Emanswfan's Prequel Trilogy (Ep II Opening Clips Now Available) — Page 3

So Geonosis might not look exactly the same in this edit,  (I appologize for after effects rendering error, I keep getting the mainconcept logo?!)

Anyhow, the first trailer for my Ep. II edit is coming very soon!

I've been pondering more and more how I will do the other two films, and I certainly want to do something just as radical as they'll need them.

But now, I've figured a way I might be able to do some more radical changes to the trilogy: moving material Episodes I, II, and III freely about all three films.  I know I have to keep most material within their own films, but you'd be surprised how much you can do.

I'm really looking at the original films even more, and looking at the Pt, there's some new plots that can be formed to make some interesting things.

One thing I plan to do is have Episode II end with Palpatine's capture by Dooku.  It's possible fottage and FX-wise and will give it a simmular feel to Episode 5's ending which goes virtually right into 6.  I also am working way more with Episode II for this to work.  If anything, I'd love to make Episode II an overall darker film than III.

So within a couple weeks, I'll have the teaser trailer for my Ep. II edit up, along with a new clip or two.

Ooh, this is very exciting!

So one thing, I've now thinking about switching the way I'll be editing these films.  I might want to edit them in reference to machette order (4,5,1,2,3,6) instead of chronological (1,2,3,4,5,6).  It has nothing to do with the fact it is harder to get the PT to work chronologically, it's more that I prefer to show Anakin become Vader but still want ROTJ to end the saga.  Another reason, is also the higher level of action that exists in these films that are clearly trying to be on top.  I will still make it sure ROTJ is still the most action-packed episode, by leaving out stuff like force lightning in Episode III.

I am still going to keep Sidious in Episode I, but not make it obvious it is Palpatine till Palpatine tells the audience.  I want his reveal to be a revelation to the audience, but I also want him to stay in Episode I to let his scenes mirror Darth Vader scenes from ANH, as my TPM edit will very closely mirror ANH as much as possible.  ATOC will mirror ESB much more in the restructure, and ROTS will closely mirror ROTJ, the difference being the good guys don't come out on top.

However this brings the mirroring films idea, an idea that would make more sense chronlogically.

So, should I go machette order or chronological?

You're going for radical.  You're going for different.  I long ago suggested that someone should eventually reorder the films.  I love having a variety of different takes on the trilogies, and it would be neat to see them designed to be viewed in this order.  I say go for the machette order :)

Ryan McAvoy said:

Would love to see some more re-coloured screenshots from this edit. Hint... the Padme's apartment scene? (Terrible orange faces in the original version).

you've looked at these right?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Prequels-35mm-Filmized-Editions-by-Emanswfan/topic/15033/

emanswfan said:

So one thing, I've now thinking about switching the way I'll be editing these films.  I might want to edit them in reference to machette order (4,5,1,2,3,6) instead of chronological (1,2,3,4,5,6).  It has nothing to do with the fact it is harder to get the PT to work chronologically, it's more that I prefer to show Anakin become Vader but still want ROTJ to end the saga.  Another reason, is also the higher level of action that exists in these films that are clearly trying to be on top.  I will still make it sure ROTJ is still the most action-packed episode, by leaving out stuff like force lightning in Episode III.

I am still going to keep Sidious in Episode I, but not make it obvious it is Palpatine till Palpatine tells the audience.  I want his reveal to be a revelation to the audience, but I also want him to stay in Episode I to let his scenes mirror Darth Vader scenes from ANH, as my TPM edit will very closely mirror ANH as much as possible.  ATOC will mirror ESB much more in the restructure, and ROTS will closely mirror ROTJ, the difference being the good guys don't come out on top.

However this brings the mirroring films idea, an idea that would make more sense chronlogically.

So, should I go machette order or chronological?

Would it be possible to have an edit where it can be shown in machette order AND chronological order? For example not mention the name skywalker in episodes 1-3 or something like that. I don't mind really, either way I bet these movies' will be far superior to the original prequel trilogy

shadowsabre66 said:

Would it be possible to have an edit where it can be shown in machette order AND chronological order? For example not mention the name skywalker in episodes 1-3 or something like that. I don't mind really, either way I bet these movies' will be far superior to the original prequel trilogy

That would seem to be a tough one, because technically something edited chronlogically would have no vader reveal, but something machette order can show anakin becoming vader.  I guess if I removed the skywalker name, and left Anakin becoming Vader with Padme living but not showing her give birth to the twins.  The genders would not be referenced as to leave Luke's sibling completely anonymous.

The only issue with this is still the action in the films.  Clearly the action in the PT is made in a way to watch the films 4,5,6,1,2,3 as the Episode I tries to top Episode II which is tried to be topped by Episode III.  In chronlogical, I'd have to take down the level of the action and make TPM a proper introduction to the Star Wars Universe.  But in machette order, you don't have to make TPM the "first movie" and not have to take the action down as much.  Having a hybrid edit, would have to find a middle ground.  Though I care about this, others might not.  So a hybrid between the two could be a very possible.

It's an interesting thought.

Machete most certainly. It's the most logical way to watch the movies and no ones edited it for that yet. Also, no offense, but the "keeping the secret" thing is one of the stupidest ideas ever for thousands of ways that I've gotten into too many times elsewhere.

So definitely go with machete. And why not have the mirroring as well? I've always loved the mirrors that Lucas put in, and I'd love to see a restructuring based on that concept.

Seriously, this sounds like just about the coolest PT edits.

DominicCobb said:

Machete most certainly. It's the most logical way to watch the movies and no ones edited it for that yet. Also, no offense, but the "keeping the secret" thing is one of the stupidest ideas ever for thousands of ways that I've gotten into too many times elsewhere.

 

So definitely go with machete. And why not have the mirroring as well? I've always loved the mirrors that Lucas put in, and I'd love to see a restructuring based on that concept.

 

Seriously, this sounds like just about the coolest PT edits.

And that's one of the striving reasons for me to go to Machette.  Probably everyone who is going to see these edits knows Anakin is Luke's father and Vader, what's the point?

But here's where the problem is: Anakin's fall to the dark side.  The movie had Padme dieing childbirth plot which is stupid.  And then Palpatine manipulating Anakin, makes Anakin like some complete idiot who's just his pawn.  He even doesn't freaking kill him when Palpatine reveals he is a sith!  I'm honest to say, I still have no clue how to get Anakin to be seduced by the dark side, not out of paranoia and manipulation.  I want the audience to understand Anakin, but not be with him.  I want the audience to feel sad for Anakin for falling away, not mad at him.  (that's how Obi-wan felt).  If I keep the secret in a certain way, I can just leave his fall to be more of a mystery.  I'm sure there are ways, I'm just lost here.

The mirroring probably could still be kept in machette.  The plot's are still different enough to distinguish.  And this will certainly, let me keep the same great feel of the originals.

Oh, and thanks.  I know these edits sounds so conceptual at the moment, but I can assure you and everyone else that I am hard at work on them.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Yes seen them already. They look lovely. I want more! lol

Don't worry more will be coming.  I've got a project file for the teaser trailer for Episode II lying on my backup drive, waiting to have the clips' colour correction finished and then the whole thing rendered.  I'll finish it as soon as I get my new computer and finish some work for Secior's HD Return Of The Sith edit.

emanswfan said:

But here's where the problem is: Anakin's fall to the dark side.  The movie had Padme dieing childbirth plot which is stupid.  And then Palpatine manipulating Anakin, makes Anakin like some complete idiot who's just his pawn.  He even doesn't freaking kill him when Palpatine reveals he is a sith!  I'm honest to say, I still have no clue how to get Anakin to be seduced by the dark side, not out of paranoia and manipulation.  I want the audience to understand Anakin, but not be with him.  I want the audience to feel sad for Anakin for falling away, not mad at him.  (that's how Obi-wan felt).  If I keep the secret in a certain way, I can just leave his fall to be more of a mystery.  I'm sure there are ways, I'm just lost here.

Check out L8twrtr's Dawn of the Empire. He rearranges scenes and makes the fall much more believable in my opinion.

DominicCobb said:

emanswfan said:

But here's where the problem is: Anakin's fall to the dark side.  The movie had Padme dieing childbirth plot which is stupid.  And then Palpatine manipulating Anakin, makes Anakin like some complete idiot who's just his pawn.  He even doesn't freaking kill him when Palpatine reveals he is a sith!  I'm honest to say, I still have no clue how to get Anakin to be seduced by the dark side, not out of paranoia and manipulation.  I want the audience to understand Anakin, but not be with him.  I want the audience to feel sad for Anakin for falling away, not mad at him.  (that's how Obi-wan felt).  If I keep the secret in a certain way, I can just leave his fall to be more of a mystery.  I'm sure there are ways, I'm just lost here.

Check out L8twrtr's Dawn of the Empire. He rearranges scenes and makes the fall much more believable in my opinion.

I have actually watched his edit, I was one of the first to watch and review it when it came out.  I have the bluray copy with me right now.  His version is much more believable for sure, but at the same time it's still not exactly right.  I could allways double check his version and look at other scenes in the uncut film if anything else can be changed.

I don't know how many people have read this old article, but it really shows me how truly complicated it could be to find the right order to edit in mind of.

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/s...eprequels.html

1- Chronological order doesn't really work at all.

2- Release order can certainly work, it works now. But with this it really makes the two trilogies feel seperate.

3- Machette order is probably the best because the films are a set of films instead of two trilogies. All I have to remove in the prequels are references to Leia and Luke being siblings and any references to ROTJ, which while challanging is very possible. Also, I'm pretty sure after finishing my prequel edits, I'll be working on starting back the ROTJ collaborative project over at OT.com

So I'm probably going with Machette (with Episode I though) for my edits.

I would argue that Luke and Leia being revealed as siblings in ROTS is much better, dramatically speaking, than having the reveal be in ROTJ, for a couple reasons.

1. What is a better reveal, Obi Wan plainly saying "you have a sister," and then Luke correctly guessing Leia; or Luke being born, and then all of a sudden, twins! Luke has a sibling?!? Padme names is Leia! Luke and Leia are siblings! It just seems more exciting to learn it this way.

2. It would be a nice payoff for the machete ordering, connecting ROTS and ROTJ further and making the whole flashback worth while, as you get new information about the characters you started with.

DominicCobb said:

I would argue that Luke and Leia being revealed as siblings in ROTS is much better, dramatically speaking, than having the reveal be in ROTJ, for a couple reasons.

1. What is a better reveal, Obi Wan plainly saying "you have a sister," and then Luke correctly guessing Leia; or Luke being born, and then all of a sudden, twins! Luke has a sibling?!? Padme names is Leia! Luke and Leia are siblings! It just seems more exciting to learn it this way.

2. It would be a nice payoff for the machete ordering, connecting ROTS and ROTJ further and making the whole flashback worth while, as you get new information about the characters you started with.

I never though of it that way, and now that you mention it, that actually would be much better.  So then it certainly makes sense to do machette ordering, plus it would give a nice semi-cliffhangar to ROTS.  Thanks for mentioning that.

No problem, glad you like the idea.

After having planned enough, I've started to do rough cuts of each of the films to put my new concepts into work.  Slowly, these films are becoming very different from both the originals and previous fanedits.

I hope to show the first several minutes of ATOC (but not w/ the new color correction) very soon.  I know, I've promised clips before, and haven't done them, but this time you'll see them.  Have to say, that I'm starting to much prefer the new opening compared to the boringness we get in the original film, Episode II never started the way a good Star Wars film should.

BTW, I should mention all the clips up on my Vimeo and in the first post aren't remotely an indication of these edits.  They, were more so concepts I had and for the most part abandoned for more radical approaches.

Very exciting!  I love radical ideas, as these stories really need to be reshaped.  Can't wait to see what you've done. :)

Here you go, the first 4 minutes of the Episode II.

https://vimeo.com/72493739

Vimeo Description:

This is a very rough cut of the first few minutes of my Episode II edit. It has some technical issues still and is missing a scene yet to be inserted.

It does have the filmic adjustments, but no color correction, grain, or slight technicolor emulation has been added.

Changes:
-supports new plot of the film
-Anakin and Padme have been friends for a while. They know each other well, and have worked together before. This supports a natural progression towards their love.
-Dooku has captured Obi-Wan at the beginning, establishing him as the "bad guy" from the start. This edit will even show Dooku more consistently throughout the film.
-Starting here, the film begins much more exciting and in a very similar way to ROTJ.
- references to plot elements that have been completely changed in the edit have been eliminated.

If ever there was a time to say 'it's so crazy, it just might work'...

Anyway, I realize it's a rough cut, but I thought I'd point these things out anyway:

- Obi Wan says "Qui-Gon would never join you," then "I will never join you." Doesn't really work.

- The music for the beginning of the arena scene needs to change, Across the Stars doesn't make sense at this point.

But you probably already know these things, so I'll just say good luck! Can't wait to find out how this will work!