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EU books: A funny Lucas contradiction

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I’m sure that some of you are familiar with some of the EU books that give Coruscant as being partly covered by water. Well, in the early 90’s, when people like Michael P. Kube-McDowell were allowed to write novels involving Coruscant, Mc-Dowell argued with Lucas, saying that a planet cannot possibly be completely covered by a city, as water is essential for survival, and that, due to the demands of the huge population of a planet completely covered by buildings, supplies could not be shipped from off-world at the rate that would be needed. Lucas, however, seemingly ingnored this idea in the PT and in the ROTJ SE, saying his vision was that it was completely a city-planet, regardless.

However, in ROTS, he had a scene on Coruscant of it raining…

So, he therefore contradicted his own “vision,” and elevated the ideas of those EU authors (who argued with him of the on the issue of water on Coruscant) into G-canon.

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Maybe it was acid rain.

Seriously, though, just because there's no water on the surface doesn't mean there's no water beneath the surface, and doesn't preclude the occurence of rain. I don't think there is a contradiction. Granted, I don't know what a planet completely covered with a city would be like. Who knows?
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Actually, I've always wondered what native single climate Coruscant would have had since it couldn't have always been a city planet.

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Maybe it was really mega-mega-mega Death Star (sans weapons)! Maybe it started as a small artificial satellite that someone built a house on and it kept growing and growing and being built on, etc, etc.... Maybe the core is hollow and contains HUGE water holding/recycling tanks (I mean I assume they pee and stuff so it has to go somewhere) and then occasionally giant artifical geysers errupt 'rain' over areas of the planetoid to clean it up.
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why do you guys expect logic, these are the prequels for godsake
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Hmn, that's right. It wasn't supposed to be raining on Coruscant. Or maybe it should. On huge airplane hangars, when they get closed for a long period of time during hot days, the humidity on the air can cause rains when it gets colder.

What I couldn't understand is why they would leave a heavily burned dying man with no arms or legs OUT ON THE RAIN, while taking him to the operating table. Now I'm no doctor, but I belive you SHOULD sedate and cover a person under that condition, not leave him screaming in pain under the rain, right?
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Originally posted by: battlewars
why do you guys expect logic, these are the prequels for godsake


Amen Brother battlewars!!!!!

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I agree. When I was in the theater, I was like, "um, shouldn't they cover him up?" I mean, I know it was probably for effect or something, but come on. You'd think the people of this hi-tech civilization (or at least George) would know better.

I have a bad feeling about this...
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Originally posted by: ricarleite

What I couldn't understand is why they would leave a heavily burned dying man with no arms or legs OUT ON THE RAIN, while taking him to the operating table. Now I'm no doctor, but I belive you SHOULD sedate and cover a person under that condition, not leave him screaming in pain under the rain, right?


Strange as it is, the film crew must have known what they were doing when shooting/animating that scene. I would say that Palpatine and co. simply didn't care about Vader's well-being. After all, Palpatine is only interested in Vader (and anyone for that matter) only for his use to him, not for Vader's own well being.
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I think the rain during that scene is for "atmosphere". Notice the lightning in the background. This is another "homage" to another movie called Frankenstein! (Did I spell that right?)

As far as "the entire planet is one big city" thing goes, maybe some of you are taking it to literal. Maybe it means, "the entire planet, except for the oceans, is one big city".
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Originally posted by: End Credits
I agree. When I was in the theater, I was like, "um, shouldn't they cover him up?" I mean, I know it was probably for effect or something, but come on. You'd think the people of this hi-tech civilization (or at least George) would know better.


LOL. They should have had one guy off to the side saying "Er, Sir... Mr. Palpatine? Geez sir that looks pretty nasty- I think it might get infected..." Then have the new Emperor, while looking crossly at the person who spoke up, unscrew the lid of a salt shaker and pour it onto Anakin's body... then walk on.
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
I think the rain during that scene is for "atmosphere". Notice the lightning in the background. This is another "homage" to another movie called Frankenstein! (Did I spell that right?)


A half-ass homage at that, IMHO.

