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I've been following this for a while and am really looking forward to the film once you're done.

I know this is a little OT, but what is the font that is used for "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...." card at the beginning of the films?

Thanks for the help.

savage.

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Hi Savage- Nice to hear you are also following the project! After the long delays, I really can't wait to have it done.

I believe that the original lettering that was used is unknown. I tried to find that info a while ago, but nobody seemed to know. For the 2004 DVD's, it's some variant of News Gothic. I just took my card from Empire of Dreams and scaled it to match the OOT exactly.


Originally posted by: musicman
I trust you have everything backed up...riiight? That would be awesome if after this month you can focus on audio--but don't rush at the expense of quality.

As far as the theme goes, that is a dilemma. Do you have more of the score, or is it just the track from "The Sea Hawk"? I don't hear anything in that track that would match very smoothly as the opening of the end credits, unfortunately. If you can make it work, though, that's fine. At the same time, I do now recall that John Williams had the Rebel Fanfare in the opening of the end credits of the PT, even though it didn't chronologically debut until ROTS, because, in the spirit of the "serial" feel they were going for, the end credits music remained a constant throughout the saga, tying it together in just that little touch. So even with the approach you're going for, I don't think it would be inappropriate to keep the end credits opening the same; it would simply be a matter of preference. Both ways have their merits.


I don't have any more of the King's Row score at this time. I've looked on Amazon, however, and there appears to be a digital recording of a large portion of "King's Row" done in the late 1980's. I'll probably be picking that up soon...

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Trooperman,

Thanks for the reply. I'm trying to whip up some custom DVD covers and wanted to use the same font for a portion of it. I guess the search continues...

edit: News Gothic BT works just fine. Not exactly correct, but close enough for me. Now back to our regularly scheduled topic...

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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Hi Savage- Nice to hear you are also following the project! After the long delays, I really can't wait to have it done.

I believe that the original lettering that was used is unknown. I tried to find that info a while ago, but nobody seemed to know. For the 2004 DVD's, it's some variant of News Gothic. I just took my card from Empire of Dreams and scaled it to match the OOT exactly.


Originally posted by: musicman
I trust you have everything backed up...riiight? That would be awesome if after this month you can focus on audio--but don't rush at the expense of quality.

As far as the theme goes, that is a dilemma. Do you have more of the score, or is it just the track from "The Sea Hawk"? I don't hear anything in that track that would match very smoothly as the opening of the end credits, unfortunately. If you can make it work, though, that's fine. At the same time, I do now recall that John Williams had the Rebel Fanfare in the opening of the end credits of the PT, even though it didn't chronologically debut until ROTS, because, in the spirit of the "serial" feel they were going for, the end credits music remained a constant throughout the saga, tying it together in just that little touch. So even with the approach you're going for, I don't think it would be inappropriate to keep the end credits opening the same; it would simply be a matter of preference. Both ways have their merits.


I don't have any more of the King's Row score at this time. I've looked on Amazon, however, and there appears to be a digital recording of a large portion of "King's Row" done in the late 1980's. I'll probably be picking that up soon...


Okay, cool. It is slightly expensive for a CD. Is it worth it to you just to listen to? Because if not, I might be able to request a trade for an uncompressed copy of it on JWFan for you.

Trooperman, you are still planning to at least record the dubs for ROTS, right? If so, I have some ideas for the duel...

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Originally posted by: Trooperman I don't have any more of the King's Row score at this time. I've looked on Amazon, however, and there appears to be a digital recording of a large portion of "King's Row" done in the late 1980's. I'll probably be picking that up soon...


Try ebay. I found a copy of the soundtrack on the Australian ebay site for like, $10!
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Musicman, what are your ideas for the duel in ROTS?
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I'm hesitant, because I don't want the thread to be crowded with talk of Episode III. However, some foresight might help here, so...

Basically I'm thinking in terms of, instead of changing the "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" line (to something like "Padme once thought..."), making the duel fit with it. Obi-Wan should be on the defensive the whole time, reaching out to Anakin. He's torn throughout the whole duel. Remove any indication that Obi-Wan has made up his mind as to what he will do--much more tense, kind of like in "The Searchers," when through the whole climax, you didn't know what John Wayne would do when he got to her. As it is, the more I see it, the more sure of himself he seems, and then when Obi-Wan says "Don't try it," it seems rather schizophrenic. So keep out any decisiveness. It's not until he leaves the cliff that he finally makes his choice.

It might be a bit of a special effects challenge, but for starters, cut out the "Only a Sith deals an absolutes. I will do what I must." shot, including Obi-Wan igniting his saber. I don't have any details on dialogue, but make Anakin say something instead of "You will try." Then, in the shot where Anakin jumps, erase Obi-Wan's saber, and if possible (adywan...?), make it so he isn't in a fighting stance. So, Anakin's starting the fight here.

Throughout the duel, make Obi-Wan more defensive: for instance, cut the shot where Obi-Wan nearly stabs Anakin on the table.

Now, when they get across and the lava starts exploding, there are some shots where Obi-Wan and Anakin's faces can't be seen. If we can find a good Ewan McGregor impersonator, and Trooperman's dubbing Anakin, then I'll be really excited. Have Obi-Wan reaching out to Anakin, perhaps all the way through the swinging part.

Then, when we get to the irrelevant dialogue ("I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over!" "Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!" "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!" "Then you are lost!" Ummm...what just happened here?) I'm thinking change it some, to something along the lines of this:

ANAKIN
I should have known the Dark Side had the true power!

OBI-WAN
Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!

ANAKIN
The Jedi are evil!

I'm not sure what to go with next. Obi-Wan's saying "You are lost!" seems pretty decisive, but I don't know what to make him say instead.

Then when Obi-Wan jumps off to the cliff, it goes something like this:

OBI-WAN
It's over, Anakin!

CUT TO: Anakin

OBI-WAN (cont., pleading emphatically)
Come with me, please!

Anakin is silent, and Obi-Wan begins to see what he's planning.

OBI-WAN
Don't try it.

This way, it's a much smoother progression. In the first line, he's trying to cut off the fighting. In the second, he's pouring everything he's got into this plea. And then he sees what's happening, and he's crestfallen, slowly realizing what he would do, and begs once, more, quietly, for him not to jump. But he does. Anakin's silence (a la ADigitalMan's cut) is now much deeper and heavier. With a lot of these changes, so much of the body language and silence will be much more meaningful.

And then I'm thinking it might be good to cut Obi-Wan's bawling Anakin out, but I'm not sure. It could also come across as Obi-Wan finally venting from all of the strain. Another possibility is to change the dialogue, perhaps omitting the frames where he is seen talking, but I'm not sure where to go with it, exactly.

So, the dialogue is pretty hazy for me. I'd have to think about it, and any of the more experienced dialogue writers around here can take a stab at it. Some altering of the conversation between Anakin and Obi-Wan before the duel might be in order. It always struck me as odd that that whole time, not once did Obi-Wan even try to ask Anakin what was happening, why he was doing what he was doing. If we can even approach fixing that, it would be a big help, but just for him to reach out to Anakin would be much more satisfying. If anyone can do Obi-Wan's voice, this could be really awesome, and be a big help in improving ROTS.

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I like it. This ought to be in the Starkiller ranch thread. But I likes it.
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How about after Anakin would say, "The Jedi are evil," Obi-Wan says, "If you believe that, then you are lost!"
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Yeah, I'll post it there, also, but weezer asked, and I also wanted to make sure Trooperman was planning to dub ROTS still (I would assume he is). Thanks, Sluggo!

My only problem with the whole concept of that line is that it seems like Obi-Wan has made up his mind then and there, and then a few seconds later on the cliff, it's like he changed his mind and he's trying to get Anakin to stop, and then a moment later, he's bawling Anakin out and leaves him to burn. Instead of having any tension as to what Obi-Wan will do, it just ends up being confusing.
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Okay, cool. It is slightly expensive for a CD. Is it worth it to you just to listen to?

Yes, I collect soundtracks anyway and I'm a Korngold fan, so might as well buy the disc. Thanks anyway, though.


Trooperman, you are still planning to at least record the dubs for ROTS, right?

Definitely. And it's not as if I'll completely vanish after SOTDS- in fact there are a couple scenes I'd really like to edit myself no matter what happens, because I have very specific ideas (the fight with General Grievous and his bodyguards at the beginning, and the saber duel at the beginning).

Try ebay. I found a copy of the soundtrack on the Australian ebay site for like, $10!

Thanks! I'll check it out.

Those are some great Ep. III ideas, Musicman- I'll post a couple thoughts in the Starkiller Thread.

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Work continues- working on encoding the video. It's frustrating when you render out a section and there's just one little glitch and you have to go back and do it all over again. It's coming, though.

Oh, and I don't know if I've mentioned this in a while, but I am purposely putting a little grain back into the picture. It's so small that most of the time, you don't even realize what you're seeing, only that the picture is softer, the stars seem to twinkle, etc.

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Good deal. Korngold rules. I need to get some albums of his.

And, I am glad that you are thinking of ROTS AND are adding grain. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One of the things that stood out to me, even when comparing AOTC and ROTS to TPM, was that super-razor-blade-sharp digital look. It's just not Star Wars. I look forward to seeing the PT shot on film.
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Wow, I never thought I'd see this thread drop to page three!

So TM, anything new to report?

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Originally posted by: Dantha Fodder
Originally posted by: Trooperman I don't have any more of the King's Row score at this time. I've looked on Amazon, however, and there appears to be a digital recording of a large portion of "King's Row" done in the late 1980's. I'll probably be picking that up soon...



Trooperman,

If it's the title below, it no problem for me to get it (and send a copy to you)

Artiest: Kings Row
CD Titel: Soundtrack
Order-info: Turning Point ACD 85707
Total Playtime: 0:48:08
Song Nr. Songtitel Time
1. Main title 23:38
2. Finale 24:30

Let me know ASAP!

With kind regards,
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So TM, anything new to report?

Yes, but I'm kind of reluctant to report it. This time, my HD didn't crash- my whole computer crashed (within a couple days of Adywan's machine crashing, funny enough). This was almost two weeks ago. I've been working on a solution and I think I'll be up and running in the next couple of days. I'm annoyed because I've lost some valuable time and only 1/3 of the film is encoded.

Luckily, I learned from my previous close call and had everything backed up. Everything except... the fonts, which didn't even occur to me. I lost them all.

If anyone could PM me with downloads of any or all of the fonts below, I would appreciate it so much...

-The Univers family
-The "News Gothic" family
-AltGoth3d font (not sure of the exact name- I was using this for subtitles)
-Rikter's bundle of Star Wars fonts (including the "Episode I" font)

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Artiest: Kings Row
CD Titel: Soundtrack
Order-info: Turning Point ACD 85707
Total Playtime: 0:48:08
Song Nr. Songtitel Time
1. Main title 23:38
2. Finale 24:30


Yes, that's the disc- thanks a lot for the offer, but I think I'll be purchasing it myself for the personal collection. One thing you could do (or anyone else who happens to have this disc) is to listen to the recording and listen to see if that main theme shows up on the recording (besides the 2 minute Main Title). I'm sure it is a recurring theme in the actual soundtrack, but I have no idea which cues they rerecorded for this release.

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All right, this is pretty depressing, but time for some good news- my FX shots are in. All that remains FXwise is for me to finish the sabers and the credits. TJDavis from the "Reborn" project helped me out on the droid analysis scene (now very different from the original), and Adywan has also contributed a couple of shots near the end of the film- to make Dooku's escape work. I am extremely grateful to both of them. Thank you, guys


Anyway, I should be running again pretty soon, and at that point, I will do my very best to finish the video by the end of THIS month of March. That'll give me over a month to finesse the audio and still leave time for a test screening and final audio tweaks.

Please bear with me,

TM

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Emperor Jar-Jar
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I'm not at my PC at the moment so I'm sure someone else will beat me to sending you the fonts. However, I wanted to point out something about the "Episode I" font. It is merely two fonts merged into one by a fan. The capital letters are Trajan, the lowercase letters are Albertus MT. I recommend that whatever you're using them for (I assume it's a logo in the style of the prequels: Episode II: SOTDS) that you reconsider and use Trajan PRO and Albertus MT as the fanmade Episode I font does have some problems.

