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Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released) — Page 53
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I have to say, I like seeing both words for "STAR WARS" at the top-- to keep this from being too much like the ESB logo which had "Star" on top and "Wars" at the bottom.
Great work! I think that logo on top of the painted Clone War image from the Art of Star Wars book cover would be incredible and very OT.
*How do you upload images to these posts?
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However, I don't think I'll end up using any of them for SOTDS.Now; let's take a look at the recent remarks & critiques:
Originally posted by: Bespinsec
Klokwerk, those slimmed down logos in the rectangular shapes (7-8) look great, especially #8. Good work, real potential there.
Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Great work! I think that logo on top of the painted Clone War image from the Art of Star Wars book cover would be incredible and very OT.
I agree. Does anybody have the "Art of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones" book? It would be great if some material could be scanned for me to use in my cover.Klokwerk, those slimmed down logos in the rectangular shapes (7-8) look great, especially #8. Good work, real potential there.
Originally posted by: InfoDroid
Yeah, out of those, I like #8 the best. I thought number 8 was going to be well-received. I guess you guys are gonna like 9 & 10 then. 
I LOVE these logos. I have to say I think a combo of #4 and #8 would be my idea of perfect - take the top line of #4 and put it on top of the BIG bottom line of #8. Beauty. Then, maybe try slanting the whole thing. I have to say, I like seeing both words for "STAR WARS" at the top-- to keep this from being too much like the ESB logo which had "Star" on top and "Wars" at the bottom.
In the beginning 4 was my favorite too but I agreed with whoever brought the notion for that "dark side" should be larger than "shroud of the". Thus, 9 (which is how I wanted 8 to look) is my new favorite. As for slanted boxes; you're in for a treat...Yeah, out of those, I like #8 the best. I thought number 8 was going to be well-received.
I guess you guys are gonna like 9 & 10 then. Originally posted by: auximenies
Although I like 4 and 5 quite well, I think #8 is the best because "Dark Side" is larger (and therefore more emphasized) than the other words. 8 is superior to 7 because I believe the words need to fill the box entirely. My only reservation with #8 is that while the box sides are perfectly vertical, the text is slanted.
Originally posted by: musicman
Good to hear that there'll be some Struzan action!
I'd say my favorites right now are probably 4, 5 and 8. I really like no 4. I guess it's a little more traditional looking to me, and I like that. Numbers 5 and 8 are pretty much tied for me. And I agree that the words should definitely fill the box. I would definitely like to see the box slanted, at least just to see what it looks like. But yeah, my vote goes to number 4, although you've done a great job on all of them. This is going to be real class, I can tell!
Originally posted by: MTHaslettAlthough I like 4 and 5 quite well, I think #8 is the best because "Dark Side" is larger (and therefore more emphasized) than the other words. 8 is superior to 7 because I believe the words need to fill the box entirely. My only reservation with #8 is that while the box sides are perfectly vertical, the text is slanted.
Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated
Hmmm 7 or 8...I actually think I'm leaning towards 8...too much empty space in 7...?
Yeah, LOL!
I think graphic designers might disagree. The way I see it I'm just trying to design a logo (albeit not from scratch). The fact that it's for a Star Wars fan-edit and Star Wars fans are giving thoughts and opinions just means that the process is much easier. Where's Trooperman though? I don't think he's yet seen ANY of the OT-style logos. Plus, ultimately it's up to him which one we use.Hmmm 7 or 8...I actually think I'm leaning towards 8...too much empty space in 7...?
Originally posted by: THX
#8 is really good - almost perfect. I think Auximenies is right about the sides though - they should slant too.
Originally posted by: auximenies
The current topic of discussion is really quite hilarious if you think about it! Look at us. What nerds!
Originally posted by: musicman#8 is really good - almost perfect. I think Auximenies is right about the sides though - they should slant too.
Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
Take a non-italicized version of number 8, and use perspective to shift it so it's slanted, more like the ESB logo. Then, it'll be perfect! I agree that 7 doesn't work because of all the dead space. That's what prompted me to attempt number 8. I am glad with the proportion of "dark side" to "shroud of the", however, the problem with 8, is as you say... it's italic text in a rectangle that isn't slanted to match. These issues have been addressed in 9 & 10.
