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Ep3 was disappointing on many levels....(spoliers)

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I'm an Australian who went to the Ep3 premiere here in my home town last night. The midnight premire.

I was pumped. I was open minded. But what the f***?

This film had many many problems. I had heard reports all week about "how it was the best of the prequels" (that's not saying much), how people liked it second to "Empire"???!!!

Was I at the right movie last night??

My reasons:

* the film was soooo rushed, especially Anakin's turning. One minute he has his lightsaber at Palpy's throat, the next he's cutting off Mace's hand and watching him float out a window saying "What have I done?" and seconds later he's nealing in front of Palpatine embracing the dark side and the Sith??!!! Just like that, your no longer a Jedi, you're a Sith and off he waltzes to do some bad shit.

* R2 flying in AOTC was one thing, but shitting oil and lighting it on fire to get away from some battle droids??!! Sure.

* the editing was typical of Ben Burtt, cut and pasted like a f***ing novice.

* the use of new transition styles. What was with those checkerboard scene transitions???!!! They aren't in any of the other films but Lucas introduces them in the last film of the prequels???!!! Dumb.

* the opening space battle- what an anti-climax! The whole scene did little to push the story along, more CG showing off. Stupid camera pans, having Anakin say the Solo line from ANH "This is where the fun begins". Please.

* And the biggest thing....NO EXPLANATION OF DISAPPEARING JEDI!!!! Grrrrr that made me so angry. Its like George got to the end of the script and then forgot this part. Oh, its ok, we can have Yoda tell Obi-Wan that Qui-Gon has returned from the "nether world". A one sentence f***ing answer!!!!

* many more bad ideas, Griveous, completely unneccessary and a stupid character at that; Obi-Wan riding a giant lizard. Pointless.

This film and I guess the prequels in general had so much potential, but alas, George has failed again in my opinion. The prequels really should be shelved under "shit house" in the video store section.

No repeat viewings for me.

Lets hope the Ep3 DVD can fix up a lot of the problems this film had.


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I agree with you, especially in the points about the "overall rush" and bad editing. Too bad. With very little changes - subtle changes (wait, subtlety? I guess I'm asking for too much from GL) - it could be noticeable better.
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It's 3:10 am here, I feel like crap, but what the heck...

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Originally posted by: Dantha Fodder
I'm an Australian who went to the Ep3 premiere here in my home town last night. The midnight premire.

I was pumped. I was open minded. But what the f***?

This film had many many problems. I had heard reports all week about "how it was the best of the prequels" (that's not saying much), how people liked it second to "Empire"???!!!

Was I at the right movie last night??

My reasons:

* the film was soooo rushed, especially Anakin's turning. One minute he has his lightsaber at Palpy's throat, the next he's cutting off Mace's hand and watching him float out a window saying "What have I done?" and seconds later he's nealing in front of Palpatine embracing the dark side and the Sith??!!! Just like that, your no longer a Jedi, you're a Sith and off he waltzes to do some bad shit.




Agree...

"What have I done... No! You are the dark lord of the Sith!"
"Oh shut up and be my aprentice, Darth Vader."
"Ok."

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* R2 flying in AOTC was one thing, but shitting oil and lighting it on fire to get away from some battle droids??!! Sure.



It was ok...

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* the editing was typical of Ben Burtt, cut and pasted like a f***ing novice.



Hmn, maybe.

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* the use of new transition styles. What was with those checkerboard scene transitions???!!! They aren't in any of the other films but Lucas introduces them in the last film of the prequels???!!! Dumb.



So what? I don't care.
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* the opening space battle- what an anti-climax! The whole scene did little to push the story along, more CG showing off. Stupid camera pans, having Anakin say the Solo line from ANH "This is where the fun begins". Please.



I liked the first 20 minutes, the best part of the whole prequel trilogy.

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* And the biggest thing....NO EXPLANATION OF DISAPPEARING JEDI!!!! Grrrrr that made me so angry. Its like George got to the end of the script and then forgot this part. Oh, its ok, we can have Yoda tell Obi-Wan that Qui-Gon has returned from the "nether world". A one sentence f***ing answer!!!!



AGREE!

"OK, now I will explain you HOW Jedi remain with the force."
CUT TO C3PO
"And that's how..."
"Amazing, Master Yoda!"

