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And Hayden

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I hate that too. It does look put in there technologically well. Unfortunitly it sucks.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Editing a movie for yourself is alright. Editing a movie and distributing it is stealing.
You are an idiot. Firstly, the Jaba scene might have originally been an intentional part of the film - but it was intended that Jaba was a human. It was shot, but never intended for use. Lucarse just wanted to put in something new. And no it is not stealing, it is a breach of copyright - I think you have to look back into your law books.
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Originally posted by: HotRod
I know the real reason why Hayden appers as his younger self.
Some believe that when you die and go to heaven or what not, you can apper as a ghost when you felt happiest.
Ben died helping his freinds out in the Death Star, knowing he had foung the 'new hope'. Thats the only reason he spent all his life on Tatooine. His mission is complete. He's done his bit. He's redeemed himself for Vader.
Yoda, simular in the way that the 'new hope' has made his way to Dagobah, with Yoda waiting all this time for Luke. Knowing that Luke is the only real way this shit will all end.
Then Anakin. Who died twice in a way. As old Anakin, he died happy. It was finished. They had won. With the help of his son, who up untill recently he thoght dead(Maybe? - 3) had saved him. Killed that soab Palpatine and restored freedom to the Galaxie. But he also died once before. Was mureded by Darth Vader. When Anakin seeced(sp?) to exist.

So why I say this change does actually make more sense is this, if you watch then in order 1- 6, is:
As gohst's we get to choose how we look. For Ani to look like his younger self is as simple as this. Thats how everybody apart from Luke, knew him when he was good. The duel we'll see in 3, thats the last time Anakin Skywalker was seen. From then on he becomes Datrh Vader.
Only when Luke saved him, all he saw was this tired, sad looking old man.
So when Ani becomes a ghost, he chooses to look like the person they all knew and loved when he was still Anakin and not Vader.
Luke must know this too, so thats why he's smiling. He knows that he's done his bit too.........
Oh look, more rubbish. I don't know about you, but yeah I can think about how happy I was when I was 6, 10 or 17 but then I don't want to go back there. I have developed as a person, grown and become more than I ever was before. It is clear that in Ep 2 Anakin is already hate filled. So while he may have techinically been happiest at that time, we would find that he was actually not the best he ever was. That is at the end, when Anakin shows sorrow for his past. And it is impossible that he would ever be at his happiest then, but would he want to go back to the way he was? NO.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Editing a movie for yourself is alright. Editing a movie and distributing it is stealing.
You are an idiot. Firstly, the Jaba scene might have originally been an intentional part of the film - but it was intended that Jaba was a human. It was shot, but never intended for use. Lucarse just wanted to put in something new. And no it is not stealing, it is a breach of copyright - I think you have to look back into your law books.



You're the idiot man. Yes Jabba was a human originally, but Lucas always intended to have a stop motion creature pasted over the top of the actor. But due to time and money it wasn't possible, so they cut the whole scene out.


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Rubbish. If that was the case then the interaction between the two would be absolutly minimal, and putting the creature behind han would be impossible. Not to mention that in 1977 you did not crop your film for presentation, so there would be no long shots with shaddows. Study the stop-motion animation used in Robocop 2 and Terminator 1.
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Originally posted by: DanielB
Rubbish. If that was the case then the interaction between the two would be absolutly minimal, and putting the creature behind han would be impossible. Not to mention that in 1977 you did not crop your film for presentation, so there would be no long shots with shaddows. Study the stop-motion animation used in Robocop 2 and Terminator 1.


The intention from the start was to replace HUMAN JABBA with a CREATURE JABBA (stop motion animation - like Ray Harryhausen style), in 1976 at the time of filming they hadnt fully decided what Jabba would actually look like, character designs were created, but I guess GL wasn't happy with what was created & the scene was eventually edited from the movie. It wasn't until production of Return Of The Jedi had started that the finalised look of Jabba was achieved.

For an indication of the direction the original Jabba MIGHT have been going check out Marvel Comics original movie adaptation of Star Wars, you'll find the Jabba scene incorporated into the story & can have a good laugh at what he might have looked like!

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The intention from the start was to replace HUMAN JABBA with a CREATURE JABBA (stop motion animation - like Ray Harryhausen style), in 1976 at the time of filming they hadnt fully decided what Jabba would actually look like, character designs were created, but I guess GL wasn't happy with what was created & the scene was eventually edited from the movie. It wasn't until production of Return Of The Jedi had started that the finalised look of Jabba was achieved.


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I always thought it was strange that if it was always Georges intention of adding a stop-motion character over the human actor, why then was the actor in full costume and physically interacting with Harrison to the extent that he does, wouldn't it have made more sense from an effects point of view to have Han playing the scene to a guy in a blue suit or filming Han talking to thin air , besides if you look at the only other piece of stop motion character animation in the film the chess board sequence, it's pretty primitive compared to animating a life size figure that interacts on screen with live action elements, I don't think they had the ability at the time to pull it off convincingly.

when you look at the scene itself, it is pretty redundant, there is nothing in the scene that wasn't already explained in the previous Han shooting Greedo scene, I think Lucas cut it from the film because of time constraints, and made up the excuse of wanting to replace the human Jabba (years later) to cover his ass.

If i can remember correctly, the original Jabba from the original comic book adaption, I believe he was a humanoid character that looked a bit like walrusman with whiskers who could've been played quite convincingley by a guy in a rubber mask.
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True, the actor could have been wearing a blue shirt or whatever, but it's easier for the actors to keep in character if they are dressed in character. It's a bit off putting if Harrison was acting next to a guy in jeans and trainers...get my point?!?!

Also, the chess game was probably the reason they did'nt bother with Jabba. It just wouldn't have worked.

My other point. The Jabba in the Marvel comics is actually a character we see in the background in Mos eisley. You have to look closley but he is there walking around. I'll have to watch the film again to tell you where exactly, but belive me, he's there!

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George Lucases quote

"I was originally gonna have him a furry character like Chewbacca. But in the end he oviously became a large slug and different kind of character"
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If GL had any vision, he would make Jabba this insanely different vision of what a space mob big boss would look like. Maybe a child with a man's voice, or a little small alien - as in MIB... That would have been possible to do back in '76. Did he really think he would be able to replace the actor with a stop-motion creature?
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Ray Harryhausen had been doing exactly that since the 50's (possibly earlier).

As for "fake fatman Jabba" being in costume, I think that was at Harrison Fords request, he liked to voice his annoyance & frustrations on set at the script & not having anything to act too so perhaps this scene would have been slated to be shot late on into the shoot & by this point GL would be doing anything for an "easier" life.

Interestingly HF took it upon himself to rewrite/adlib his lines in SW & ESB if he didn't like them!
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Originally posted by: die-jarjar-die

Interestingly HF took it upon himself to rewrite/adlib his lines in SW & ESB if he didn't like them!


That famous "We're fine, thank you... how are you?" line, to me the most funny line of all the star wars movies, was ad-libed by HF, right?
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That entire conversation wasn't rehearsed; I don't know if it was ad-libbed.

The "I know" line in ESB was ad-libbed.

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That famous "We're fine, thank you... how are you?" line, to me the most funny line of all the star wars movies, was ad-libed by HF, right?


i agree..
that is by far the best Han Solo line of all the trilogy
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"Boring conversation anyway"

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Some of the conversation came about from HF's inability to hear the person off stage giving him his cues. It's been commented/documented that HF got annoyed & bored at having to redo the scene a few times & still not be able to hear the cues so ended the shoot with the line "It was a boring conversation anyway" which just about summed up his feelings towards the whole making of Star Wars.....
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Yeah sure Harrison Ford may have had a rough time coping with all that "science fiction nonsense" and re-takes and re-shoots or whatever but imagine the boredom Ewan McGregor for example has had to deal with on the prequels? Hours upon hours of blue/green screen shooting and speaking and reacting to nothingness itself (later to be some godawful CG creatures or surroundings!) And dealing with Lucas´s "vision" through it all, oh man! Harrison, Hammil, Fisher and co had it easy I tell you.

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gotta agree with Rebelscum....
I would hate to do that day in and day out...
he better be getting paid well...
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About the whole thing of actors hating blue screens, and actors hating working on Star Wars, I think that's ridiculous. They're movie actors, they get a WHOLE lot of money! I don't CARE if they are bored, or if they think star wars sucks, or if they can't act against blue screen! That's the job they chose to do, to ACT no matter how insanely ridiculous the situation might be, that's what they're getting their money from, so stop complaining and just do the job properly. Peter O'Toole refuse to act in Tron when he found out he would have to act against bluescreens and greenscreens and whatever, that's a ridiculous primadonna behaviour I hate about those kind of actors. Sir Alec Guiness bad-mouthed Star Wars on every ocasion he mentioned it, just as Marlon Brando did with Superman... ok so WHY did they agree on acting on those movies?
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