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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released) — Page 6

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Commander Courage:

You get the idea -- although the limit of using what's available and making it fit into the first sequences of the film will put a spin on it.

The clearer this idea comes across though, that Anakin is seeing his mother in pain as Luke saw his friends in pain will make Hayden's perfomance and Anakin's rebelliousness make sense storywise. As it stands, Anakin in AOTC just seems to be inexplicably headstrong and contrary. You just watch him bitch and think "what a dick." IF you knew Obi Wan was preventing him from saving his mom -- that would justify Anakin a lot.

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That's great. I wonder if it would work in the Coruscant chase scene.

It does work very well in that scene, for toning down the bright yellow and green speeders.

As a matter of fact, this desaturation looks great on every scene; I'm tempted to just apply it to the whole movie (but I won't).

BTW, I still say leave the muzzle flash out entirely. It isn't really realistic to have a bright white flash everytime a blaster fires. It's not like they have any powder to burn. The only light from a blaster should come from the beam itself.

I'll think about this.

MTHaslett: I would love your specific suggestions on how to pull this off. If it could be established early on that Obi-Wan is actually preventing Anakin from rescuing his mother, then the whole film would make more sense and become more powerful. I'm very interested.

Have you decided on a name yet?


It's "Attack of the Clones" unless someone else can help me out and do a new crawl for "Attack of the Separatists", "Dark Force Rising", or "Shroud of the Dark Side", all of which are titles I would use. But at this time, I don't have the means to do a new crawl.

Which of the CGI shots are you going to desaturate?


All of the ones that stand out to me as looking "CG", with overly bright colors. If it doesn't irritate me, then it will most likely not be changed. But definite changes are the first scene with Palpatine and the council, the Coruscant chase scene, the Jedi Council scene, the Palpatine/Anakin scene, and the droid factory scene.

Of the "half bluescreen half CG" shots, are you going to desaturate parts of the shot?


No, that would get really difficult really quickly.

And for the record, I dubbed the first bit of Anakin dialogue today and synchronized it with the film to see how it would work. Just a tiny clip in the garage scene, when Anakin says, "I hate them!" at the end. Man, my voice is hoarse after doing that a dozen times! But I'm really pleased and encouraged with the results.

I'm reconsidering and thinking that perhaps I'll do the dubbing first, mix that into the original film, and then start editing after I know what I've got to work with. Then, I can always redo some lines if I need to. But I don't really need to edit the whole film before recording the dialogue; I've almost got everything cut, color change, or dialogue change I'm going to do on paper.

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Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Trooperman:

I will give specific suggestions as soon as I can re: establishing the impact of Anakin's dream.

But regarding the opening scroll issue -- You must have thought of this already, but I have to ask why can't you just use the opening scroll from MagFan's "The Clone War"? I guess I would like this because I really like MagFan's work on "Balance of the Force" but suspect your Episode II cut will supercede his in my book.

You have to admit, "The Clone War" is a pretty kick-ass title. Is it really out of the question?

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The Clone War is a little generic, don't you think?

If you find a way to re-do it, Shroud of the Dark Side would be best, I think.

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Guys,
I'm 13 and I could do the title in about 2 mins in after effects. Just keyframe a mask with a bit of feathering and put the original footage in track 2, with a random starfield as a mask. Thne put your title "Shroud of the dark side" on top of everything and keyframe it with a bit of 3d perspective.

I guess, if people were occupied reading the credits, they aren't likely to notice the change of starfield. (depending on how much feathering you put in.

The desaturated shots sound really great, I always hated the "plasticy" colour of the speeders.

hope i've been helpful,

Jeten
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Oh, yeah and I would probably desaturate the whole movie, but just by a small, almost unnoticeable amount.
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But regarding the opening scroll issue -- You must have thought of this already, but I have to ask why can't you just use the opening scroll from MagFan's "The Clone War"? I guess I would like this because I really like MagFan's work on "Balance of the Force" but suspect your Episode II cut will supercede his in my book.

I don't really care for that title. The film really isn't about the Clone War, it's about bigger things. Plus, you don't really see much of it in this movie.

Also, I don't have a DVD quality copy of MagnoliaFan's film (and I don't want to try to get it through the mail, because I'm kind of paranoid about personal information being attached to this.)

If you find a way to re-do it, Shroud of the Dark Side would be best, I think.


I like it, too, partly because it's the only one I came up with myself! I just thought it tied everything up nicely, when Yoda said, "The shroud of the Dark Side has fallen. Begun, the Clone War has." It's more of a "big picture" title, like "A New Hope."

I'm 13 and I could do the title in about 2 mins in after effects. Just keyframe a mask with a bit of feathering and put the original footage in track 2, with a random starfield as a mask. Thne put your title "Shroud of the dark side" on top of everything and keyframe it with a bit of 3d perspective.


Could you do it for me and post it for download, perhaps


And again, I'm very interested in establishing at the beginning that Obi-Wan is keeping Anakin from saving his mother. Keep in mind when thinking about this that I can make Anakin say whatever I want, when he is not facing camera straight-on.

Therefore, here are some changes in how the scene in the garage will run:

Anakin: I'm good at fixing things. I always was.