To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com

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Originally posted by: klokwerk
I'm not at my PC at the moment so I'm sure someone else will beat me to sending you the fonts.


Actually, nobody beat you to the fonts! If you could do that for me if you get the chance, I'd really appreciate it.

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On a side note, I was just looking at the "Reborn" thread and getting very worried. Steve received the following letter from Lucasfilm:



From: Lucasfilm Ltd.

To: Steve

Re: Unauthorized Use of STAR WARS Copyrights and Trademarks on website:

http://www.myspace.com/starwarsreborn

Gentlemen:

Lucasfilm Ltd. and its affiliated and related entities (collectively "Lucasfilm") are the exclusive owners of all rights in and to the Star Wars films, Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope, Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi, Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace, Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones and Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. Those motion pictures and the characters and unique elements which appear therein (the "STAR WARS Copyrights and Trademarks") are protected by the copyright and trademark laws of the United States and other nations.

We note that STAR WARS Copyrights and Trademarks are being posted and distributed on the above website without Lucasfilm's authorization ("Unauthorized Items"). This unauthorized use of STAR WARS Copyrights and Trademarks constitutes copyright infringement, trademark infringement and unfair competition. By this letter, we request that you immediately suspend and/or disable the account of the above website and/or that you immediately remove the Unauthorized Items from the above website.

We further request written assurance that you will comply with this demand. Lucasfilm is the exclusive owner of all relevant rights in and to the Star Wars Films. Pursuant to the DMCA, we have a good faith belief that any items falling into the categories identified above infringe Lucasfilm's copyrights and other intellectual property rights, and are not authorized by Lucasfilm or its agents. I am authorized to act on Lucasfilm's behalf regarding these matters. The information provided in this communication is accurate to the best of my knowledge and is provided under penalty of perjury.

Thank you for your cooperation. Nothing in this letter shall be construed as a waiver or relinquishment of any right or remedy possessed by Lucasfilm or any other affected party, all of which are expressly reserved.

Sincerely,

Lucasfilm Ltd., (Antipiracy)

Business Affairs




As Steve said, although the focus is on the copyrighted images, it is more of a warning that Lucasfilm has its eye on this type of thing. I am a bit paranoid and I don't want to get into any trouble with Lucasfilm; I can't afford it.

Don't worry! I'm not saying that this is a dead project. All I'm saying is that I am certainly not going to do a massive sending operation from my home. A Lucasfilm employee gets on, asks for a copy, I send it to him, and I get myself into massive trouble.

Therefore, I would feel more comfortable if this release "slips out" into the community. I will send it to as few people as possible (a very trusted group), and they will take steps to ensure that everyone sees this through PIF and torrents. But after this is done, I'm going to do everything I can to distance myself personally from it to avoid any kind of trouble, because I've not only used Star Wars footage, I've used music from other soundtracks and a couple short clips from other films, and I'm not sure of the legality of that. I really don't want to get in trouble over this.

Over and out,

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Trooperman,

It's sad to see the C&D letter have such chilling effects on this community, and I understand your concerns. I'm glad to see you're still moving ahead, albeit with a lower profile. Would you care to comment on how this whole ordeal will affect any involvement you planned on having with the Starkiller Ranch?

On a different note, it's awesome that Adywan and TJDavis were able to collaberate with you on this, and it makes me that much more excited to see the final results!

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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TM, Check yer personal email. Hopefully something helpful is there.
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Why don't we all just ask permission from Lucasfilm? You can do that for non-profit related things all the time. I got permission to play a Johnny Lang song a few year ago on public access and it didn't cost me anything...God what makes me mad is the "unfair competition" line, as if this umbrella term really applies to the them. I know it's generic protection for all copyright owners, poor and rich. But still.

Why do I have to buy Star Wars when I can see screenshots of it on this website???!!!

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I think asking for permission is definitely the wrong way to go.

Lucasfilm's endorsement of the Star Wars fan film competitions has already created a grey area that fan edits can possibly fit in. Asking them to come down on one side of the issue will probably move them to come down on the most conservative side of the issue - no fan edits.

