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The fact that they're both called skywalker would be a bit of a clue though even if you could find a way to keep it secret till Empire. In fact, why the hell did the Lars/obi wan not change Luke's name for his own protection. In fact, why the hell didn't Obi-wan change his name - calling yourself Ben Kenobi is hardly a foolproof alias - luke put 2 and 2 together quickly enough. And hiding baby luke with Darth Vader's step brother (only living relatives in fact) wasn't too smart either.

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Obi-wan cant think anakin is dead...i mean it works as far as not reveiling vader...but then it makes Obi-wan an out right liar. Cause he tells luke vader killed anakin, and if he thinks anakin is dead, and knows he pushed him in the fire then he wouldnt know this is only a 'certain point of view'

i think something along these lines could work...maybe during their fight Anakin is in a position to kill Obi-wan and as his last escape the only move he can make ends up knocking Anakin into the lava...well not directly...he's like hanging on the edge saberless (not trying to make this all like the Maul fight). Anakin then does that cliche bad guy, oh no, dont let me die thing...obi wan trys to help him, maybe gets pulled down and is also hanging from some edge...they struggle and anakin mainly just trying to pull obi wan down not really seeming to care for his own saftey. Obi-wan manages to fend him off, but in the process knocks anakin into the lava...maybe have anakin just give one of those creepy evil smiles he has as he falls (or yell "I'll be back" )

I dunno, think im mixing a few ideas, cause one was that when obi-wan offers to help and tells anakin he can be forgiven and repent and all that crapola, anakin just kinda reaches up his hand like he's gonna take it then lets go and falls in...then giving the evil (knowing) smile as he falls. I dunno...just really rough ideas.

As far Han/Lando and the falcon...something like that could work, but i think it should be something more underhanded...not a threat...like maybe a game of sabaac (i think thats the 'poker' game they play in star wars). fully legit game, so there are impartial third parties..maybe even a judge. Stakes get high, Lando is loosing maybe basically on his last hand, has a killer hand but no money to bet on it so he wagers the falcon knowing he cant loose (he has like the second best hand in the game) Han accepts and when they show their cards Han has the best hand or something...beats him buy like the poker equivelant of. Lando knows Han cheated (which he did) but it cant be proved...know one actually saw anything and the official calls it a fair play...Lando is now bitter about loosing the falcon.

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
The fact that they're both called skywalker would be a bit of a clue though even if you could find a way to keep it secret till Empire. In fact, why the hell did the Lars/obi wan not change Luke's name for his own protection. In fact, why the hell didn't Obi-wan change his name - calling yourself Ben Kenobi is hardly a foolproof alias - luke put 2 and 2 together quickly enough. And hiding baby luke with Darth Vader's step brother (only living relatives in fact) wasn't too smart either.


pfft, you and your silly logic

actually, if you never show that anakin is vader it will kinda work...only problem is that you then cannot show obi-wan 'kill' vader...and the whole anakin is totally evil...yeah...like i said before...silly logic, it has no place here

this is why i think no mater what you do, and even though the suggestions i made will make the movie flow (albeit) killing a few suprises in a chronological order...i think the movie is really best suited for watching OT then PT at least the first time you ever see it...after you have seen it i think it would work either way. And im not saying this is because of how Lucas did the PT, its more of because of the story that people wanted and that he chose to tell combined with the fact that of the order they were made and that there was obviously no thought given to making the backstory for the original OT (cause then things like changing lukes last name could have been done...though luke lars just doesnt have that ring to it).

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Awesome D. S.!

Luke: No, my father didn't fight in the clone wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter.
Ben: That's what your father told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals; thought he shouldn't have gotten involved.
Luke: You fought in the clone wars?
Ben: Yes, I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father.
Luke: I wish I would have known him.
Ben: He was a great pilot. I've heard you've become quite a pilot yourself. And he was a good friend. Which reminds me...I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He thought you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn-fool adventure.
Luke: What is it?
Ben: Your father's lightsaber. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. A more elegant weapon for a more civilized age. That was before the dark times. Before the Empire.
Luke: How did my father die?
Ben: Darth Vader, once a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the emperor hunt down and kill the Jedi. He betrayed and murdered your father.

