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Originally posted by: Shimraa
i donno YIYF, i jsut read your post, and IMHO, it seems that you've jsut grown up. starwars was always about really cool spaceships flying about, thats why lucas spent like 90% of his effects buget on one shot way back when. and the jedi of the PT are all noble warriers, mayby not so mystical anymore, but still noble. i donno your opinion is vaid cause SW has changed, but i think people have just grown up alot more and so things no longer appeal to them. i.e. the new starwars stuff. here is a good example, i got up the otherday and watched some sat morning cartoons. I used to love them shows like Spiderman, and Digimon,(the first series was awesome), now i turn it on and i got shows that are just weird and stupid. and i started watching some jsut to see whats different, and the truth is that there isnt much change, it the sam shit, it jsut that i am older now and i can no longer suspend beleif(i think thats the saying) in the story of the show. its just too laughable.

I'm sure you are right to an extent, but there are things about the OT that I enjoy more as an adult - Yoda's zenlike advice, The love story between Han and Leia, the mythical overtones of the story (Son redeeming Father, etc). These are things that were lost on me as a kid. But child or adult, the PT is a differnt breed to the OT, and, in my mind, some of the elements that made Star Wars so special, more than your average sci-fi movie, in fact more than your average movie, have been lost and forgotten by Lucas and the powers that be. Yes, Star Wars was always about cool spaceships and action figures, but it was also about a whole lot more.

War does not make one great.

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I know it's been said before but to me the PT's biggest downfall was in the story telling and character development. Take away all of the things that didn't match up and just look at the PT and OT as two seperate entities. The PT felt very rushed. It was trying to accomplish too many goals while the OT brought you to know the characters and explained everything in a smooth fashion. There are many examples I could put here but the midichloriens (whatever), not only a stupid idea, took up time that could have been used to flesh out something of more importance. That time could've been used to show anakin and his mom more to help us feel anakins loss when he's taken away from her and that might have helped us feel his rage more in Ep2 when she dies. Also looking at ROTS, we get introduced to characters, General Grevious, who get no back story whatsoever, and essentially does nothing more than take up time on the screen. There was also so much dialogue just time wasted in the PT. For example, the fan edit Attack of the Phantom, the love scene has all of the dialogue removed and the scene worked perfectly, in my opinion.

Maybe since Lucas had to work harder on the OT it turned out better. People usually produce better things when they are under the gun. With the PT he had it pretty much smooth sailing. The technology was there to give him all he wanted.

As far as being older now. Yea, I see your point and I can see it backed up with my own kids. I have exposed them to as much as the OT as I can but their preference is the PT. My son loves watching little anakin racing in the pods. He loves all the stupid little jokes that happen in the PT. He loves watching the Jedi's dish it out to the baddies. To him it's all about good vs. evil, nothing more, nothing less. The real thing that saddens me in all of this is that thanks to the PT he doesn't see Darth Vader as the bad ass that we all so him as. To him it's just anakin in a suit and he'll be good again so it's o.k.

But back to the topic at hand. An expanded universe film or show could be done correctly as long as it returned to the roots of any good movie. Character development and story telling. I believe Lucas could pull this off and I hope he does with this SW t.v. show. But there is the old saying that lightning doesn't strike in the same spot twice and that may be the case for Star Wars.

On another note completely off the subject. I just wanna say I love this site. I've visited alot of the other SW's sites and none of them reach into these movies like this one does. I've been reading these forums for the past year now and the things I've learnt here about SW and editing has been awesome. O.K. cheesy part over.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: Shimraa
i donno YIYF, i jsut read your post, and IMHO, it seems that you've jsut grown up. starwars was always about really cool spaceships flying about, thats why lucas spent like 90% of his effects buget on one shot way back when. and the jedi of the PT are all noble warriers, mayby not so mystical anymore, but still noble. i donno your opinion is vaid cause SW has changed, but i think people have just grown up alot more and so things no longer appeal to them. i.e. the new starwars stuff. here is a good example, i got up the otherday and watched some sat morning cartoons. I used to love them shows like Spiderman, and Digimon,(the first series was awesome), now i turn it on and i got shows that are just weird and stupid. and i started watching some jsut to see whats different, and the truth is that there isnt much change, it the sam shit, it jsut that i am older now and i can no longer suspend beleif(i think thats the saying) in the story of the show. its just too laughable.

I'm sure you are right to an extent, but there are things about the OT that I enjoy more as an adult - Yoda's zenlike advice, The love story between Han and Leia, the mythical overtones of the story (Son redeeming Father, etc). These are things that were lost on me as a kid. But child or adult, the PT is a differnt breed to the OT, and, in my mind, some of the elements that made Star Wars so special, more than your average sci-fi movie, in fact more than your average movie, have been lost and forgotten by Lucas and the powers that be. Yes, Star Wars was always about cool spaceships and action figures, but it was also about a whole lot more.


ic see what your saying, but the PT had some things like that as well. I personally really enjoyed the politics of the PT, and i know for a fact that would have been lost on the kids. also the teachings of the sith and how they made sense, but they were stll horrible. the underlining themes of power corrupts and so on. I'm not sayin that the PT os as good as the OT, however, many OT lovers/PT haters dont see that connection.
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Yeah Shim, you are right, there were grown up elements of the PT, and I realsie that every point I raise about the OT being better than the PT can always be countered. Maybe I am just not good enough with words to explain it, or maybe it just can't be explained, but there was something fundamental in the OT that just elevated it above the prequels, and in fact above many (perhaps most) other movies, especially movies that most would look at as 'silly sci-fi'.

I don't think anybody could have ever made new Star Wars films that everybody was happy with everything about, but whatver the lovers and haters of each trolgy say, there is something ineffable about the OT that made it great, while the PT is merely entertaining (and in some places not even that).

War does not make one great.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Yeah Shim, you are right, there were grown up elements of the PT, and I realsie that every point I raise about the OT being better than the PT can always be countered. Maybe I am just not good enough with words to explain it, or maybe it just can't be explained, but there was something fundamental in the OT that just elevated it above the prequels, and in fact above many (perhaps most) other movies, especially movies that most would look at as 'silly sci-fi'.

I don't think anybody could have ever made new Star Wars films that everybody was happy with everything about, but whatver the lovers and haters of each trolgy say, there is something ineffable about the OT that made it great, while the PT is merely entertaining (and in some places not even that).