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Definetly post some screen shots!

Is Anakin the only one you are redubbing?
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Is Anakin the only one you are redubbing?


I think so. I know he's the only main character I'm going to redub. I'm probably also going to wind up dubbing the analysis robot from the deleted scene, so I'll be able to omit the "diner scene".

Actually, now that I think of it, it would be a lot easier to redub Natalie Portman, too. But there are two problems with that: 1. I would have to go back to Episode I (and Episode III) to do the same thing. 2. I know of no woman on the planet that would do that for me.

I'll be posting screenshots eventually!

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Is Anakin the only one you are redubbing?


I think so. I know he's the only main character I'm going to redub. I'm probably also going to wind up dubbing the analysis robot from the deleted scene, so I'll be able to omit the "diner scene".

Actually, now that I think of it, it would be a lot easier to redub Natalie Portman, too. But there are two problems with that: 1. I would have to go back to Episode I (and Episode III) to do the same thing. 2. I know of no woman on the planet that would do that for me.

I'll be posting screenshots eventually!


I think it would be awesome if I had some female actress frends and stuff. I'm sort of a writer/creator myself so... Anyway, I hope your project.

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All you need is to have Anakin lament his "longing" for Padme and it'll be great.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

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This is my rough outline for my revamped “forbidden kiss” scene. This replaces the “fireplace” scene and comes immediately after the “floating fruit” dinner scene on Naboo. The scene with Padme’s family will be inserted in the space previously occupied by the original version of this one.



Padme has been talking as they’ve been walking along.

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Padme: We would swim to that island every day. I love the water. (her other dialogue has been cut and this earlier dialogue has been replaced here). Several seconds of silence. They both gaze at the water

Anakin: Padme…(a bit nervously) CUT:

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Anakin: I love you (completely off-topic)

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Padme turns in surprise.
Anakin: I’ve loved you ever since I first saw you, ten years ago. (he has put a lot of thought into this previously).

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Anakin: I was afraid to tell you before…

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Anakin: …but it’s true.

He touches hand, touches back, etc. until he gets some sugar (as shown in film, only color corrected).

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Until…
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Padme: No. I can’t. (pulling away). I shouldn’t have done it. (extra dialogue looped from previously).

Anakin: What’s wrong?

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Padme: That was forbidden for a Jedi. (dialogue from elsewhere).

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Anakin: I know. (replacing “I’m sorry”. CUT quickly to…

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Anakin smiling. Slowly, his smile disappears. CUT to

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Anakin turning away in confusion and guilt.

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I might actually make it so Anakin just says, “I know,” and immediately turns away in confusion. I thought it would be neat, though, if he smiled in between. Kind of makes him more Darth Vader-like and makes it clear that he knows he shouldn’t have kissed Padme but he did it anyway. I was trying to incorporate some information from the fireplace scene into this one, so that it covers more ground.

1. Their love is forbidden
2. Anakin knows this and wants to continue anyway.
3. Padme knows the rules, too. She gives into temptation anyway.

What we haven’t got is Anakin suggesting “We could keep it a secret.” It just doesn’t get to that point in my version. Hopefully, it will be understood that they will have to keep it secret because it is forbidden. I trust the audience on that one. Or, it could set up the question at the end: will they get in trouble? Will he turn bad immediately, or keep it a secret? I.e. cliffhanger; find out in Episode III.

The benefits of this is that we haven’t got:

1. “I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating…” etc.
2. The awful melodramatic fireplace scene. “…hoping that that kiss will not become a scar,” etc. etc. You don’t need to spell everything out! Film is about asking questions, not giving answers. However, we have still got a dimly lit, dramatic scene which means something. In the original film, after they kissed, the rest of Padme and Anakin’s scenes together got long and I was kind of thinking, “Let’s get this over with,” as I watched it. Also, why was Padme so eager to be with Anakin after admitting, “I shouldn’t have done that?” Why does she continue with him? And why, when he had several scenes available to him, did Lucas make them kiss on the VERY FIRST ONE in Naboo? It ruins the sequence, in my opinion. My answer is that now, after the kiss, she realizes that the affair has gone too far and tries to break it off. Up until that point, she wasn’t really as alarmed. This way, the family scene, dinner scene, and maybe part of the scene in the grassy field come first, gradually building up to the kiss scene, which I’d like to think packs a lot more punch and is more meaningful now.