Sorry if that's not quiet correct, I was writing it from memory. I typed that up to analyze what would episode III would need to be like in order for to be preserve the OT.

Nevermind the fact that Owen never has any disagreement with Anakin that we see in AOTC about being involved in the Clone Wars. Did he even have a choice? He was a Jedi and the war strted around him, what was he supposed to do? Anyway...

THE LIGHTSABER: Apparently Anakin either knew about his children or Ben is a liar. It also calls into question how he got the lightsaber?

Did Anakin give it to him?

Did Anakin tell Obi-Wan to give it to his son when he was old just as he was sacrificing himself for Obi-Wan? I like this idea, but we know that Anakin and Obi-Wan have this incredible duel where Anakin falls into a pit of molten lava. Doesn't sound like any sacrifice to me.

"He wanted you to have this" - did he know Padme was pregnant? If not, than Obi-Wan is a liar. If he did, why doesn't he look for them? Unless he thinks the children died with Padme perhaps? Obi-Wan so non-chalantly tells Luke that he wanted him to have it, but the Jedi Order forbid marrigae and attachments. Did Anakin confide his excitement about being a dad to Obi-Wan? Doesn't make sense.

"Darth Vader, once a pupil of mine" - when did Obi-Wan train Darth Vader? Obi-Wan either didn't know that Anakin and Darth Vader were the same person, or he was a liar.

I don't have a problem with Ben being a liar, I have a problem with not being surprised during TESB when Vader reveals the truth. So for episode IV, we need Obi-Wan to believe he is telling the truth. But how do we explain the end of Episode IV and the the ghost scene in ROTJ. Obi-Wan knew it was him. So, he must know, but we can't. In episode III, we need to have some way of explaining the "Darth Vader, once a pupil of mine" line, and we need to have a scene where it is obvious that Obi-learns the truth, but we don't know what that truth is. For example, Obi-Wan is storming through a star destroyer and takes out many clone troopers. He is attempting to make it to the chamber at the end of the hall where he believes Palpatine is. He makes it in and the camera is pointed towards Obi-Wan but the is a drak figure in front of the camera and we see him without his mask on from behind. Like in TESB. By the time the camera flips towards the dark figure his mask is back in place. We know Obi-Wan learned his identity, but we don't know who it is. Than the lying about the lightsaber could be forgiven because we just think that Obi-Wan is trying to make Anakin in to a better image for Luke than we know he was by the end of ROTS. Since we saw that Obi-Wan saw who Darth Vader was we can take what he says as "once a pupil of mine" as a clue to his identity. We don't have to worry about Luke and Anakin having the same last name if we think that Anakin is dead.
As for the logic of hiding and not changing them....uhh....

It all makes sense except for one thing. The only student we know that Obi-Wan had was Anakin. How do we get past that?

Hit me.

Oh, and what is the thing about Han/Lando/Chewbacca? Is that part of an idea for the prequels? Sorry, I'm lost.

One more thing - about Ben saying "he betrayed and murdered your father." could be explained by showing Darth Vader taking credit for the death anakin, for turning him. During that same scene I described even. Obi-Wan is angry because he basically had to kill Anakin. He tries to get to Palpatine, but finds Vader/Anakin instead. Anakin/Vader has kind of gone mad at this time and starts ranting about how he was responsible for Anakin/his death. How he let the evil free that led to his death. I don't know, what do you gusy think?
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Ben: That's what your Uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals; thought he shouldn't have gotten involved.

Ben: He was a great pilot. I've heard you've become quite a pilot yourself. And he was a good friend. Which reminds me...I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He thought you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn-fool idealistic mission.

Sorry if that's not quiet correct, I was writing it from memory. I typed that up to analyze what would episode III would need to be like in order for to be preserve the OT.


those are the only errors i saw, but also from memory so pretty good (not sure if its mission or crusade)

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Nevermind the fact that Owen never has any disagreement with Anakin that we see in AOTC about being involved in the Clone Wars. Did he even have a choice? He was a Jedi and the war strted around him, what was he supposed to do? Anyway...


yeah...this brings up how Obi-Wan should have met Anakin during the clone wars but whatever...and just cause we dont see it on screen doesnt mean it wont happen...we're not actually gonna see Anaking and Padme 'make their children'

wont quote the next part cause it would be too long.

