Originally posted by: Jeten San Hett
I prefer Trooperman's version, but I can change it if you want.


I wasn't suggesting to especially change the opening crawl, which I think is better in Trooperman's version. It was the other changes made to that re-edit that I thought might give him some ideas.
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Thanks, Mr. Freeman! I had already done a lot of that, but that gave me lots of good ideas I had never thought of before. It is especially useful beginning the scene with the council as they are talking about Dooku; that way, Padme doesn't have to come up with a suspicious statement out of the blue, just to introduce the character. Very good stuff.

As for the crawl matching the line in the movie, I realize that that is somewhat odd. How about SHADOW OF THE DARK SIDE?

Jeten San Hett, perhaps if you can't find a server, you could split it up into several .rar files, and email each piece to me separately? But before that happens, I just want to finalize the title and the crawl.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Originally posted by: Mr Freeman
Trooperman, on this page there is a list of changes made to another fan edit. Maybe you can use some of those changes in your version.

Wow, that sounds really impressive. Do you know of any way to acquire this edit?
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Shadow of the Dark Side

That sounds like a Star Wars movie to me. I vote "yes."

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Wow, that sounds really impressive. Do you know of any way to acquire this edit?


Traitor! My edit will be the only one anyone will ever need after it comes out!

No, seriously, if you were to obtain it, the quality wouldn't be so hot (coming from a VCD).

I also get a kick out the fact that this editor claims to have done all of that in 3 days. 3 days! So I don't know how choppy the editing is, considering the short time frame.

But it's great that I now have his game plan, so that I can take advantage of it along with MagnoliaFan's.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Lol, Trooperman.

I'm sure yours will be superior, I'm just interested in collecting as many fan edits as possible.

Just so you know, what most interested me about this was all the alternate music. I know you've discussed using different music before, but that was mostly from non-Star Wars stuff. What do you thnk about Lapti Nek in the night club, an Imperial March when Obi-Wan surveys the clones, and the Imperial Motiff for the Death Star Theme? The final battle could definitely use some new music too; I really like the music at the very end of the End Credits track of the AotC Soundtrack, and think it would be a good addition, but it's far too short for the whole battle. So what do you say, let's talk music.
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I’d love to talk about music. That’s one thing I’m quite good at. I’ve composed a couple Bach-style Inventions (in Baroque style), as well as some other stuff, and I’ve arranged some music as well. Piano’s my main instrument, but I also play violin, euphonium, tuba, organ, and accordion. And I even play the radio.

So the good news is: I’m going to record a couple all-new music cues which will wind up in my edit. The biggest is a tuba cue I have written, which takes the 7-note motif recurring throughout the film, and develops it a bit. So I’ve written it, I’m going to record it, and it will go in the arena scene, when Count Dooku is first seen in that scene. I think that marks the first time that this has been done in a fan edit.

The Death Star motif during the appropriate discussion in the war room is a go.

So is the Imperial March when Obi-Wan surveys the clones.

Lapti-Nek, though, I’m not going to use because:

1. I don’t like the song
2. I don’t want to repeat material from ROTJ, because I’m making my edit specifically to be compatible with the OT.

I also don’t want really bouncy, light music in the nightclub; I want it to be reminiscent of Episode IV, but in the opposite style. Kind of dark and moody, slow swing music. I’m considering using Les Brown’s recording of “Moonlight in Vermont” for this.

However, there’s some kind of tense music by John Williams for a short period before Obi-Wan severs Zam’s limb, and I want that to remain intact, so as not to lose this tension. So, much to my surprise, there’s a point in the nightclub when several of the patrons clap (for no reason). Perfect! I’ll end the song a couple seconds before; therefore, they’re clapping because the song has finished! Then, enter dramatic music (the band is taking a temporary break).

Another option (but probably not one I’ll follow up on) is to record a nightclub-style version of “Across the Stars” on accordion, and put that in, as if it’s a popular song at the time. There are many, many options.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Trooperman,

I just wanted to say congrats on choosing that title. Whether it's "Shroud of the Dark Side" or "Shadow of the Dark Side" - either will be cool. I prefer the former. Anybody else who attempts an edit of Episode II after this will be hard-pressed to surpass yours I think, or at least come up with a cool title.