With Lucasfilm, it all seems to be about your profile. In almost every situation I've heard of, they ony go after people who call attention to themselves. Laying low seems like the best course of action.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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It does seem rather frightening. However, I really don't think it's an issue for you, Trooperman. I'm pretty sure this has been discussed on the Reborn thread, but I think the major concern was that this was being done on MySpace, which has millions of people who could be getting free (although edited) versions of Star Wars, as opposed to a small but dedicated fan community who is active in using their creativity in not-for-profit ways. Nothing at all has come against anyone who has done anything here. MagnoliaFan hasn't gotten any issues, nor has ADM, adywan, or anyone else. They all kept it here. It's pretty clear that nothing's being sold here, also. I really think it was because of the publicity that is on MySpace, especially since official movie studios have begun using it for advertising.

Yes, definitely keep safe. But I don't think it's really necessary to go extra-underground, if you see what I'm saying. If you keep it on the level that you've had it, I don't see any reason why there would be any problems.

You must do what you feel is right, of course...

In the meantime, it's great that you've gotten that help. I'm glad the Analysis Droid scene is fixed up!
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To the person who thinks it's a good idea to ask for permission from Lucasfilm:

It's not a situation where you're asking artist-to-artist for permission and they're going to understand your lack of funds and admire your creative tenacity. These are lawyers. They're not nice guys. It's an entire office of legal eagles called the "antipiracy" division, and it's their job to uphold the law to the letter when it comes to these things because that's how they a) generate revenue, and b) legitimize their department's existence.

Lucasfilm is more benevolently tolerant than other studios when it comes to these matters. But that doesn't mean we have license to do whatever we want. That's why they send Cease & Desist letters, to give a fan who wasn't aware that it's illegal to do this sort of thing a chance to make it right before they get slapped with a lawsuit.

The other thing is, if you go to them and say, I've ripped the movies to my harddrive by bypassing the copy protection Lucasfilm embedded into the DVD, and now I intend to create a "fan edit" by altering the original, then distributing to as many people as possible for free, you've already admitted to committing a crime.

It's quite possible that they went to my MySpace page and just saw all the images and sent me the letter outright, without delving too deeply into what the site was for. There's a chance they might not've even noticed the fan edit stuff. If I write them back and ask for permission, I'm calling even more attention and risking even more legal action.

So, I just think my biggest mistake was setting up the MySpace page. There are so many people on there and you can't control who sees what. I don't think anyone on this site is in danger except for maybe the ones with MySpace pages like MagFan or Jambe Davdar.

And come May, if I send a few copies of Reborn out to a few of my friends on this site, and one of those copies just happens to show up on some torrent site somewhere or a PIF chain, then...oh well...what can I do?

I don't think you have anything to worry about Trooperman, as long as you stick to this site.

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Originally posted by: InfoDroid
I don't think you have anything to worry about Trooperman, as long as you stick to this site.


I agree. I think that its the whole MySpace issue that has caused this. That reaches a far wider audience than this site does and therefore may have made it look like a commercial release, or at least one that may be at one day released for sale.

It is a worrying time for all of us doing these edits but i had a legal friend of mine look over this letter and she said that it was just a formal notice to remove the copywrited images & footage from the site or to remove the site completely. A site like MySpace is classed as a website that can be used for commercial & promotional purposes and can be seen to do so by anyone visiting it.

Its a pretty safe bet that Lucas is fully aware about this site and i would have thought that if it was a clamp down on fan edits then OT.com would have been slapped with the same notice as the "REBORN" MySpace site was by now.

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Its a pretty safe bet that Lucas is fully aware about this site and i would have thought that if it was a clamp down on fan edits then OT.com would have been slapped with the same notice as the "REBORN" MySpace site was by now.


Also, last time I checked www.starwarslegacy.com was still up, and that website is about as up front as you can be with a fan project. I think Lucasfilm doesn't care so much about our hobbies in of themselves, but the out-and-out proclamation of distribution (which a www.myspace.com page could seem to imply) is a BIG "no no."