WTF? Anti-climax!
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* many more bad ideas, Griveous, completely unneccessary and a stupid character at that; Obi-Wan riding a giant lizard. Pointless.



Why the hell was Grievious COUGHING?!

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This film and I guess the prequels in general had so much potential, but alas, George has failed again in my opinion. The prequels really should be shelved under "shit house" in the video store section.

No repeat viewings for me.

Lets hope the Ep3 DVD can fix up a lot of the problems this film had.



There will be repeated views for me, not this week though.


More:

* Vader: WTF?! Is that it? "Noooo......" (JE Jones dosent CARE)

* Padme dying... WTF was that?!

* The acting... Jesus... apart from Obi-Wan of course.


There are good things about it, which I'll go on later, I'm to freaking tired.

Apart from all the terrible mistakes, it is the best (should I say, less worst) film of the prequels. Slightly better than AOTC.
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I just got back and I'm disappointed as hell (as well as very tired). Sith is slightly better than the previous prequels, but it doesn't make up for the damage those films did.

So many problems ... too many to count tonight. But here's a brief list:

* Padme's death just sucked.

* Anyone notice how Padme's pregnant stomach kept expanding and contracting throughout the film? Some moments she was really full, and then right before she gave birth her tummy was totally flat in profile.

* Grievous ... stupid name; stupid character. He was better in the cartoon.

* The fact Ben just left Anakin behind to suffer in agony ... how inhumane! Man, the Jedi kinda suck.

* Why did Yoda give up so easily against the emperor? Because he lost his robe?

* R2D2 could have gotten out of dozens of scrapes in the first three films if he had half of the abilities and gadgets seen in Sith. And C3PO ... did he really deserve a memory wipe?



I will NOT see this film again in a theatre. It's long and boring ... the fight scenes go on too long to sit through in a theatre. I'll give this another shot when it hits DVD ... first as a rental. So this will be the first Star Wars film I haven't seen at least three times in a theatre.

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Why the hell was Grievious COUGHING?!


I think that was a reference to Mace Windu's force choke at the end of the Clone Wars cartoon series. Mace squished Grievous' innards using the force. I noticed tons of little nods to the Clone Wars cartoons.

No explanation makes it any better, though. The coughing was stupid and distracting in Revenge of the Sith.
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Just got back from a Cleveland 12:01AM opening:

1. For a brief shot, Windu's lightsaber was blue, anyone else see it?

2. I thought I heard Amy Allen said she DIDN'T die. Sure looks like she did to me.
(Nevermind, update from tf.n says she denies it(.

3. Ok, so Qui-gon explains how to transcend to Yoda and Yoda teaches Obi-wan.
How'd Anakin learn?

4. Anyone else get what almost appeared to be DAMAGED reels?? There was at least 2 or 3 spots where it looked like film was actually ripped (one right after the opening).

I'll be back with more once I've had a chance to sleep. I will say I really enjoyed myself.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite

Why the hell was Grievious COUGHING?!



He was coughing cause at the end of 'Clone Wars II' he got his ass kicked then he hoped on his ship and booked outta there

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.... tired.... agrees with most of above....

as to the Clone Wars cartoon 'nods', remember the cartoon production staff had access to the ROTS script and they did their best to try and FIX things that the script had already messed up.
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Did anybody notice that Luke an Leia were each roughly half the size of Natalie Portman? Her cause of death was probably from Luke and Leia eating all her organs because that's the only way they could have fit inside her.

And what was the point of Grievous?
40,000 million notches away
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You people are nitpicking waaaaaaaay too much. The movie does have some minor, minor, minor problems.

Overall, it kicked ass. Cut some slack here guys. It was good. It felt right.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
You people are nitpicking waaaaaaaay too much. The movie does have some minor, minor, minor problems.

Overall, it kicked ass. Cut some slack here guys. It was good. It felt right.


now turn your head & cough...............for all the many people who have only seen the movies, using the excuse of the cartoons books, etc to fill large logical holes carries about as much weight as "creative decision". Why can't we all agree that it is sloopy work and stop trying to find excuses for it.........

thats my rant for now, 4 1/2 hours in line in the back woods of maine, got home 3:30am and at work at 7am....still feeling annoyed at getting snooked by GL.....not even the promise explanation of lightsaber color changes alluded to when "fixs" where mentioned discussions of dvd mistakes
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I've got the "day after blues" now. Cripes, what a lame way to end the Star Wars legacy!

W2waytoo is right ... these movies should make sense without comics, cartoons, and video games. They don't ... especially this new one. Worse yet, Sith doesn't try to fix most of the prequel problems, and when it does it fails.

The whole Qui-gon thing wouldn't even be necessary had the prequels not existed. Really: when Ben turned into a phantom in the original films ... hey, it just happened! I didn't care why. It didn't need an explanation. It was a "super-powerful Jedi thing!" It wasn't until Phantom Menace did we learn that not all jedi can do that trick. Now it's something that Qui-gon astrally trains Yoda to learn? What?

More gripes:

* "Miss you I will Chewbacca." (I think that was the line.) Ew ... that's so tacky. Not as tacky as the Tarzan yells ... oh my God, I can't believe they used the Tarzan yells. Even when I was a kid I thought the Tarzan yell in Jedi was stupid, and now they've taken the worst moment in Jedi and transplanted it into sith.

* Yoda's dialogue is awful in Sith ... his verbal dyslexia is nothing short of annoying and forced. I also didn't like the CGI on him ... the animators went overboard on Yoda's skin texture. I actually liked the cgi Yoda in Clones, so I was surprised how bad he looked here.

* So Ben shows up with a baby at Owen Lars' joint and no one thinks twice. Oh ... except Ben Kenobi never met Owen and Beru, did he?! Anakin and Padme went to Tatooine in Clones, but Kenobi wasn't with them.

* I agree with anyone who says Vader's "NOOOOO" is the worst onscreen scream since Luke yelled like a girl in the Sp.Ed Empire Strikes Back.

* I wasn’t impressed by the opening battle ... the final fight in Return of the Jedi is a lot cooler. I was REALLY underwhelmed by the lava duel … you could barely see what was happening. All of the artistry of the physical fighting was lost.

* Speaking of the opening battle, why was Ben so willing to give up when he didn’t even try to push those annoying little robots off the ship using the force? He barely tried to save himself.

* No explanation of who ordered the clones (I guess the "66" command was intended to show you that Palpatine was somehow in charge of their construction). A vague possible explanation for Anakin's father was offered, but it deserved more screentime than Chewbacca did.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that Revenge of the Sith was just as weak as the first two prequels … just a different kind of weak. A dark, disjointed “weak,” not a silly kind of “weak.” Revenge of the Sith was stop/start all the way through … you’d get a big, endless battle, then the film would stop in its tracks to show you static scenes from Padme’s apartment. The pace was totally off -- things that deserved explanation were breezed over or not addressed at all while battles went on forever.

The worst thing is: I just didn't care about any of these characters. No emotional investment whatsoever. Lucas had three chances to make me care and he squandered all of them.

As far as acting goes, I thought Hayden did a much better job with material that was almost as lame as Attack of the Clones. He *almost* pulled it off. Portman was sleepwalking, and Ewan seemed like he just wanted it to be over. Ian hammed it up way too much to be taken seriously.
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Just a movie have fun with it, I like nitpicking but you guys are doing too much
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No, not all films are disappointing. If they were, no one would go to the movies.

You moan about nitpicking, but look at the source here. George Lucas is the Dark Lord of the Nitpickers. Such a nitpicker is he that he has to tamper with his own movies every few years. He'll screw around with his original films to no end, yet he lets huge glaring plot issues pass unchecked in these prequels.

I'm not going into "I Love Revenge of the Sith" threads to belittle the people who enjoyed the film, so please allow those who didn't enjoy this film some room to vent.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Disapointing a bit but arent all movies?


Well... uh.... no- not at all.

Yes one *can* nitpick any movie, but a GOOD movie (whatever type appeals to you as an individual) will sweep you away from your current reality and get you so caught up in its story that for a short period of time you are a *part* of the story.

In fact, my personal 'first indicator' of whether a film is good or not is whether at any time I find myself glancing at my watch. If I do look at it, I know the filmmakers have not done their jobs well- they lost me and kicked me out of the story. I suppose my second indicator of quality is whether or not I would want to watch the film again anytime soon. Some movies I walk out of the theater thinking 'man, I'm going to buy *that* dvd' or whatever, and some I leave, shrug my shoulders and have forgotten it within a few minutes. These are not 'SW' criteria- they go for any film, any genre.