But like you said, I dont really think Obi-Wan is lying...he's twisting the facts because he doesnt want to be like Luke, about your dad, he was/is the most evil person alive next to the empire...he killed hundreds of jedi so i tossed him in a pit of lava took his saber and am no giving it to you, enjoy!

Basically i agree, unless it appears that Anakin is dead, and Obi-Wan somehow knows otherwise the Skywalker thing gives it away...which i was gonna say eliminates vader from the third movie but not really. What about this, similar to Rebel11_38's idea. Anakin and Obi-Wan fight with Anakin ending in the pit of lava, we all think hes dead as does Obi-Wan. Then the whole scene with Obi-Wan running through a star destroyer going after the emporer and he comes into the room he thinks it is, or even passes through a med ward and he sees vader and then there can be a body that we are mad to believe is Anakins, but maybe we just see his old burnt up clothes and lightsaber...Obi walks up to it all saddened (cue the solemn music) picks up the saber etc. then we hear the unmasked vaders voice...not Hayden's voice but kinda of a raspy version of JEJ, i mean he was tossed in lava, im sure he has some vocal cord damage and its partially going through the voice modulator (maybe the voice says your friend is no more or something like that) Obi-Wan turns around, and see's vader on the other side of the room...mask off like said, camera angle hiding the face from us as the mask is lowered down (after he is masked he stands up and we get to see vader for the first time in his full glory), he's in a much less elaborate dome thing like we see in Empire. This makes it just look like he's just in the med center for the respirator.

maybe they struggle, vader obviously overpowering Obi-Wan and Obi is loosing ground fast (mind you this is during a big space battle outside cause they are on a ship) Obi-Wan knows he cant win, force still on his side though the Star Destroyer gets hit close to where they are...sparks everywhere, dust, equipment falls, Kenobi makes a retreat using this cover...it clears and Vader sees Obi-Wan left and walks out of the room (ala bring me the crew for questioning i want those plans on the Tantive IV, turns and walks out with authority)...in case you didnt pick up on it, Obi-Wan still has Anakin's saber from the pile of burnt clothes and stuff. So end result at this point is, We see vader, Obi-Wan knows who he is, we think Anakin is dead...the whole lava pit still happens.

The whole last name thing works like said, cause now we think Anakin is dead. As far the one student...this is tricky, mainly because if i remember this discussion is just dealing with the third movie and leaving episode I and II intact. Changing one and two we could have other students before anakin and minor references to them could be made, but as it stands Obi-Wan goes from Padawan to Anakin's Master...I guess, and this is kinda strecthing, that if in episode III Anakin is no longer a padawan, obi-wan could take on a new student, but at this point with a war brewing and all that this wouldnt likely happen. Plus who would want to be his student, look at how is previous student turned out

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Oh, and what is the thing about Han/Lando/Chewbacca? Is that part of an idea for the prequels? Sorry, I'm lost.


I dont think this delt directly with your how to make episode III work questioning, but more of ideas of what the PT in general could have been/included.

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One more thing - about Ben saying "he betrayed and murdered your father." could be explained by showing Darth Vader taking credit for the death anakin, for turning him. During that same scene I described even. Obi-Wan is angry because he basically had to kill Anakin. He tries to get to Palpatine, but finds Vader/Anakin instead. Anakin/Vader has kind of gone mad at this time and starts ranting about how he was responsible for Anakin/his death. How he let the evil free that led to his death. I don't know, what do you gusy think?


this would also appear to be the case because it would be vader in the med room with anakins "remains" and his comment/Obi-Wan's reaction could then be taken as you killed my friend...maybe Obi-Wan thinks Anakin is dead, but then hears something that he is alive on this ship, so (since he was reckless in his youth) he takes off and gets on this ship to find him, so its not Palpatine he's looking for but his friend who still wants to save. then he comes across the charred cloths and the lightsaber and we maybe see a random body in the background that we cant identify.

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Darth Simon, I think making the PT into one story would have been a great idea. Lucas would never have the guts to do it. He wanted to stick to the the formula rather than try something new. Before Lord of the Rings, I can't think of anyone else doing three movies as one story.
Also, I agree that both Yoda's fate and Leia's parentage should be up in the air until the Original Trilogy. Maybe as a squadron of soldiers are bearing down on them, Yoda hands Luke to Kenobi and says something like, "Our only hope this one may be. Safe keep him you will. More fight do I still have this day." Then he can go jumping into battle whatever is coming with Amadala screaming giving birth to Leia in the background. That would preserve the shock of seeing Yoda alive and Leia as Luke's sister.
Rebel11_38, the only way to write Episode 3 to make it so the audience doesn't know Anakin is Vader is to give Kenobi another apprentice. You can't have Anakin with "Sith Eyes", can't have the Anakin-Kenobi duel, or show Anakin alive after falling into the lava. You would have to have Anakin duel the other apprentice. The other apprentice would win and escape. He would have either never be seen again, run into the Emperor, or meet with a fate that could either kill him or force him into the suit. Kenobi will either think Vader is the other apprentice or force sense Vader is Anakin. Although, in order for this to really have worked as a movie, the other apprentice would have needed to be introduced in Episode 2.
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I would agree with you GlopOfGrease except that Obi-Wan basically admits that he lied to Luke in ROTJ. Luke knows that Obi-Wan lied to him even though Obi-Wan tries to disguise it as a "certain point of view." Yoda knows that Vader and Anakin are the same guy...

I suppose you could have Yoda learn the truth, which is something we wouldn't necessarily see in the movie, but he could tell Obi-Wan about it later. Maybe.

I was approaching this question as if the first two movies and the original trilogy don't change. I just want to see what would need to be done in episode III in order to make it continitous. Since Obi-Wan admits that he lied and why, all we need to do is explain that one line "once a pupil of mine." That is the only thing that I can see keeping the ideas that Darth Simon and I put out from being possible.

I agree that Leia's parentage should also be kept a surprise.

I'm still thinking of a way to get wround that one line...

Stay tuned for the next puzzle
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I dont think any mention of Leia should really be made, keeping the aspect that luke is Anakin's son is gonna be impossible so knowing that Padme is pregnant is ok, but if the effect you want is to be able to watch PT then OT and not have the suprises in OT ruined you need to leave out the fact that Padme had twins. Smarter audience members will prob be able to figure out that Vader is Luke's father...but it would be hard if done right...if you can get the ending so everyone thinks Anakin is dead and not vader, then its possible. and doing this actually opens up the obi wan ending scene on tatooine to allow the dropping off of luke at the lars homestead, and can actually be used to reinforce the 'Anakin is dead' idea.

basically the 'ending' would be something along these lines.
bleh, ok, gonna do more of the movie cause too much info comes into play that it would be the whole movie.

The clone wars are wrapping up, this uses that the clone wars cartoon handles all clone war info. so basically we would come in with no grevious because he has been killed after killing many jedi (leaving plenty alive for vader to later kill). Anakin still seems like a good guy, he may be working with palpatine but we dont know and dont see any of this, we may still see Palpatine manuevering him as a senator but no linkage of anakin to palpatine as far as a jedi/sith connection. So the war is ending and the Jedi think they are close to victory, the Supreme Chancellor (Palpatine) seemingly has pretty much regained control of the senate again, and the Jedi have are going after what they think is the remainder of the resistance, but have started to do some rebuilding.

Due to his performance in the Clone Wars, Anakin is no longer a padawan and Obi-Wan reluctantly takes on a new student at the behest of the Jedi Council (as do most masters/knights) to help rebuild the Jedi. (possible could give Anakin a student as well) this could allow for some good story and stuff to help build tension between Obi-Wan and Anakin. Obi-Wan is still trying to teach Anakin who doesnt want to learn, he thinks he knows it all, the Jedi Council has made him a Jedi Knight after all. Exact details and all im at a lack for right now, but basically at one point it gets pretty serious, they are on a joint mission to destroy one of the last remaining resistance sells, or independant and they meet up, i think joint works better. Obi wan is leading it, but Anakin doesnt like that, he doesnt want to take orders from Obi-Wan anymore, he is after all a Jedi Knight, and a more powerful one at Obi-Wan at that (at least in his eyes). They end up fighting and during hte fight anakin gets knocked into the pit, Obi-Wan tries to help him and while he is pulling him up Anakin pulls Obi-Wan down and he is now on the edge...Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom struggle like the one he had with the witchdoctor guy on the rope bridge and anakin falls into the lava...Obi-Wan is mortified...he returns, his mission unfufilled, to give the bad news and all that. (Padme is already pregnent at this part).

Somehow the jedi get intellegence and he finds out somehow that Anakin survived and is being held on a starship by the 'seperatists' and Obi-Wan (possibly against the will of the councel) goes to rescue Anakin. Meanwhile the clone army is preparing its final attack against this ship. Kenobi gets aboard this main ship of the seperatists and is searching for anakin, this is where he comes to the Med center and sees the burnt cloths (solemn music) and lightsaber (he now has Anakins saber to give to luke in ANH). As he 'gets teary eyed' over what remains of Anakin, he hears a vader-like voice...a raspy JEJ, partially through the voice modulator but no helmet. the voice says 'Your friend is no more' (maybe dead, seems a little strong though) He turns and we see vader, helmet off, face obscured by Obi-Wan. The camera pans around as the helmet is lowered and when we finally see the face it is covered by the helmet, he is in a similar device to the meditation chamber in Empire, just not as elaborate. he stands up and bam, we see vader. Obviously they fight, it wouldnt make sense otherwise or would make vader look like he has a soft spot for Obi-Wan, hinting at his identity and that he's not all bad. so they fight and (remember the battle going on outside at this point from the clone army) a torpedo hits the ship near them and causes sparks and dusk and equipment to fall. Obi-Wan, knowing that vader is more than he can handle (again, this hints its not Anakin, because they are evenly matched during the lava fight, and obi-wan maybe even seems to have the upper hand at points) takes this distraction as a way to escape.

Now Its possible at this time that Palpatine makes his move to take control and the Jedi Temple gets wiped out, we see people like mace die but dont see anything of yoda, Kenobi comes back to a ruined temple and we then see him go to padme (silent, only music playing) he tells her something (we cant here it cause its silent) she starts to sob...she has to die at this point, maybe another attack on the Imperial City and as they try to make there escape she gets killed and this is when the Luke pass off occurs) Actually, as much as i like that silent scene with sad music with the silent message we assume is Obi-wan telling Padme Anakin is dead, i think that has to go. OK, i think the best way to handle this is he comes back, Padme is at the Jedi Academy Nursery with luke and leia, there are other children so we dont know its leia, she isnt actually shown or somehting, this scene may need ironing out but hte concept is here. where there are children playing..he's talking ot yoda out side of the room and while we cant hear it we know they are talking about anakin being dead and telling Padme (though its really that anakin is vader ). As they go in to tell her there is an attack on the temple...Chaos ensues, Jedi are dropping like flys...Yoda, Mace and Obi-Wan take action. Obi-wan however goes to help padme while the others go into the thick of it (we can see Mace die, but Yoda's fate is left uncertain. Bail Organ meets up with the fleeing Obi-wan, Padme, and Babies (has to be done to show only one). they get to the hanger and just outside padme is seriously injured and she gives Luke to Ben, Bail Organa Takes off in his ship (he has leia) and Obi wan takes off in his. Fade to him landing outside the lars farmstead. Silent scene from the distance, Obi-wan telling them the news and giving them luke. We see the shock on Owen's face, and Beru takes the baby crying...Obi-wan heads back to his ship...scene cuts again to a balcony of the capitol building with Emperor Palpatine looking over troops of Stormtroopers. vader steps up into site...Evil type music is playing switching to Imperia March as vader comes in...usual star wars type transition to credits.

-Darth Simon

*edit: Imagine what i would come up with if i wasnt at work
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Yeah! I love this thread! It gets excited about star wars again.

I think that Anakin needs to believe he killed Padme and along with her their children. Then after he falls into the lava pit and is resurrected as Darth Vader, he would be consumed with evil, anger, frustration...on the brink of losing it. During the scene in the med-lab that would explain his bi-polar converstion with Obi-Wan. It would also give a hint to why Obi-Wan tells Luke that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered his father, because the last time he saw him he had become someone/thing else. I just want to stress that.


D. S. are you kidding? I get some of my best ideas when I'm not working
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Im having a great time writing these little plot outlines and each time someone posts something i get even more inspired and end up writing really long responses with ideas to try and fill the plot holes left by lucas
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Personally, I think Yoda's "death" should be hinted at in ROTS, so that his re-emergence in ESB is still a surprise regardless of the order that you view the films.

OT -> PT: There's another Jedi?

PT -> OT: Yoda's still alive?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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That's a great idea MeBe! But how would we....

I just realized that would be another surprise ruined in the OT. We now know who and what Yoda is (what he looks like). When we first watch TESB we don't know who the crazy little green guy is. Again, I don't like tampering with the OT, but if we changed Obi-Wan's lines in TESB from "Luke, you must go to Dagobah. There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi master who taught me." to "Luke, you must go to Dagobah. There you will learn from the Jedi master who taught me." Luke also whimpers out Yoda's name and that too would have to be edited out.

But, as soon as we see Yoda the gig would be up. At least there would be a surprise in who the Jedi master is.

If we make it so we think that Yoda is dead at the end of ROTS that would a pretty cool intro for Yoda. He's alive!

You have any ideas on how the supposed death of Yoda would play out MeBe?
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MeBe im missing the suprise from OT -> PT

what do you mean 'There's another Jedi' didnt we always know there used to be lots of Jedi? pretty sure I did.

As far as Yoda's death. I kinda cover this in the one of my really long posts so it might have been missed.

Basically, in one scenerio, after everyone is back at Coruscant there is a 'raid' on the Jedi temple and the place is destroyed (remember we never see the Jedi temple in the real OT) in the scenerio I gave, we would know that Bail Organa would be there (he's more running to a hangar) and we know that Obi-Wan gets off with Luke. We actually see Mace die and thats kind of the end of that, we dont know the fate of any other Jedi, except as Obi-Wan tells us in ANH, Vader hunted down and killed them all. The last shot we see of the Jedi Temple is it basically getting destroyed...so we would be lead to believe that all the Jedi in it died.

Now i could argue that we dont even see Obi-Wan get off the planet with Luke, all we see is them trying to escape maybe, and Padme's death...though this can be handled earlier on in the story, but closer to the end makes it easier to hide Leia from the audience's knowledge. If we know Padme is pregnant, we can have the whole introduction to luke (at least when we first find out his name) even be a suprise...so basically at the end of episode III every character except vader and palpatine are presumed dead (Yoda, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Padme and the child she gave birth to (we are unaware of a second child, Leia) of course we who have seen the OT all know that everyone there but Padme survived.

My one qualm with this, which prob isnt a big deal, is that we really have no suprise going from OT to PT. We see these people dying off, but we know they really didnt die...going the other way though, we would assume they are all dead until we meet them in episode IV...Owen Lars' comment about Obi-Wan dying about the same time as Luke's father would appear to be true.

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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I think what MeBe is saying is if you watch the OT and then when you get to the ROTS in the prequels the movie says there is another Jedi. Because Yoda's death is implied rather than shown, and we know Yoda is alive and well on Dagobah in TESB, than when we hear that there is another Jedi around by the end of ROTS, we don't think Yoda, we wonder who this other Jedi is. It is only hinted that Yoda died at the end of the ROTS, and since we know he is okay, we don't necessarily connect the two.

That's what I got from the OT > PT surprise. If that's not it, then maybe MeBe will explain it for us.
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I guess i can see that...but i envisioned the ending of ROTS more like the ending to Empire, just a silent scene (well it would have score music, but no dialog, voice over included). Kind of at the point that its now like, Palpatine is now emporer, he now has full control over basically everything...bring on the dark times...but the movie would never actually cover any of the atrocities and hardships during his rule...that would all be left to the imagination of the viewers...but you would know he's evil and that these things will happen...even if you watch the PT before the OT.

also, as far as Obi-Wan having a student...I have a question...how old do you think Obi-Wan is in Episode I and then in Episode IV (if you read the question/answer column in the latest insider that gives his age at these points dont respond with that as i know them and will post it after i get a few responses) what im looking for is how hold you basically thought he was in Episode IV, and how old you think he should be at the start of Episode I

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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I also read the answers in INSIDER 80, so I will try not to think of that when I answer. Judging from the first time I saw The Phantom Menace, I would guess he was about 22. In episode IV I thought he was in his mid-sixties. For the prequels I minagined I would have him be about 30, or early thirties. Old enough to have some real experience and to look old enough to be a teacher. This is also assuming that Anakin is about the same age as Obi-Wan in the Phantom Menace; late teens to early twenties.

I once read that real human life-spans don't correspond to Star Wars. I think it was in an article inside a Insider a while back. Someone wrote in asking how Luke and Han and the rest can be so active for being so old. The guy wrote back something to the effect of look at Ben in episode IV....and then he said that the average life span for a human in Star Wars is between 150-175 years. I think they are just trying to make it possible to keep writing as many books as possible without losng believability
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My ideal prequel trilogy would have depicted Anakin as a quiet, emotionally repressed drifter pilot with no knowledge of his past, his anger stemming from his sense of rootlessness. When he befriends Obi-Wan, he initially declines to take up Obi-Wan on his offer to become a Jedi and fight in the Clone Wars, which deal primarily a dying race of Darth Maul-esque creatures using cloning technology to keep their race alive and are trying to destroy the Republic for their oppression. Obi-Wan eventually persuades him, and as Anakin confronts the Dark Side, his personality gradually splits in two - the essential good half that is Anakin and the dark, mean, sadistic half that is Darth Vader, until finally the fragmentation causes the Vader personality to overwhelm and devour the Anakin personality. When Obi-Wan confronts the pre-mechanical Vader, after a spectacular fight, he throws down his lightsaber in a fashion similar to how Luke rejects the Emperor in ROTJ. Vader almost kills him, but what little bit of Anakin is still in him won't let him, so he hurls himself over the side and into the lava, only to find that death alludes him and fate leaves him as the half-maimed machine man villain we knew and loved from the old trilogy.

Oh and his lover, the mother of Luke & Leia, would have been a lady Jedi just to cut down on time constraints and leave out all that crap we put up with in AOTC about forbidden affairs 'cause my Jedi would not have believed in that "no love" junk.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

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All right! Now that is what I'm talking about! That whole scene you just described was great. I would really like to hear more detail. Would we learn anything about his past in the movies? What would the Emperor/Palpatine role in the story be?

The whole personality split is something I touched in one of the previous posts. I really like the way you handled that element in your depiction.
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Do you think that Episodes I & II could be condensed into one movie? I think most of the story elements could be condensed to make one solid film, but could the two movies be edited together believably?

What do you all think? I would like to hear about both it from both viewpoints. Looking at it practically, (meaning could the editing actually be done to make it happen), and hypothetically (just the story itself).

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I imagined the PT storyline to be disconnected from the OT as much as possible with minimum characters from the OT.
(That would have been the sensible thing to have done)
Lucas really started digging himself a F*ckin' big hole when he decided to include so many OT characters in the PT.
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Obiwan
Yoda
Anakin
Palpatine
Chewie...

Hm.. that only seems to be five. That's hardly 'so many'...

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But its a pretty big majority of the OT characters.
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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I forget Boba Fett, dang it.

Anyway, still, just be glad he didn't include Bossk, Solo, or Thrawn. That might be over crowded.

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You also forgot Mon Mothma, Tarkin, and probably Ackbar.

Oh, Luke and Leia as well.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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There went the validity of Chaltab's snide remark.
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."