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A half-ass homage at that, IMHO


I agree. I can understand what he was trying to do, but it wasn't executed very well. Did Palpatine really create a 'monster'? Reminds me more of a half-assed terminator.
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
A half-ass homage at that, IMHO


I agree. I can understand what he was trying to do, but it wasn't executed very well. Did Palpatine really create a 'monster'? Reminds me more of a half-assed terminator.


Or worse, RoboCop.

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I didn't want to start a new thread for this, so I'll hijack my own thread to say it:

I was watching a show tonight called "The 20 Best Villains," and, of course, Darth Vader was #1. Well, when they were interviewing people about it, Mark Hamill said "You don't need a backstory for Darth Vader. That backstory is understood from the original films."

I was thinking, "Whoa, he wouldn't dare say that on a Lucas camera™."
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I wonder when they quoted him on that. Maybe it was Pre-1999 or something.

Vader is a much more complicated character coming from the OT. "Wait, he's evil...but can't bring himself to kill his son? He is devoted to the dark side, yet... he would risk himself to save Luke? Yet he is ruthless and killed all those people. How can he be good?"

The PT just makes him out to be a angsty pussy for 3 films. There ain't nothin' complicated 'bout that. "Wait, he's bitching because his girlfriend can't love him and he's mad at Obi-Wan ... for some reason. Something about holding him back. Back from what? His a good guy yet...boy he turned to the dark side really quick there didn't he. He ain't deep. He's just stupid."
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
The PT just makes him out to be a angsty pussy for 3 films. There ain't nothin' complicated 'bout that.


ROFL! So sad.... so true....
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All of the climate on the planet is artificial. The rain is controlled.


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Originally posted by: Marvolo
All of the climate on the planet is artificial. The rain is controlled.


Possibly.
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Heh, and I bet the Emperor called in advance: "Uh, I want some mood rain. I'm bringing my servent back, and it's kind of an emotional moment, so bring the lightning and torrential downpour. Thanks. Buh-bye!"

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I didn't want to start a new thread for this, so I'll hijack my own thread to say it:

I was watching a show tonight called "The 20 Best Villains," and, of course, Darth Vader was #1. Well, when they were interviewing people about it, Mark Hamill said "You don't need a backstory for Darth Vader. That backstory is understood from the original films."

I was thinking, "Whoa, he wouldn't dare say that on a Lucas camera™."
wasnt that a new special? nice slam on the prequels, and i totally agree

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Originally posted by: battlewars
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I didn't want to start a new thread for this, so I'll hijack my own thread to say it:

I was watching a show tonight called "The 20 Best Villains," and, of course, Darth Vader was #1. Well, when they were interviewing people about it, Mark Hamill said "You don't need a backstory for Darth Vader. That backstory is understood from the original films."

I was thinking, "Whoa, he wouldn't dare say that on a Lucas camera™."
wasnt that a new special? nice slam on the prequels, and i totally agree


Yes, I believe it was a new special.
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all i have to say about that then is mark hamill is GOD!
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Originally posted by: battlewars
all i have to say about that then is mark hamill is GOD!


You stole my the word right off my tongue!! I was gonna post that! He is truely a god among men.


Also I was watching OCP beautiful ANH fan edit and during the commentary (I believe it was David Prowse) said that "I liked all the changes that George did to the movie, except the Jabba the Hutt scene. It was totally redundant and it upsets the flow of the movie. We learn everything that we need to know in the Greedo scene. I wouldn't have put that scene in. But George wanted it put in there."

*rock on*
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It is funny cause one thing Lucas doesn't recognize is the EU books when it relates to the movies, as they are not considered canon, like in ROTJ book, Uncle Owen is ObiWans brother, which made more sense.

But then the first book after the Prequels is about? Darth Vader between Episode III & IV! And how do find out more about the Clone Wars? Watch the cartoons in 2004 & 2005! How do we get to know more about the prequels, read Labyrinth of Evil, because it gives more insight on alot of events that lead up to ROTS. But then again, don't, because they are not canon.

I never cared to read the OT books in the 70's/80's, cause they weren't these burning questions after watching each movie back then, it was all there, and if it wasn't there, it still made sense. Now you have to read some of the PT books to get more insight. But then again, they are not canon.