So no, I don't feel ALL movies are disappointing- if they were, why would we watch them?
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no movies shouldnt dissapoint you, but its also really only a form of entertainment not a way of life. Yeah I agree that a good movie will keep you 'in it' even during parts that are not possible in real life. But at the same time you need to give a little to. Willing suspension of disbelief...if you dont allow yourself to set aside disbelief then you're not gonna enjoy it.

Dont get me wrong, im not saying you have to enjoy ROTS, or that you even cant express your dislike for it. by all means go ahead. But when people say reasons they didnt like it was because of a characters name (plus Darth Pagueous was way worse a name then General Grevious) or because of unrealistic gravity on a space ship that is nitpicking and there is a difference between nitpicking and venting about a movie you didnt like that you may have truely wanted to like. But i also get the impression that a lot of people (not saying people here or anyone inparticular, but more in general) will not give the PT's any real chance after their dissapointment in Episode I (a dissapointment you had to expect in the first place, cause it would never be able to meet up with 25 years of hype no matter how good it was, nor would any movie). Did i like it? yes, ive said so before. Do i have problems with it? or did I think parts were week/cheesey? Yes. But I choose to generally overlook those. Even though i liked it I still like to discuss aspects of it, and throw opinions back and forth with people that disagree with me. as it allows me to see aspects i havent noticed before. But when those are negative do i let them get in the way of my original feeling after the movie? No, It may alter it slighty but it rarely if ever stops me from liking the movie at all.

Im not trying to be all high and mighty, or lecture people that dont like the movie and force them to like it. You dont like it thats no skin off my back. I just think some of the reasons being stated for not liking it are trivial and dont really affect the movie as a whole. Maybe that was just the straw the broke the camels back type thing, i dunno.

Sorry for the slight rant, I appreciate that you dont take over threads that speak positivly about the movie and trash the people that liked it and their opinions. Im not trying to take over this thread and apologize if this comes across that way, but I think i understand where sean wookie was coming from with his comment about all movies being dissapointing to some extent and just wanted to make it clear that i may refute and say things agains your arguements im not trying to change you opinion and force you to like the movie, or take away your right to vent about it.

So vent away (not that you need my permission) just try not to nitpick to much, thats how you get an ulcer

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* So Ben shows up with a baby at Owen Lars' joint and no one thinks twice. Oh ... except Ben Kenobi never met Owen and Beru, did he?! Anakin and Padme went to Tatooine in Clones, but Kenobi wasn't with them.


There's been a rumor floating about for years that Ben and Owen are actually cousins or related in some other way, shape, or form. I've heard it many times. Even if this were not the case, I'm sure Owen and Beru have communications devices on the homestead. Ben or Bail or someone else may have contacted them ahead of time. Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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In the original RotJ novel, Ben and Owen were BROTHERS. It's implied Anakin didn't know Owen, which is why Luke was safe in his care. That's been tossed out of the cannon long since.

And why DIDN'T we see Yoda communicate with the Lars? Considering all the time wasted on eye candy in these prequels, why do we have to fill in these huge logical gaps? Especially given the fact that we have Yoda hiding Anakin's son on Anakin's home planet with people Anakin knows personally (that neither Yoda nor Ben know) ... while retaining Anakin's last name!? No wonder the Jedi fell under Yoda's not-so-keen leadership! It's amazing Yoda didn't sell the baby to Watto.

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But when people say reasons they didnt like it was because of a characters name (plus Darth Pagueous was way worse a name then General Grevious) or because of unrealistic gravity on a space ship that is nitpicking and there is a difference between nitpicking and venting about a movie you didnt like that you may have truely wanted to like.


One man's nit is another man's special edition. Sadly, these prequels offer up more nits than thrills.

Grievous' lame name is relevant because the character was as lame as the name in the final film. Darth Bubonic is still an unknown, but given Lucas' track record, he's probably as lame as his name, too. (killed in his sleep? oh my.)

You admit you're consciously trying to enjoy these films by overlooking the faults. That's your choice, and I don't really care, but remember that you can enjoy a root canal if you try hard enough, too.

I tried to enjoy these prequels ... all three of them. In fact, i think I gave the first two films more shakes than they deserved in the beginning ... until I realized that it took more effort to ignore the flaws than there was entertainment to be had from the films. Clone Wars gave me a little hope that Sith wouldn't disappoint, but that hope is dashed now.

I admit I walked out more drained and disappointed after Sith than the previous prequels because it marks the third clunker in a row, and all three films have thoroughly exhausted my ability to forgive the prequels' flaws. There's no motiviation to ignore Sith's flaws ... the prequels are over -- they were all underwhelming -- and there's no hope for improvement. That's why I'm not going to bother seeing Sith again in the theatre. If I didn't even enjoy it the first time, there's no reason to try to force it now.

I'm not alone ... the audience at last night's screening was as unenthusiastic as I am today. The only shared laughs were inspired by the love scenes. The theatre erupted into a huge guffaw when Vader yelled, "NOOOOOOO." The only shared cheer came when Yoda squashed the royal guards (that was pretty cute). No applause at the end despite an energetic opening. Everyone who lingered outside afterwards was saying that the film was a loser. And I mean EVERYONE. "That's a Star Wars film I never want to see again," said one filmgoer. "My childhood dreams are now dead," said another. "I can't believe how much that sucked," growled a guy in red Darth Vader t-shirt.



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Originally posted by: Asha
And why DIDN'T we see Yoda communicate with the Lars?


Perhaps it's just me, but I feel that scene would be completely unnecessary. If I were editing and that scene was in there, it would have been one of the first on the cutting room floor. Make your own assumptions about the scene. I don't think GL needs to handhold us through that one.

At my theater, it was overwhelmingly positive regarding the films. Lots of applause and laughter. Not a single bad word uttered on the way out.
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* So Ben shows up with a baby at Owen Lars' joint and no one thinks twice. Oh ... except Ben Kenobi never met Owen and Beru, did he?! Anakin and Padme went to Tatooine in Clones, but Kenobi wasn't with them.


There's been a rumor floating about for years that Ben and Owen are actually cousins or related in some other way, shape, or form. I've heard it many times. Even if this were not the case, I'm sure Owen and Beru have communications devices on the homestead. Ben or Bail or someone else may have contacted them ahead of time. Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Actually, Padme told Obi-Wan (and everyone eventually knew) of what happened on Tatooine. Remember how Palpatine knew about the sand people incident?
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Disapointing a bit but arent all movies?


Well... uh.... no- not at all.

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In fact, my personal 'first indicator' of whether a film is good or not is whether at any time I find myself glancing at my watch. If I do look at it, I know the filmmakers have not done their jobs well- they lost me and kicked me out of the story...


Funny you should say that... the theater I watched in this afternoon had pretty steeply banked stadium seating, so I could see nearly the whole audience. About midway through I noticed a lot of people checking the time, and that was just the ones that had indiglo watches or were checking on their cell phones! So a lot of people obviously did feel alienated.

I for one still liked it a lot, probably because I have read every novel and most of the Clone Wars graphics novels and have seen the cartoons. But it is definitely bad form to rely on them to fill the holes. GL (or at least Lucasfilm) have been saying for years that the only true canon is the films. That seems to have changed with the onset of the PT. I like it that they have set an official storyline and had authors stick to it, and small references to the novels on the side help enhance the experience for those that do read, but they absolutely shouldn't depend on them to explain things. (Kind of like the Ord Mantell line in reverse- if they had written a canonical version of the story before ESB, it would have been a neat tie-in for those that read the book, but it still would have worked just fine as a throwaway for those who didn't.)

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DID ANYONE CATCH THE CAMEO OF THE MILLIUNEUM FALCON IN CORUSCANT!!!!



Oh by the way ehh why the fuck did we not see Yoda on Dagobah?

also.... Why did'nt Obi Wan say "This boy will be our hope" at the end or something.


Grievous sucked ass. Nice one Lucas you have transported the killer droid into a clown.

No Liam Neeson (get the hell out of here)

The battle between Obi & Ani was'nt that long.

As an Emperor fan & fan of Ian, in some places he was just a tiny bit over the top. (but he stilled ruled!!!)

The minor chracters should have been in the film a lot. (yes even Jar Jar, Queen Jamila (whatever her name is), Kit fisto, such and such)



Chewbacca only in the film for 10 mins and only 6 growls nice one Lucas.

sighs far too much war and stuff i would have actually wanted a lot of boring dialogue.


The battle droids voices are pansies. Nice one again!!