The color correction is still in test stages; I’m having the hardest time eliminating the bright green of the sun hitting a couple of small plants in some shots. I am not able to turn those into silhouettes. I’ll keep working on it. I have to color-correct each shot individually (I can’t just crank the brightness down for the whole scene), because the intended settings and atmospheres are like night and day (literally)!

Just my rough outline for this scene! I welcome comments or suggestions, as long as it’s not a sarcastic, “Who do you think you are, George Lucas?” or something like that (like I got from a friend of mine). That tends to discourage me!


Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Who do you think you are? George Lucas?!


No seriously, I like the idea. And the recolored scene looks good. I think it would benefit from a somewhat Darker sky, though. It doesn't look like night time.

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I like your ideas and the outline you showed us Trooperman. I'd like to see what your final product is when you get the color correctiojn right.

I think that a lot of the new dialogue is good. I think the line about Padme' knowing it is forbidden could work because of their ocnversation earlier on the transport ship. However, I do think that some of the dialogue in the fireplace is good too. Is there any way you incorporate something about living with secrets? I thought that part of the original dialogue was good when you think about in the light of Anakin's rage later in the movie. It just works on a couple of different levels.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with next!
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I never liked the "night-day" filter thing used in movies in order to show a night scene being filmed by day, but it looks very good on this one. Nice work
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Thanks for the suggestions, guys. I actually did notice the lighter sky before, but decided to put the shots up anyhow. I've also been playing with different filters and settings, and I cannot darken the sky sufficiently no matter what I do. Looking at it now, it seems obvious why: the bright sky (filmed during daytime) is standing out against the dark silhouette of the tree. It was focused upon in the original version. What I'm probably going to have to do is crop those two particular shots, as nicely framed as they are already, so as to omit the sky. It kills me to do it, but it appears to be the only option.

And as for the dialogue about keeping the love secret, I'm trying to think of a way to incorporate it gracefully and in context with this scene. I just don't know if it can be done. Perhaps I could try and insert it into the scene after the nightmare, when Anakin and Padme talk the next morning.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Can't you filter that specific range of color (the light sky) to be darker, and the tree to remain as it is?
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Looks like it will turn out very well...

But, play around with the filter some more as there is one screen there where both ANakin & Padme are almost completely blue. Reminds me of the fat girl from "Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory".

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You should play the Willy Wonka theme when 3PO enters the droid factory!

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Who do you blame when your kid is a brat
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
Blaming the kids is a lion of shame
You know exactly who's to blame:
The mother and the father!
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Can't you filter that specific range of color (the light sky) to be darker, and the tree to remain as it is?

And I am trying some different things in an attempt to darken only the sky and nothing else in the couple shots that show the sky. I'll see what I can do.


But, play around with the filter some more as there is one screen there where both ANakin & Padme are almost completely blue. Reminds me of the fat girl from "Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory".


Are you referring to the "I was afraid to tell you before" shot, Klokwerk? Because that stands out as the most blue to me.


You should play the Willy Wonka theme when 3PO enters the droid factory!


Ha ha! That would be funny. However, that's not possible in my version because the droids never enter the factory. This also means 3-P0's head does not get exchanged for the battle droid's, and his antics in the arena are no longer present. It's just a bad subplot, in my opinion. I'm not even sure if I'm going to include the droid factory at all; I'll have to think about it and see if I can mute the unrealistically bright colors somewhat.