Anakin: It’s all Kenobi’s fault. He’s jealous. He held me back!

Anakin: I killed them. (suddenly quiet, lamenting). I killed them all. (getting angry). They're dead. Every damned one of them.

The lines will be read differently, as well. Anakin is really, really agitated at this point.

“And not just the men.” (read with higher voice, intense). “but the women.” (snarling). “and the children, too. They’re like animals” (building) “and I slaughtered them like animals.” (screaming).

The "To be angry is to be human...I know I'm better than this" exchange is cut. Actually, it was never in the original film to begin with. But I don't want Anakin to be sorry about what he has done. I want him to scream, "I hate them, at the camera, and go to the next scene as he sits down.



Another kind of fun dialogue addition to the beginning of the saber duel:

Obi-Wan: We'll take him together. CUT to shot of Dooku looking at them. Voice-over:
Anakin: As you wish.

He loved to say that in the OT; why not tie it into this movie?

And as a final note, the scene on Naboo with the new queen has been cut. There was no critical plot info there, and while it would have been a problem were the romance scenes in their current order, we now have the scene with Padme's family to establish the pair's location.

Thanks for all the interest, everyone! You guys are really motivating me to work on this and to get it done.

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Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Can you do it for me


Sure, but I don't have the original footage. Also, I don't have a place to upload it to. Where can I upload it? can you post the footage here and tell me the name you want?
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I can't post it here, but I can look into free filespace in the future. That would be really neat, though.

And as far as getting the original footage, if you wanted to do it for your personal benefit but I was not able to get the footage to you, then you could use "interlibrary loan" at your local library to request the official DVD. Basically how it works is if the library does not have what you want, then it mails out requests to every library in the state until it gets a copy. Then, they loan it to you for free. That's how I came to have fullscreen copies of the original OT, and also widescreen copies of the SE's.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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But how can I rip this?
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With two freeware programs called: DVD Shrink and VOB Rator.

DVD Shrink eliminates copyright and copies any section you want to your hard drive (in .vob format).

VOB Rator turns the .vob into MPEG-2 for editing.

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Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Erm, isn't that illegal?
Anyway, I already have a copy of Star wars AOTC, but the resolution is only 720x576 - 25fps. I captured it through my camcorder. What do you want call it?
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Erm, isn't that illegal?


Ha ha! Not if all you want to do is make a backup copy for yourself. And if I want to do more than that, I justify it to myself by knowing that since I already bought their disc, I'm not causing them to lose any money whatsoever.

And I didn't realize you lived in England, in PAL land. But that's OK; I can convert it to 30 frames/sec. easily.

As for the title? I think I'm going to use "Shroud of the Dark Side." I think that should fit across the screen (using the normal font).

Thanks!

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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I didn't realise you lived in PAL land


Hey, you mean it's actually 1PM where you r?! Jesus, it's only 7 here.

Exactly what colour and font is the writing?
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What is your emaill address because I can email you as an attachment.
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hat is your emaill address because I can email you as an attachment.


Wonderful! Turn your PM's on in your profile, and I will respond privately.

And here is good reference for color and font: Opening Crawl

Thanks again!

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Aaargh! I have realised my video is corrupt and can't be opened with AE! Pleeaase could you attach a mov/avi on the email address on your PM? that would be really helpful.
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Ok, Ok, I am using Window Movie Maker (blech!) to get an editable version of the sequence. It seeems to be working.
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I have removed the title. All I need to do now is animate a new title.
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Yay!!

I've Finished!!! It looks quite good if I may say so myself. Tell me, Trooperman, what format do you want it in? I am rendering as a Microsoft Avi, 30 kfps. It is called "Shroud of the dark side". What is your e-mail address?
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I have emailed you with the info.

And to everyone else, Jeten San Hett has been kind enough to redo the opening crawl for my edit specifically.

The official title of this film is SHROUD OF THE DARK SIDE, and the crawl is as follows:

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Unrest pervades the Galactic Senate. Several thousand solar systems have declared their intentions to secede from the Republic.

These separatist traitors, under the leadership of the mysterious Count Dooku, have made it especially difficult for the limited number of Jedi Knights to maintain peace and order in the galaxy.

Pursued by ruthless assassins, Senator Amidala returns to Coruscant to vote on the critical issue of creating an ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC to support the overwhelmed Jedi….

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Ok, I have completely replaced the opening footage. This one is flipped. Does anyone have a server I can post it on? It is an AVI, NTSC, 43MB, good quality. There is no audio, though.
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Good pick on "Shroud of the Darkside." My ONLY reservation with it is that the title is mentioned in the film, which doesn't happen in any of the other films, and cam sometimes come off as a bit odd.

On the opening scroll, you seem to be keeping it as close to the original as possible, but I think "star systems" is more appropriate than "solar systems." I don't know why Lucas didn't think of this, as SOLar systems refers to our star, Sol. Also, would you consider working a line in there to convey its been 10 years since the last movie?
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Trooperman, on this page there is a list of changes made to another fan edit. Maybe you can use some of those changes in your version.
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I prefer Trooperman's version, but I can change it if you want.
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