"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Originally posted by: Asha
In the original RotJ novel, Ben and Owen were BROTHERS. It's implied Anakin didn't know Owen, which is why Luke was safe in his care. That's been tossed out of the cannon long since.


true, ill admit i think lucas botched up the relationship between own/ben/anakin/luke but that was done before this movie. Actually, from what ben tells Luke in ANH (he thought your father should stay here and take care of the farm, or something along those lines) so there are implications that Anakin knows Owen.

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And why DIDN'T we see Yoda communicate with the Lars? Considering all the time wasted on eye candy in these prequels, why do we have to fill in these huge logical gaps? Especially given the fact that we have Yoda hiding Anakin's son on Anakin's home planet with people Anakin knows personally (that neither Yoda nor Ben know) ... while retaining Anakin's last name!? No wonder the Jedi fell under Yoda's not-so-keen leadership! It's amazing Yoda didn't sell the baby to Watto.



agree with bossk, i dont need to be spoon fed every little detail, you can use your own imagination to fill in minor gaps like that.

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But when people say reasons they didnt like it was because of a characters name (plus Darth Pagueous was way worse a name then General Grevious) or because of unrealistic gravity on a space ship that is nitpicking and there is a difference between nitpicking and venting about a movie you didnt like that you may have truely wanted to like.


One man's nit is another man's special edition. Sadly, these prequels offer up more nits than thrills.

Grievous' lame name is relevant because the character was as lame as the name in the final film. Darth Bubonic is still an unknown, but given Lucas' track record, he's probably as lame as his name, too. (killed in his sleep? oh my.)



Darth Bubonic...haha, thats good.

but on that, i interpreted that as Darth Plagueous being Palps master which adds motivation and reason for his disregard for his Aprentices and willingness (and actualy mindset) to essentially replace them every now and then.

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You admit you're consciously trying to enjoy these films by overlooking the faults. That's your choice, and I don't really care, but remember that you can enjoy a root canal if you try hard enough, too.



actually i said i overlook the minor mistakes/goofs/inconsistancies, whatever you want to call them and dont let those get in the way of my enjoying the movie as a whole. Thats differnt that conscoisly trying to enjoy the films as there is no trying i actually do enjoy them, but afterward when i reflect on the movie i dont let the little/minor things stop me from enjoying it.

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I tried to enjoy these prequels ... all three of them. In fact, i think I gave the first two films more shakes than they deserved in the beginning ... until I realized that it took more effort to ignore the flaws than there was entertainment to be had from the films. Clone Wars gave me a little hope that Sith wouldn't disappoint, but that hope is dashed now.

I admit I walked out more drained and disappointed after Sith than the previous prequels because it marks the third clunker in a row, and all three films have thoroughly exhausted my ability to forgive the prequels' flaws. There's no motiviation to ignore Sith's flaws ... the prequels are over -- they were all underwhelming -- and there's no hope for improvement. That's why I'm not going to bother seeing Sith again in the theatre. If I didn't even enjoy it the first time, there's no reason to try to force it now.

I'm not alone ... the audience at last night's screening was as unenthusiastic as I am today. The only shared laughs were inspired by the love scenes. The theatre erupted into a huge guffaw when Vader yelled, "NOOOOOOO." The only shared cheer came when Yoda squashed the royal guards (that was pretty cute). No applause at the end despite an energetic opening. Everyone who lingered outside afterwards was saying that the film was a loser. And I mean EVERYONE. "That's a Star Wars film I never want to see again," said one filmgoer. "My childhood dreams are now dead," said another. "I can't believe how much that sucked," growled a guy in red Darth Vader t-shirt.


Im not alone either. Im convinced (not saying you) that their are people that while they said they went in wanting to enjoy the movie, and hoping it would be better, deep down the really wanted it to fail because otherwise they wouldnt be justified in hating the Prequals, and they wouldnt be able to hate them all or justify all their comments against Lucas. There were some cheers and laughs during my screening. Minor applause at the end. But I enjoyed it, do i applaud at any movie, no, not really. I know people that think its dumb when people applaud cause its not like the actors can actually hear you cheering them does that mean they enjoy a movie less than someone that does applaud? No.

either way, im done, like i said, your free to be dissapointed in the movies all you want, you can even hate them for all i care, im not trying to convince you of anything. I just think there is too much focusing on the negative and think people should give themselves a fair chance when watching the movies.

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post