Replacing music, however, is going to be a big priority, since I don't think John William's work on this one was up to his usual caliber. I'm a huge fan of his and feel gyped somewhat. Therefore, I will use not only music from the previous movies, I'm going to use a couple clips from outside sources. For example, I'm using Richard Strauss' "Space Odyssey" theme when Dooku turns to confront Obi-Wan and Anakin near the end. Also, I using some Les Brown swing music for the nightclub scene.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I just meant the music; no words.


I just felt like posting that one.
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I've watched and analyzed the Droid Factory scene, and I am pleased to announce that part of it will be included in my cut; all of the Anakin footage and some of the Padme footage will be left in. 3PO's incident with the exchanged heads and R2's ability to fly have all been cut (didn't make sense). This also means that 3PO's footage in the arena will be cut as well, which I think is for the better. The jokes seemed contrived and corny to me, and you don't need humour in the middle of a battle anyway.

I was going back and forth about whether to cut the droid factory sequence altogether, but decided that Anakin's action is just too good to be cut, and there's no reason to do it. However, I'm going to try and mute the over-vibrant colors.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Originally posted by: Trooperman
I've watched and analyzed the Droid Factory scene, and I am pleased to announce that part of it will be included in my cut; all of the Anakin footage and some of the Padme footage will be left in. 3PO's incident with the exchanged heads and R2's ability to fly have all been cut (didn't make sense). This also means that 3PO's footage in the arena will be cut as well, which I think is for the better. The jokes seemed contrived and corny to me, and you don't need humour in the middle of a battle anyway.

I was going back and forth about whether to cut the droid factory sequence altogether, but decided that Anakin's action is just too good to be cut, and there's no reason to do it. However, I'm going to try and mute the over-vibrant colors.


What about R2's saving Padme from the hot metal? Is there enough footage of him on that platform before he uses his interface to establish his arrival.

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Yes, indeed. His arrival is meant to be a surprise, but we already see C-3PO and R2 leave the ship to follow Padme and Anakin. I've used as much establishing footage of R2 as possible on the ramp, starting just after he lands from his flight. I don't need to explain how he got to that point; the shot of him about to follow them into the factory is enough. We also don't see how they get out, but I don't think you really care or are thinking about that as the audience at that point. They aren't really main characters in this one.

But yes, there are several shots establishing R2's presence in the factory. While I'm at it, another change I've made is that I've cut out the Prime Minister's dialogue about Boba Fett being a clone "Curious, isn't it?" on Kamino. I liked the idea that Boba was Jango's natural son (brings up the question of who his mother was). It makes Boba Fett special and distinguishes him from all the clones. It also makes this film compatible with the original and 1997 special edition of Empire, with Boba's original voice. The difference makes perfect sense if he is not an unaltered clone.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Since accents and vocal patterns are learned, I think it makes sense either way. Besides, as much as the bounty hunter helmet changed Leia's voice, Boba Fett could sound like Clay Aiken for all we know.

Before AOTC there was speculation that Boba Fett was a woman.

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Before AOTC there was speculation that Boba Fett was a woman.


You're kidding!

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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That's nothing. I've even read that jar Jar might be Bobba Fett...
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After listing the changes I want to make and kind of analyzing Attack of the Clones, I have officially begun to actually start re-editing the film.

I have good news and bad news.

The good news is that during tests, I was able to split up the 5.1 surround track from the DVD into 6 mono .wav's, and upon doing this I discovered that dubbing Anakin's voice is going to be a heck of a lot easier than I thought it would be. Especially with the help of Sound Forge. Dubbing will be the fun part!

The bad news is that it looks like the voice actor that will be dubbing Anakin is going to be me. I'm the only person I could find obsessed and dedicated enough to read the lines the way I want. Not that I'm a bad actor (I've been in some amateur films), but it's just going to be really weird for me, watching the movies and hearing my voice. It may or may not distract me.

Will I be able to do a good job? Others can be better judges of that when it's finished, but all I can say is that I'll put all I've got into portraying this character better than Hayden did. I’m the kind of guy who would do 73 takes of a line if I thought that I could do better than before. I also have the advantage of a lower and somewhat darker voice.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition