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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *) — Page 3

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Yeah, I am pretty sure he posted a link on the last page or so. If not you could find it in the Starkiller ranch thread.

Edit: Just flipped through the pages, I guess he didn't post it in here after all. Here is the link.

http://rapidshare.com/files/20763197/Death_of_Anikan.mpg.html

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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In my clip I posted I used ADM's version of the Yoda meditating scene. So all credit for that part of the clip goes to ADM. But the rest of the clip was my own work.


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Originally posted by: jedi_jra
Let me know what you think and if your wondering why I cut something, ask!
Nice work on the Obi/Anakin duel! Comes off with a relentless energy. Much more like I would hope to see from Vader. You really see Obi have to defend himself, and his final warning to Anakin really comes off like he doesn't have any other choice. I wouldn't have thought to cut directly from Obi's original catwalk jump to the one down below. Cool idea!
Thanks guys, I love watching the work in this forum, and was dying to contribute!http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2PRGG3KL

Glad you did.
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GM, great work with Yoda's vision! Very ambitious. It's a great addition to have Qui-Gon's voice in there which helps the later part about Obi learning to communicate with him to not feel so tagged-on.

If I might make a suggestion: in order to smoothe the flow of the vision sequence, perhaps you could simply continue the vision through Bail Organa's interrupting line "Excuse me, Master Yoda" and then cut directly to Yoda turning around to look at Bail. The cut in the sequence where Yoda squints in the closeup cuts too quickly.

Nice job overall, though. I didn't notice until your edit made it apparent, but C3PO pilots from the wrong side when he and Obi-wan leave Mustafar! Nice continuity catch! Also, the swell of music over Padme's body in the hospital to close out the scene is so-o-o-o powerful. I noticed you used the same shot of Yoda twice in that scene. Have you thought of using the wider shot for the 2nd Yoda for shot variety instead?
Originally posted by: GoodMusicianThe only thing is I didn't want to show Vader becuase I kinda wanted Vader to almost be a surprise in Episode IV...like "Oh? Who's this?"

Yeah, I agree. It clues the audience into what the fate of Anakin might have been, but it doesn't answer it in IV. The audience still gets to learn the revelation along with Luke in V.

You and I are coming at Episode 3 from different vantage points as to what's important when in the overarching saga, but it seems you've got a good story and drama sense. Nice job!

EDIT: Just watched Marvolo's clip! (thanks for posting the link again, C3PX.) Maybe you could fuse the Batman Begins dialogue with the Qui-Gon lines you have already used for a fuller Qui-Gon communication to Yoda.
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thanks for posting the video. I was sure I'd downloaded all the videos posted in this thread so heh...

It is definately a good idea. I don't currently have Batman Begins on DVD, but I will check that out and see if there isn't any dialogue in that worth ripping. His character was quite simlar except... "evil." Almost COunt Dooku in a way.

As for your suggestions about the edit of the yoda sequence,I went back and played with that a bit. It's still not quite ready to be uploaded but I will soon. it's pretty much what you suggested. The close up of Yoda's face is longer, then you cut to the shot of Bail walking up behind Yoda. Then it goes to the blurry shot of the robotic arm and at the very end the dialogue "Excuse Me, Master Yoda." is heard over the video, which then brightens, and quickly cuts to Yoda Turning around (a shot which I always felt was faaaaar too long in the film).

This way it's like Bail is walking in, see's Yoda... but waits a moment to see if he'll notice his presence... and then his interruption doesn't interrupt what we see, but does cause Yoda to... fall out of the vision in a way.

I'll see about editing it further.

The birth sequence I'm still toying with. I re-edited it, but It's not ready to be posted yet. I have the shot of the establishing shot of the robot flying up, then it saying "We have to operate quickly" layered over where it would have said other things. Then the close-close up of the robot saying "We're loosing her."

You see Obi-Wan say "she's dying." then the shot of him walking over to the window ... it works pretty well but as mentioned, I have to re-use segments. I'ts because there is so little video, and so little of it is useable when removing leia.

I think I may restructure this further...and simply cut to Padme giving birth, and then after that, and she "dies" show the group standing outside watching her and the robot come up and say "we're loosing her" and Obi-Wan say "she's dying?" and then walk over to the window and such.

That way when she gives birth, we don't know she's going to die... and it isn't until after that she does die... but if I do that, I might have to insert something... something to extend it. I dunno. ANyone got any ideas?

And about the flipped image of 3PO flying the ship, I had kinda shirked it off because it looks like the shit could be piloted from eaither side... and on top of that, I can understand why they use it the way they do... Sorta like how in LOTR, usually Frodo and Sam are shown walking one direction across screen when they are going to mordor. And as they leave, they're going the opposite direction... it shows a change in the plot and the story and such visually so I can understand why they did it... but personally I felt it might be better this way.

Glad you all like it... I'm still toying with things so if anyone has any other ideas or suggestions keep it comming. I know this thread is not about my videos, but rather about the mustafar battle and such... but I felt that I could help, even if in only a little way or just by giving ideas...

As important as the battle is, the events that lead up to it and the climax are as well and it can become agrivating if not nausiating having to keep all this in mind when editing your videos...so that's why I'm focusing on these and letting you all focus on the battle itself which are well edited as well.

I'll post the update soon

BTW: I found this little jem. Go to "Matte paintings"...

Matte Paintings

or here:

production photos


Is it not sad that in this time, we are more surprised by acts of love than acts of hate?
-Me

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jedi_jra,

Your cut of the duel between Anakin and Obi Wan has a lot of energy and removes just about all the stupid stuff and fluff, but it feels a bit disjointed. A few recommendations:

1) The places where you've joined two parts of the duel are sometimes a little jarring. Either place some of the generic lava footage inbetween these shots, or cut away to something else for a moment.

2) Speaking of cutting away, can we not have just a little of the Yoda/Palpatine duel? I agree it stinks, but I think we need to see something, so that we can see that Yoda actually put up a fight and how he got away.

3) Personal nitpick: "That an end to your rule is. And not short enough it was" These lines DRIVE ME CRAZY. They're so convoluted. And does Yoda really need to give us trash talk?

4) When the console that controls the lava shield is damaged, something about the way it was edited didn't seem right. I think you show the slash, and then there's an immediate cut to a close up with blinking warnings, then a view of the shield failing, then back to the saber fight. Maybe just a little cutting up of this so it's not all at once would help.

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GoodMusician,

The work you've done is impressive and has a nice flow. But I think you should put the cockpit shot back the way it was. When the ship leaves, we see it moving right to left, and I think that should continue in the cockpit view.

The Yoda visions were a good idea, but I think he shouldn't see things we've already seen - just foreshadowing. Maybe just the robotic hand and a brief vision of the Vader construction? The Qui Gon line is good, but its placement makes it hard to hear. Maybe put it in a silent portion where we just see Yoda's face in meditation.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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GM, I'm eager to see what you cook up with your revisions to Yoda's vision and to Padme's death.

And the link you posted to the matte paintings is AWESOME! Can't wait to see what I might be able to use those for!

EDITING UPDATE: I began my edit using firewire capture from a DVD player to Adobe Premiere. This resulted in letterboxed video. The majority of the movie has been cut using this source. I'm re-evaluating recutting what I've done so far using "ADM's Guide to MPEG Editing" to present the best picture I can possibly deliver. Anybody have any tips on editing workflows for DVD-ripped 16x9 video? I'm most concerned with not being able to accomplish Star Wars-like transitions using Womble, something ADM has confirmed is not possible.
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Glad you liked the matte paintings. One of the problems I had was that I wanted some more shots of Coruscant and such and with the matte painting, I may be able to simply.. create the shot myself.

I wish there were a way to insert Alderan. It is the ONLY time in the entire series (not to mention, the last time) that we can see it. I want to find a way. I had thought about maybe having the meeting between Yoda and such take place after the Tantive IV arrives at Alderan, and then cut to Padme's funeral (perhaps extended a bit with some other footage or even with the matte painting as well).

I'm gonna play with this further. Plus, I wasn't sure if anyone had tried this, but there is some unused footage in the trailers which i'm going to incorporate. It's only one shot but there is another that might be usefull for the mustafar battle sequence (it's Anakin walkign down the hall)... and there is another of him looking all emo but it hadn't been digitized yet so... just fyi.

As for the yoda thing, I personally want to keep at least some of the vision the same. I want it to be like Yoda has failed and is on Polis Massa and is watching Obi-Wan to make sure he succeeds... and then Qui-Gon enters into the vision and brings it to the future... padme's death and anakin's crawling... I might toy witht hat again.


Is it not sad that in this time, we are more surprised by acts of love than acts of hate?
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Originally posted by: GoodMusician
I wish there were a way to insert Alderan. It is the ONLY time in the entire series (not to mention, the last time) that we can see it. I want to find a way. I had thought about maybe having the meeting between Yoda and such take place after the Tantive IV arrives at Alderan, and then cut to Padme's funeral (perhaps extended a bit with some other footage or even with the matte painting as well).

I think Jedi-jra did this in his edit, and it worked really well. A lot better than the placement of the meeting between Bail, Obi and Yoda in the movie, IMHO. I think it might be a great addition to your ending.
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Originally posted by: GoodMusician

I'm gonna play with this further. Plus, I wasn't sure if anyone had tried this, but there is some unused footage in the trailers which i'm going to incorporate. It's only one shot but there is another that might be usefull for the mustafar battle sequence (it's Anakin walkign down the hall)... and there is another of him looking all emo but it hadn't been digitized yet so... just fyi.


That shot of Anikan walking down the hall is in the trailer purely as filler to add the idea that Anikan was turning evil and was never going to go into the film. ILM has stated this. This shot was an unused shot that still had a green screen background and the trailer needed some extra stuff so they slapped a quick background into it and stuck it into the trailer. However, if you can find away to get it in and look right it might be nice.


