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I don't think anyone should use the Shaak Ti scene. Although her death is quite cool, the jokes Between Obi-Wan and Anakin soon after, kinda take away the dramatic event.

The other deleted scenes are ok, but was it just me or did Bail Organa act like a little fool in most of those. The one in Palps office was good, but I was hoping for a little more.

I personally think only the Yoda stuff is worth adding. Just before we see Alderaan I think. Otherwise the pacing with the music and whatever won't seem to flow right. But wtf do I know about editing

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Let's not dismiss the thing too hastily. I think it would work and have a lot more urgency if Anakin and Obi-wan cut through the floor as soon as they are threatened. Take away the jokes and the scene could be fine. As far as Shaak Ti in the hologram, she is barely noticable. I suppose one could paint her out with ease. Of course, you might have to edit a bit in the other introduction of Anakin an Obi-wan to Grevious on the bridge.

I'd love to see this scene re-incorperated into the movie. I have to admit that the motivation isn't anything more than, "Hey, that would be cool to see". Aside from bringing the Grevious threat a bit earlier into the film, this addition doesn't really do anything more than add more action.
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I really want to see Shaak Ti incorporated back into ROTS. Like others, I watched the Clone Wars series and was able to see what a freakin' badass she is and I got really into her character. The only ROTS action figure I bought was Shaak Ti because I dug her so much and I was all excited to see how she went in the flick, and when I saw it, she just wasn' there! I was severely pissed and if nobody else incorporates the scene back in, I'll probably do it myself. Of course, I know others will, so that won't be necessary, but I think it really should have been in there to pay off that bit from the Clone Wars series.

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Grievous should be made into Darth Maul by using all the lines from Spaced and Shaun of the Dead.

"You shot me in the bollocks, Tim."
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I thought Shaak Ti was supposed to be stabbed in the back by Anakin in the meditation room at the Jedi Temple, just before he slaughters the Younglings. What ever happened to that version?

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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Grievous should be made into Darth Maul by using all the lines from Spaced and Shaun of the Dead.

"You shot me in the bollocks, Tim."


Cool - that way Maul can tell Anakin to:

'Sort your f---ing life out, Mate!'
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Please forgive me if this has been covered before -- I'm new to the group and have just gone through all sixteen pages of this thread.

I've only watched SITH once -- couldn't stomach a second viewing -- but what stuck in my craw the most was...

- I couldn't tell Padme was preggers when we first see her so it seems like she gestates those twins in about a fortnight.

- The Emperor tells Grevous that he should move the seperatist leaders to Mustafa and then we have tons of scenes and Grevious still hasn't moved those guys... This time around it feels like weeks have gone rather than days or even hours -- it didn't sound like he was joking around or giving even a "When you get to it, get those guys over to Mustafa." Thought it'd be taken care of much faster. This action is slowed down horribly by all of the incessant Padme/Annakin scenes in between. If memory serves, it took about a half hour between Grevious appearances.

- Not sure if anything can be done about this but the SFX of Temuera Morrison's head floating around on those clone bodies was just awful.

- Is there a cheesy line about Annakin "disarming" Dooku? If not, there needs to be one.

- "Don't make me kill you.... If you're not with me, then you are my enemy." Yeah, okay, I was getting the George Bush stuff before, you might as well say "Axis of Evil" here.

- "My litte green friend..." We'd be a lot better off without the Emperor cackling as he's trying to slay Yoda. "So funny this is you think your ass will I kick."

- Can someone reverse all of Yoda's sentences so he speaks forwards?

- The references to Qui-Gon need to be removed. Should be, "Got something for you to do on Tattoine -- think of a new name... Ben. Ben Kenobi! Like it?" "Well, uh," "Great! Knew it I did."

Personally, I liked the intercutting of the fight scenes -- reminded me of the good old days of porn where we'd have two sex scenes cut together. More effective and less boring that way.

How I wish there were more of a sense of Annakin revelling in the Dark Side -- really being shown how much fun and power he can have by embracing his wrath. Instead, he just seems to go into a sonambulistic stupor. Overacting is overacting whether it's emoting too much or just not enough.

I'd love if Annakin's dreams of Padme's child were more reminiscent of Alia's premature "enlightenment" scene in David Lynch's DUNE (still feel that he should have directed ROTJ).

Would have liked, too, to have more consideration put into "Darth Vadar"'s name -- "I shall call you.... Flounder." "Why Flounder?" "Why not?" Seems that giving Vadar his name after he was reborn (after his children were born) from flame would have been so much more dramatic and logical. I mean, uh, did Lucas forget that Vadar means "father"?

Also, during that big fight on the lava planet, did anyone else wonder when Annakin was going to have his finger bitten off by Smeagol? I just don't see why they could fight on those floating rocks and not catch on fire while Annikan immolates a few good feet away.

And, isn't it a shame that with all that technology that they hadn't learned to give C-sections "a long time ago"? Might have saved Padme's life.

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Well, that added absolutely nothing to the discussion.

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Funny, I thought it did. Thought it recalled quite a bit of the first few messages where people suggested what should be eliminated. If nothing else, there needs to be a move in that Grevious scene.



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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Grievous should be made into Darth Maul by using all the lines from Spaced and Shaun of the Dead.


Now that would be truly fantastic!
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Where should each deleted scene be inserted into the movie?

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I'm sorry, but I thought the Obi Wan/Anakin skit was funny and I'd love to have it in the film. Why would the Jedi be so upset? Aren't Jedi supposed to be able to let go of those they fear letting go of?
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I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I'd like to see Palpy's twisting flip removed. It looked better in the trailer, where he just jumped right at the Jedi. And maybe the death of the first two Jedi could be tightened up a little. It looks like Palpatine is just killing them while they are just standing around.
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I've gotten the rough cut together. I'm noticing a major glitch in the title card every time I export. Anybody else have this problem? Hopefully this won't be an issue when the crawl is replaced with a new file, but we shall see. It's quite odd in any case. I haven't tried a full export yet to see if this kind of glitch shows up elsewhere in the film.

Many of you will be pleased to know that I am keeping Shaak Ti's death. The holo scene later only shows the back of her head from what I noticed and is REALLY obscure to watch. I'll live with it. There are greater imperfections we have to live with in this film than that one. The subsequent action has been pared down to remove the vast majority of incomplete animatics and to speed up the pacing. So far I think it works, but I'll be a better judge of things when I actually see this on a TV screen.

Here's a brief list of the major changes so far:
EP III deletions/modifications:
- New Crawl (Darth Editous is once again helping out on this one so many thanks still go to him).
- The line about "Vulture Droids"
- The line about "Buzz Droids"
- Neimoidian voice modulated (TBD)
- Battle Droids voices modulated (TBD)
- Palpatines's cheesy "Yes"
- Collapsing balcony "shoving" Obi-Wan. It would have broken his legs AND it was bad CG.
- Artoo crashing into wall
- Queen/Senator references throughout (not many fortunately).
- No friggin' midichlorians
- Anakin debating with Mace over killing/saving Palpatine.
- Palpatine's over the top moments while burning himself with force lightning
- Anakin asking "What have I done" right before pledging his soul to Palpatine
- Added bones cracking during the Padme force choke.
- "You underestimate my power."
- Padme losing the will to live.
- Silly medical droid lingo that detracts from the birth sequence.

Deleted stuff added back in
- Shaak Ti's death and escaping from Greivous (sans animatics and trimmed to remove redundancy with bridge scene)
- Mace, Yoda and Obi-Wan discussing the plot (trimmed to remove redundancy with war room scene)
- Rebel Alliance scenes
- Qui-Gon's return (voiceover in three places)
- Dagobah

Hal, to answer your question, here's where I placed the deleted scenes:
Shaak Ti scene just before Anakin & Obi-Wan enter the room where Palp is kept
Plot scene just before the Jedi Council scene where Anakin is begrudgingly accepted onto the council
Bail's Office scene just before the scene with Obi-Wan, Mace and Yoda in the "Huey Chopper"
Padme's apartment scene after Obi-Wan leaves for Utapau in the star destroyer, but before he briefs the clone troopers and departs in his own Jedi starfighter
Palpatine's office just before Obi-Wan riding the lizard for the first time
Dagobah just before Padme's funeral, right after "Have the protocol droid's mind wiped."
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
EP III deletions/modifications:
- New Crawl (Darth Editous is once again helping out on this one so many thanks still go to him).

Could you post it? Not a slam, but your titles on your other prequel edits and your crawls were very un-star wars. it read (and still reads) like fanfic.


- Palpatines's cheesy "Yes"

the one after Obi-Wan takes out the Super Battle Droids? That shit is funny. He's selling it like crazy right there.

- Artoo crashing into wall

And every theatrical viewing I saw (3) that shot got one of the biggest, if not the biggest, laugh out of the audience. What's so wrong with that shot? It's the punchline to Anakin's setup, and fits in with the "loose wiring" joke earlier.

- Anakin debating with Mace over killing/saving Palpatine.

What's the reasoning for taking that out? It's almost necessary the way both your edit and the actual movie itself is laid out.

- Added bones cracking during the Padme force choke.


that doesn't make any sense. that would paralyze her and leave her unable to speak. She couldn't push. Hearing Anakin snap her vertebrae is a) too much and b) creating a plot inconsistency in an edit where you're trying to remove them.

- "You underestimate my power."


This is a good edit. If I may also suggest, chopping out "I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over!" "Anakin, Palpatine is Evil!" "From my point of view the Jedi are evil" "Well you are lost then!" I find the scene would play much better, dramatically, if you went straight from 'I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you." into that nice two-shot where they're just sort of swirling around each other right before they start fighting again. You can finesse the music there a lot easier as well. And, for added effect, it makes Anakin more ruthless and almost terminator-like. He's not so much talking as just trying to kill. Maybe, if you're feeling really tricky, moving the "This is the end for you, my master" to before "I have Failed You." but that would necessitate some tricky sound editing.

Deleted stuff added back in
- Shaak Ti's death and escaping from Greivous (sans animatics and trimmed to remove redundancy with bridge scene)


I'm guessing you're going to go straight from them cutting the hole to them crawling up that shaft, and then to them coming out of the elevator? That'd be nice.

- Rebel Alliance scenes


If you want to turn the middle of the movie into a TPM style quicksand, sure ALL of them or just one or two. I think you could get away with the meeting in Palpatine's office pretty easily, but the first two meetings are VERY dry and with all the exposition already in the middle of the movie, it's going to be VERY drawn out.

All the other edits you listed are either decent or won't really change anything either way, so it should be an equally unobtrusive viewing experience. The ones above are just some suggestions.
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Sounds great!

The only thing I need help from outside sources will be the droid voices....
And, quite honestly, I would be fine with Revenge of the Sith if I could only edit out or modulate the battle and super battle droid voices. I hate them, I hate them, I hate them.

How did you edit them? Did you use Womble, or soemthing else? If I can't lower or alter them myself, can you send me some short MPG files of the parts you changed for me to plug in? *OR*, short MPG files with only the SUPER battle droid's voices REMOVED?

What I hope to do is trim a few things (many of which you trimmed, but not all of them), add in the rebel alliance scenes, and also REMOVE as many scenes as I can afford to loose. In order to shorten it.
The only scene I KNOW I can take out so far is the "are you sure we're on the right side" in Padme's apartment.

Anyway, all I need from outside my computer is some new battle droid voices, OR how to remove them. Thanks Digitalman, both for this and for everything else thus far! (I believe BOTH our sagas will be better than Lucas's)

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Originally posted by: Hal 9000

How did you edit them? Did you use Womble, or soemthing else? If I can't lower or alter them myself, can you send me some short MPG files of the parts you changed for me to plug in? *OR*, short MPG files with only the SUPER battle droid's voices REMOVED?


I've considered deletion as well as modulation. Haven't tried either yet, but if the mix is consistent with the other prequels, dialogue will be restricted to the center channel. Split the six streams with Hypercube Transcoder, use Vegas to manipulate the individual streams, then re-render as a new 5.1 audio file. That's my plan of attack.

The Neimoidian sounded like he was waiting to catch a wave. ;-)
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Hal, to answer your question, here's where I placed the deleted scenes:
Shaak Ti scene just before Anakin & Obi-Wan enter the room where Palp is kept


I was watching this looking for a good spot to put this and I agree, this is the best location for it. Basically, I would have cut it with them falling through the floor, having Greivous turn...silent, walking away as Vader did when the Falcon jumped to hyperspace in ESB, and then cut to Anakin reaching over to open that hatch. Then have them crawl out and cut back to them exiting the elevator.

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Remove Grevious's caugh, its soo distracting, takes you out of the moment
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Grr, it doesn't look like I can edit the audio like that. I will have to wait for Adigitalman on the battle droid voices.

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The Extened Cut is being muxed tonight. This doesn't remove anything from the original film, but does clip the "redundant because they were used elsewhere in the Final Cut" bits from the Shaak Ti and Plot scenes. C-3PO's opening lines in the Bail scene are cut too as they just distract from the dialogue, but that's the only "creative" edit I'm putting in to the Extended Cut.

Gonna cross this post in another thread. Forgive my redundancy.
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I've never assed a Force hum. Could you give me an example?
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