Originally posted by: THX
I think the central crossbar of the "E" should be equal length to the others, and I'd like it if "Star Wars" was broken up, with "Star" at the top and "Wars" below the main logo, a la ESB. Also, "Shroud of the" looks stretched widthways compared to "Dark Side" and is sloping very slightly more. Okay, that was three things. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
I promise in my next go-round I'll play with the crossbars of the letter E and the splitting of "star wars" so that "star" is on the top-left and "wars" is on the bottom-right. The issues with "shroud of the" being stretched in 8 are apparent to me and I thought there was no way around them. However, I fiddled with the text and believe I've revised the much-liked 8 into the even better 9 (and also a slight variant which is 10).Take a non-italicized version of number 8, and use perspective to shift it so it's slanted, more like the ESB logo. Then, it'll be perfect! I agree that 7 doesn't work because of all the dead space. That's what prompted me to attempt number 8. I am glad with the proportion of "dark side" to "shroud of the", however, the problem with 8, is as you say... it's italic text in a rectangle that isn't slanted to match. These issues have been addressed in 9 & 10.
Originally posted by: boreddusty
I like 8 except for the fact that "of the" is the same size as "Shroud." I don't know how you could do it differently and keep from stretching/compressing anything too much. =/
Yeah, I can't really have "of the" smaller than "shroud" unless I use the "of the" 'symbol' featured in logos 2, 3 & 4. In number 8 I did some text stretching and squeezing on "shroud of the" so that "dark side" could become the emphasis and everything would still fit in a rectangular bounding box.I like 8 except for the fact that "of the" is the same size as "Shroud." I don't know how you could do it differently and keep from stretching/compressing anything too much. =/
Originally posted by: THX
I think the central crossbar of the "E" should be equal length to the others, and I'd like it if "Star Wars" was broken up, with "Star" at the top and "Wars" below the main logo, a la ESB. Also, "Shroud of the" looks stretched widthways compared to "Dark Side" and is sloping very slightly more. Okay, that was three things. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Originally posted by: auximenies
The current topic of discussion is really quite hilarious if you think about it! Look at us. What nerds!
Yeah, LOL! Originally posted by: musicman
Good to hear that there'll be some Struzan action!
I'd say my favorites right now are probably 4, 5 and 8. I really like no 4. I guess it's a little more traditional looking to me, and I like that. Numbers 5 and 8 are pretty much tied for me. And I agree that the words should definitely fill the box. I would definitely like to see the box slanted, at least just to see what it looks like. But yeah, my vote goes to number 4, although you've done a great job on all of them. This is going to be real class, I can tell! I LOVE these logos. I have to say I think a combo of #4 and #8 would be my idea of perfect - take the top line of #4 and put it on top of the BIG bottom line of #8. Beauty. Then, maybe try slanting the whole thing. I have to say, I like seeing both words for "STAR WARS" at the top-- to keep this from being too much like the ESB logo which had "Star" on top and "Wars" at the bottom.
Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Great work! I think that logo on top of the painted Clone War image from the Art of Star Wars book cover would be incredible and very OT.
If you read all my above responses you'll know that I've created logos 9 and 10. Basically 9 is what I wanted number 8 to be. I played with the text so that "dark side" could remain larger than "shroud of the" while that top line didn't have to be stretched/squeezed like in 8. Logo 10 is just 9 but with a straight rule under "dark side" much like the ESB logo that Trooperman posted. There are 3 variant for both 9 & 10. There's regular text in a straight rectangular box, then that same logo slanted via skewing, and finally, a version that's been slanted by using "transform perspective" in Photoshop CS2. I got that idea from ChainsawAsh (see quoted above). I believe that third one might be slanted too much, however, it is in keeping with the ESB logo. I guess if people agree I can tone down the slanting a bit in the next incarnation.
Now without further babble, here are the latest renditions of the logo:
Please, as always, post your thoughts and opinions in this thread. Hopefully Trooperman will soon join the discussion.
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Nice work!
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Yeah, when I saw 10B I actually said "Ooo!"...that means cool!