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Ooook....? :-p

regardless... if you wanted you could use such a shot in an edit? lol... just was putting that out there.


Is it not sad that in this time, we are more surprised by acts of love than acts of hate?
-Me

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Thought about using that shot, too. Just don't know where and if it would fit yet.
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I would love to get my hands on the scene where Palps uses Anakin's lightsaber to cut down the Jedi as he stares on at watches. I like the idea of him being there from the start, and the idea of Palpatine being above the usage of a lightsaber, rather relying on forcelightening and influence to defend himself.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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That is how it was originally filmed from what I understand, later they decided it didn't work very well and refilmed it with Palps using his own saber and Anakin running in at the last minute and having to choose a side. In the original he had already choosen. I am not sure why they didn't think it worked. I don't think it works as it is now either.

The other delected scene I would love to have my hands on is where Anakin kills Shak Ti. I really think we needed to see him fighting a few more Jedi. His turn had the potential for a great number of lightsaber fights.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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That's really interesting to hear. Sounds like the original scenes would've made the movie a little more like one I would've enjoyed. Too bad. It would be awesome to have those deleted scenes available to see how they could be used in a fan edit.
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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Originally posted by: GoodMusician
I wish there were a way to insert Alderan. It is the ONLY time in the entire series (not to mention, the last time) that we can see it. I want to find a way. I had thought about maybe having the meeting between Yoda and such take place after the Tantive IV arrives at Alderan, and then cut to Padme's funeral (perhaps extended a bit with some other footage or even with the matte painting as well).

I think Jedi-jra did this in his edit, and it worked really well. A lot better than the placement of the meeting between Bail, Obi and Yoda in the movie, IMHO. I think it might be a great addition to your ending.


Yes, this is how I did it in my edit, with the Discussion occuring on Alderaan, reason being it hinted more to the fact that Leia exists, and really the only reason they are on Alderaan is to drop of Bail and Leia. Watching it, you think they are only dropping Bail off, but when you find out about Leia being Luke's brother, all the pieces begin to fall into place...okay she's from Alderaan, and before they dropped luke off on Tatooine, they must have dropped Leia off with Bail and then... Ohhh that is what they were talking about! We then proceed to see the placement of other key Characters in my edit, so first Leia on Alderaan (not shown), Vader taking command on the Starship, Yoda going to Dagabah, and then of course Luke and Obi-wan to Tatooine. I thougt it closed the movie well, while setting things up for and hinting at ....wait for it.... A NEW HOPE!

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Jedi_jra, your ending makes so much more visual sense to me, not to mention having a better story-telling sense. Lucas definitely lacked subtlety with connecting these final threads to the Original Trilogy.

Also, the static shot of Bail, Yoda and Obi sitting around that conference table onboard the Tantive never sat well with me since it was shown directly after the shot of the ship zooming into Naboo. Cinematically, it didn't match. The Tantive zooms in to land, and, BOOM!, we're on a wide interior shot of the ship with NO movement! Putting that sequence in as the Tantive actually touches down on Alderaan works so much better.
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Just an idea in passing - sorry if already covered.
To resolve why obi-wan would just leave anakin to die.

I wonder if it would be possible to show the emperor arriving early - some kind of reaction shot from obi-wan - a long look at anakin lying below him, unable to decide what to do or resolve his feelings - and then he runs off because he would be captured if he stayed a moment longer.
Darth Lucas: I am altering the trilogy. Pray I don't alter it further.
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Interesting idea, ronlaw. I'll keep that in mind. Not sure how it could work out with the footage, but all suggestions for resolving this blunder of a plot point are definitely welcome. Thanks.
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Okay, so it's probably going to be the 60th anniversary of Star Wars before I complete my Ep.3 edit, but, in the interest of contributing a little more than discussion to the forums, you can download a sequence I edited as it might appear in my final cut ( seeds_of_rebellion_OTdotcom_cut ).

When I started my edit oh so long ago, I had captured my footage via firewire from DVD into an Adobe Premiere 4x3 project, and I didn't care at the time that it wasn't anamorphic widescreen.

Upon reading and seeing the incredible detail and craftsmanship that people on this site put into their editing and DVD mastering, I just couldn't keep on the editing track I had started. I had to go anamorphic AND 5.1 surround. (Thanks to ADigitalMan for the awesome MPEG-2 editing guide!)

From the inferior 4x3 source, I probably have one-half to two-thirds of the movie edited without transitions between scenes and with only stereo audio which just begs to be remixed in parts. I am still trying to figure out the beginning and end of the movie.

I will be uploading other scenes from my inferior 4x3 source, so the forum can get an idea of the direction I'm trying to head in, namely "the-not-so-silly-Episode 3 edit".

Thanks for your patience,
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Good job DH, my EPIII edit takes me a long time too...this movie has a good story but Master Lucas has done a 'curious' editing in this one...i've seen the phantom edit EP I and EP II, and he has improved the movies so well...so i'm trying to follow his way to do my EP III edit...and it took time to use all the editing tools to have a watchable movie.. keep going DH...and MTFBWY.
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