Also, I am really looking forward to this edit and was wondering if I could create a DVD cover for you? I have some SW DVD templates and would like to muck around in Photoshop for a bit. Please send me the most important details, if you could, via PM, as that would be easier than re-reading this entire thread - and also prevent any errors.

Thanks & Keep up the good work!

To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com

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Sorry for making another post - but wanting this to be seperate from my other one.

On the note of the music in the nightclub;
I know of two alternate sources of music that you could use. One is an artist that transforms ordinary songs into swing/lounge music - his name eludes me at the moment. However, there is the "Sketches on Star Wars" CD that I am listening to right now. It's jazzy/swing renditions of 10 cues of music from the Star Wars saga (IV-VI). The tracklist is as so:

01. Star Wars (Main Title)
02. Yoda's Theme (ESB)
03. Princess Leia's Theme (ANH)
04. Ewok Celebration (ROTJ)
05. Imperial March (ESB)
06. Han Solo and the Princess (ESB)
07. Jabba the Blues ("Han Solo at the Court of Jabba the Hutt" from ROTJ)
08. Luke and Leia (ROTJ)
09. Cantina Band (ANH)
10. May the Force Be With You (ESB)

What I was thinking was, you could use the jazz rendition of the Cantina Band song - I'm pretty sure it fits what kind of music you're looking for. You may want to slow it down just a tad, so it's not so lively, but I think it could work. Plus, it would tie in with the Originals, without repeating music per se. What do you think?

I'm not sure if anybody would've heard of this CD, but I can provide WAV files if needed - would just need filespace access - or I could split-rar it for you and email each piece over the course of a few days.

To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com

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Nor would I. I'm a jazz fan as well; I might just pick that disc up and listen to all of the songs to see which one would fit best into the nightclub.

Even though it's a different recording, I don't neccessarily want to use the same popular song in more than one movie. At this point, though, I'm just listening to a lot of different stuff and considering some other SW stuff. But I do think I'm going to get a hold of that CD; I've heard of it before.

Anybody else who attempts an edit of Episode II after this will be hard-pressed to surpass yours I think, or at least come up with a cool title.


Thanks! Of course, they could just use mine as a template before improving it even more!

Now, I'm thinking that this is going to be the crawl:

Episode II
SHADOW OF THE DARK SIDE

Ten years after the election of Palpatine, unrest pervades the Galactic Senate. Several thousand systems intend to secede from the Republic.

These separatist traitors, under the leadership of the mysterious Count Dooku, have made it especially difficult for the limited number of Jedi Knights to maintain peace and order in the galaxy.

Pursued by ruthless assassins, Senator Amidala returns to Coruscant to vote on the critical issue of creating an ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC to support the overwhelmed Jedi....


And that page from Mr. Freeman has given me some ideas on a couple scenes, the 2nd scene from the beginning, in particular:

Rebel Scumb's version was:

Ki adi Mundi: He's a political idealist, not a murderer.
Mace: You know count dooku was once a jedi, he couldn't assassionate anyone, its not in his character.
Cut to close up of Mace: We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers.
Yoda looks at him then turns to the Palpy's desk as a hologram of a rodian appears.

My version plays out like this:

Ki adi Mundi: He’s a political idealist, not a murderer.
Mace: You know that Count Dooku was once a Jedi. He couldn’t assassinate anyone. It’s not in his character. Close-up. But if they do break away…

Palpatine: My negotiations will not fail.

Mace: If they do, you must realize we’re keepers of the peace, not soldiers. There aren’t enough Jedi to protect the republic.

Palpatine: Master Yoda, do you think it will really come to war?

Yoda: The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see…the future is.


Also, the scene where Mace shows up at the arena. In Rebel Scumb's version...

Dooku: Master windu how pleasant of you to join us.
Mace: This party's over.
(but the other jedi do not appear)
Dooku: Brave, but foolish my old jedi friend, You're impossibly out numbered.
Mace: I don't think so!
Now the jedi army appears for a much better pay off, the music has also been redubbed, it is the triumphant music from when Luke first ignites his saber on the sail barge in RotJ.
Dooku: We'll see.

My version...

Dooku: Master Windu, how pleasant of you to join us. Pause. Cut away to Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme looking up hopefully. But you’re impossibly outnumbered.
Windu: I don’t think so.
Jedi ignite lightsabers. No reaction shot from Obi-Wan, Anakin, etc.
Dooku: We’ll see.



Also, I'm considering this exchange for my radically changed "forbidden kiss" scene:

Padme: We would swim to that island every day. I love the water.
Padme is chattering, Anakin’s bored to death. He wants to talk about other things.
Anakin: Padme…I love you. (in place of “I don’t like sand”)
Padme looks at Anakin.
Anakin: I’ve loved you ever since I first saw you, ten years ago. I was afraid to tell you before. But it’s true. (instead of “and smooth.”)

Padme: I can’t. Pause. It’s not possible…
Anakin: Why not?
Padme: That was forbidden for a Jedi.
Anakin: They wouldn’t have to know.
Padme: We’d be living a lie. I couldn’t do that. Could you, Anakin? Could you live like that?
Anakin: I’m sorry, Padme. You’re right. It would destroy us.


I am still very much rewriting this and trying to make it flow more smoothly, but that's a start. I have also deleted the scene with the floating pair (originally directly before the kiss scene), because I realized Padme is wearing different outfits in the two scenes. The scene was never that good to begin with, anyhow.

Thanks for all your support! I'm very excited that this could be becoming a collaborative project, with a few different people involved doing things I'm not capable of on my own.

Trooperman

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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On the second scene from the beginning, are you going to cut the "seeing you brings warm feelings to my heart" and Padme completely ignoring Yoda? That is one of the most annoying things in the movie, to me. It just bugs me, makes Yoda seem less of a character, and less respected.
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Yes, that line is long gone. I couldn't stand it either!

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Yes, that line is long gone. I couldn't stand it either!


WOW - I've read most of the thread now...

This sounds so awesome please keep us all posted and BEST of luck - it's great to see others getting involved!

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Thanks, Rikter!

I'm really trying not to boast about this a lot (until I'm finished), but another plus with this project is that it will probably be the first one to be completed after seeing all 6 films in context (and therefore seeing what's important, what will come back later on). I can also possibly take advantage of the Revenge of the Sith soundtrack as well in this film, if warranted.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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That's really cool, Trooperman; didn't know you were such a music aficionado. I have a couple of friends who are music majors that would probably appreciate it a lot more than me, however. The Dooku/Seperatist theme was almost a theme, but not quite, so that's cool that you'll be fleshing it out. And that's a good point about it coming after the saga is finally complete; that should give you quite an advantage.

Some other thoughts on the edit:
-Rebel Scumb also inserted the music from RotJ when Luke first gets his lightsaber when the Jedi reveal themselves in the arena. I think that might really enhance the scene.
-And thinking about the lightsaber duel, maybe you could work it where Dooku force pushes Anakin across the room at the beginning? Just a thought, because I like Anakin's reckless charging at Dooku and paying *some* price for it.

And sorry I'm not able to help in any practical way, but I'll always be around as a creative consultant!
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What is Rebel Scumb?
If no-one can see the Force, is it really there?
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
What is that? I've heard about it a lot, and saw it a few times on SciFi, but it just seemed to be some old asian terrible dubbed disaster film.


It's the only TV show worth watching. Or should I say, was...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094517/

Joel Robinson (later Mike Nelson), and the bots Crow and Servo are trapped in a spaceship orbiting the Earth. Dr. Forrester and TV Frank (later Pearl) show them bad, bad movies to make them go insane. They talk during the films, making hilarious comments thru it.



Living in the UK i watched this on ITV late one night, strangely enough it was listed as a 2 hour tv movie & not a series....

i was explaining the synopsis to one of my friends the other day & couldnt remember what it was called so thank you very much for jogging my memory
Evil dude: "You do not no pain, you do not know fear. You will taste MAN FLESH"

Evil ugly dudes: "YIPPEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
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There was 2 hour movie as well as a series. For the shows they would jump through various parts of the film to make it only an hour long, but the movie showed the entire B film. I think they were forced to watch "This Island Earth" or something in the movie.

Some of the characters were different in the movie as well. In the movie it was a demented professor that was holding there, in the show it was evil woman and her two henchmen. One looked like he was from the planet of the Apes and I can't remember what the other looked like.
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Don't really have much to contribute to this other than saying thanks for doing it Trooperman. I dug the Mag Fan edits also(minus the backwards Spanish, but the subtitles made up for it), and I think I'll like yours even more based on what you've mentioned.

Oh, and Shroud of the Dark Side = much better title IMO, even if it's mentioned in the movie.
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Thanks.

-Rebel Scumb also inserted the music from RotJ when Luke first gets his lightsaber when the Jedi reveal themselves in the arena. I think that might really enhance the scene.

I know I'm going to replace that weird music originally present; it could very well be that cue.

-And thinking about the lightsaber duel, maybe you could work it where Dooku force pushes Anakin across the room at the beginning? Just a thought, because I like Anakin's reckless charging at Dooku and paying *some* price for it.

Good idea- but I'm not sure how to make it work with available footage.

And sorry I'm not able to help in any practical way, but I'll always be around as a creative consultant!


Great!


I've been thinking and experimenting with Yoda vs. Dooku, and I have found that it is possible that the confrontation might be powerful enough without any lightning or lightsabers- with the proper music. The current "music" is just a lot of punctuated blasts setting up for something that isn't going to happen. So I experimented and used the triumphant cue with Yoda's theme way back from TESB, when Yoda levitates Luke's ship from the X-Wing. And I was really surprised.

Once I had it synchronized well, it made the scene very powerful and dramatic, and it worked very well without the lightning. It's amazing how the music can change a small scene used to set up the next two into a very powerful climax, which it is. I'm also considering removing Yoda's earlier line, "Bring me a ship." That way, there is no anticipation for a big fight with Yoda, and when Yoda walks in to save the Jedi, it comes as a complete surprise, and a triumphant moment.

I'm very, very pleased with my current cut of that scene, now.

What is Rebel Scumb?

A forum member who created a "lost" edit of Episode II. A detailed list of the changes still remains, however.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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I've been thinking and experimenting with Yoda vs. Dooku, and I have found that it is possible that the confrontation might be powerful enough without any lightning or lightsabers- with the proper music.


Why are you so insistent on cutting the entire fight? If you want to save lightning to the final film of each trilogy, then it's understanstandable, but the Yoda-Douku fight is the best lightsaber fight in the film by far. It would be like cutting the Burly Brawl out of The Matrix Revolutions!

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The only reason that it is the best fight (as far as speed and excitement) is because Christopher Lee doesn't know how to swordfight. I just think that it looks modern, it's kind of unbelievable, and it would not have been done in the 70's or 80's, and I'm trying to age this movie a little bit, give it a more classic feeling.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Sorry. Why do you so badly want to cut out the fight between Dooku and Yoda? If I were doing it, I'd cut the flips and stuff, because that just looks stupid, and I might cut the lightning, for the reasons already mentioned, but I really like the lightsaber stuff.

The rocks etc Dooku uses the force to fall on Yoda look really fake, and I would kinda do it so they were cut out as well. I don't really like the bit when Dooku escapes because of Yoda using the force, so it would be really good (and kinda impossible) if you could cut it so the bit when Anakin jumps over to save Obi Wan, could you cut that so Anakin actually jumps to save Yoda and then Dooku cuts off Anakin's arm and uses the force to chuck him next to Obi Wan, then you see Dooku getting on his ship? I understand that this would take a long time to make it work, and to delete all the bits before it.

It would probably be way too hard to do, but it would look a lot better than what it is now (I think)
If no-one can see the Force, is it really there?