So just to clarify, I like 10B!
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
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But I wonder if there's a way to see a combo of 4 and 10B where "OF THE" is not so prominent.
SHROUD of/the
DARK SIDE
(with "DARK SIDE" BIGGER than Shroud) makes the most visual sense in this one-guy's opinion.
And if someone can give me a little advice about uploading images here, I can put up a cool/sloppy mock-up with the "Art of" image. It's nothing fancy, but it sure reminds me of an OT poster. Do I need my own web page to give my images a URL?
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WOW! Didn’t expect to come back to find 16 different versions of a “SOTDS” logo. Sorry I’ve come so late in the game. Thank you, klokwerk (and everyone else), for putting so much thought into the logo. I’m really flattered.
With that said, my personal favorites of all of these great logos were numbers 4 and 12. So, using MS Paint, I tried to combine them and get the best looking logo possible.
I was wondering if you could create a logo that looks kind of like this (ignore the bad quality, please):
Without the “Star Wars” bounding box:
Skewed:
Notice how the “S” forms the top bar, the words “of the” are smaller than “Shroud”, and “Shroud” is somewhat smaller than “Dark Side”. This looks like a genuine Star Wars logo to me.
Thanks so much! This is wonderful,
-TM
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
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With that said, Trooperman #3 (skewed) now gets my vote. But, should the bar below "Dark Side" be the same thickness as the "S" bar on top?
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"Miss you, I will, Original Trilogy..."
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#4
#5
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
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Although it must have been harder without computers.
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But the painting reminds me of the great images from the very first Star Wars art-- especially like the Star Wars novelization cover. It would be great to photoshop together different concept images of characters over this image-- as if their images loomed in the sky like the OT posters for Star Wars and ESB.
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I can upload it for you.
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The problem with the stacked "of the" is that it makes "Shroud" bigger than "Dark Side" which is not good. If you look at the ROTJ logo, you'll see that "of the" is only stacked in the one-line logo, not the box logo, which has "Return of the" all equally sized and "Jedi" bigger.
Should the first "S" form the top bar? That was done in the ESB logo, IMHO, to accomodate "The" without shrinking "Empire." It looks okay because the bar is broken up by "The." I don't think it looks so good having the "S" form an unbroken bar.
You could put a bar between "Shroud" and "Dark Side," broken up by "of the" but then you're back to the problem of "Shroud" being too big.
So, for all the above reasons I nominate either Klokwerk #9b, as is, or Klockwerk #10b with another bar above "Shroud," but not made from the "S."
Phew.
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...resulting in the near-Yoda-speak title:
"Of The Shroud Dark Side"
Sorry, couldn't resist!
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I don't think I understand THX's comments about the logos because in Trooperman's versions, "Dark Side" is clearly bigger than "Shroud".
As for the stacked "of the" being different than Jedi-- that's a good thing! All the OT logos were unique. This one should also have quirks if it is to truly fit.
"Return of the Jedi" is a very solid concept which is easily conveyed by those words. "Shroud of the Dark Side" is a poetic and vague phrase that has no concrete imagery at all. So the layout of the words has to help convey the meaning-- taking emphasis off "OF THE" makes it just a little easier to grasp what the title means.
Just my thoughts, anyway.
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http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4936/aotccg8.jpg
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I agree that the rationales and references to previous logos can only go so far. Ultimately, you need to pick the one that looks best and reads easiest, and that is, IMHO, Klokwerk 9b or 10b.
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Well, in TM's versions "Shroud" has been squashed vertically to fit under the bar, which doesn't look good.
I think it'd look better coming from Klokwerk (using something better than MS Paint).
I just really don't like 9 and 10 as much, for whatever reason. Probably because the words "of the" are way too big. I don't know. I really like my No. 3 version and I'd love it if Klokwerk could do a high-quality mockup of that so we can better judge it. If that doesn't work, in my opinion the next best option is #4. I like No. 5 as well.
And I really do like that Ep. II conceptual painting.
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On a completely unrelated note, if hairy_hen is reading this, I'd like you to drop me a PM and just let me know what the timetable is. No pressure, but I'd just like to plan this out.
Thanks!
-TM
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition