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You could have the best of both worlds, start with the Executor on route to the Death Star (possibly as part of the same caravan bringing the Emperor) and Vader reaching out to Luke, then have the saber construction scene leading to Yoda's death and then have Vader arrive at the Death Star.

In fact do we need to see Vader arriving at all?

He could communicate with Jerjerrod via a hologram like in ESB.

That would lead to a much more dramatic Death Star reveal when the Emperor arrives.

Let the audience imagine they are watching ESB for a while before you get to the Jabba stuff.

I was giving the deleted choking seem some thought.

It has some value, showing Jerjerrod getting one over on Vader but it's poorly framed and having the guards strike that pose diminishes their silent menace.

The corridor is also badly designed.

I've always seen Vader as a Trooper's General.

The other films show him entering the battlefield in person with the troops.

He chokes the officers but never the grunts.

If he were to march up a widened corridor with troopers in tow to the elevator and be barred by the guards crossing pikes it would create the impression of a Mexican stand off with the Moff and the guards on one side and Vader and the stormies on the other.

He could then attempt to strangle the Moff but as soon as he mentions that it is the Emperor's command his own troops would point their guns at Vader (not that they could do much but it shows where their ultimate loyalties lie).

That would serve to show how isolated Vader is and maintain the dignity of the Royal Guards which until the PT turned them into a bit of a joke always seemed a bit mysterious and threatening.

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timdiggerm said:

Right, I actually think that works. I'm wondering if there's not a good way to restore Vader calling out to Luke (ROTJ Deleted scenes)... but instead of listening on Tatooine, he's on Dagobah, in the hut, leading right into Yoda's death.

Check out the link in my sig for my idea on this.  I posted it sometime ago, so it's buried somewhere in this thread.

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probably not the right thread to post this, as I only want to see this as a laugh,  but could someone with the right skills please make a clip of Vader's Funeral Pyre scene and add  Vader's " NOOOOOOOOOO! when the flames engulf his body?

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Is it a bad idea, following what's recently been discussed, to shift Luke meditating in the Tatooine cave to the Dark Side cave on Dagobah? It might go to show how much he's advanced by conquering it.

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The Concierge said:

Is it a bad idea, following what's recently been discussed, to shift Luke meditating in the Tatooine cave to the Dark Side cave on Dagobah? It might go to show how much he's advanced by conquering it.

I'll just repost my idea...

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Here's the opening of Jedi that I'd love to see. It's quite close to what Possesed is working on for his edit, but still different. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I hope you can follow.

Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.

After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star

Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.

cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new light saber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then igniting his saber.

Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.

After that, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi." Cut out Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there.

This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?

eh? yes?

 

 

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If the idea is for him to just be meditating, I think it's fine.  If you want to work his lightsaber construction in somehow though...putting it in the darkside cave is a really bad idea because it contradicts his failure in the cave from empire.

"Your weapons....you will not need them."

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In order to not need his weapon he must have a weapon to not need.

You can't cast aside what you don't have.

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So...

Luke ignites the saber, sees it works.

Vader emerges from the fog once again, ghost like, in slow motion.

Luke rises, raises his saber, and turns it off as Vader swings.

Just as Vader would make contact, slicing through Luke, he instead fades away, no more than a vision, now conquered.

In his hovel, Yoda smiles.

 

Eh?

The new Luke shots would all be from behind, thus making it possible to film them with someone who isn't 1983-Mark-Hamill. The Yoda shot... not sure about that.

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Maybe you could have the shape of Vader begin to form (like a shadow in fog).

Luke turns off his saber and the shape vanishes but then the voice of the real Vader calls to look from across the stars prompting Luke to eventually ask Yoda about his father as Yoda dies.

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I love the mock up of building a lightsaber.  I think it would be a brilliant addition to the start of RotJ.  The idea of the cave is also great, but thus far I don't think anyone has made an edit where they include newly filmed scenes of any sort so as much as I like the idea, I think editing that can be done by a one man team at a computer just seems more realistic (for the moment). 

That said I think the idea suggested above of having Vader making contact with the Death Star from his ship, then having him attempt to contact Luke would work because it could save the Death Star reveal.  But instead of having Vader's contact be followed by the deleted scene of Luke finishing his lightsaber I think it should be Luke in Yoda's hut.  A shot from ESB of a closeup of Luke's face could be used and slowed with Vader's voice heard over the top.  Then Yoda's voice could be heard talking about a jedi's weapon being a lightsaber (the biggest problem I can think of with this is I don't think Yoda says lightsaber in the films but perhaps a sound clip can be found from elsewhere).  Then it could cut to a wide shot from ESB where Yoda is moving around in his hut and Luke is tasting some food.  The reason for this is Yoda is facing the camera and looks like he is picking something up.  He could tell Luke it is his old Lightsaber.  The following shot in ESB is yoda turning slowly back towards Luke so I would suggest a line is constructed of Yoda then talking about the crystal being the heart of the lightsaber, and his crystal can then be shown floating towards Luke, with Yoda watching it.  A shot from another film could then be used with just a closeup of a hand, with the crystal being added as if it is landing in Luke's hand.  Yoda could then talk about building a lightsaber being all he has left to teach Luke. 

I would then suggest cutting to the first shot of the Jabba plot, starting with Boussh (because R2 is meant to be on Dagobah with Luke). 

Then at a suitable point cut back to Luke building his lightsaber, as shown in the mock up video.  I think by darkening Luke's trousers (they would only be in half the shots) it can be made to look more like his RotJ clothing, and by lightening the ESB shots it gives the impression it is misty and early in the day (so as to mirror the darker shots when Yoda dies later on).  Then it would play out roughly as in the video, but have Luke moving the pieces around to place the crystal inside what seems to be a mostly constructed lightsaber.  Then he would hold it but not ignite it.  a shot of Yoda could be edited to make him smile, and there are shots of Luke from ESB where his hand is just out of shot so the completed hilt could be added just creeping into view, and then the same with a standing shot.  I made some quick stills to show what I mean.

Then it could cut back to either the Death Star reveal, Jabba, both, whatever.  Then Luke igniting his lightsaber from the deleted scenes could be used, followed by his entering Yoda's hut tofind Yoda dying. 

After that scene I would try an idea which I think originated in Spence's edit where there was a cut from Leia being in trouble in Jabba's palace to Luke turning whilst standing by his X-Wing on Dagobah, then cutting back to Leia - as if to suggest they are communicating through the force in the same way as the end of ESB.  However, instead of the quick cuts I think Yoda's voice should be heard in the same way as Ben's voice was in ANH shortly after he died, with Yoda telling Luke to hurry as his friends need his help. 

Sorry if that was a bit long winded but I think even though the symmetry isn't quite as nice as some of the suggestions such as having Vader appear in the cave, and Luke refuse to engage him, I just think these ideas are more possible because it is mostly just cutting and masking rather than filming new footage. 

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    Is 3PO masked out of the Boush business? Is he changed to another color and voice? Do the droids enter after Boush? Change some 3PO and holo-Luke dialog?

     I'm lovin' these Luke on Dag ideas, BTW :)

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thejediknighthusezni said:

    Is 3PO masked out of the Boush business? Is he changed to another color and voice? Do the droids enter after Boush? Change some 3PO and holo-Luke dialog?

I think if you cut the part where the droids enter together and give the message then R2 is seperate anyway so C3PO can remain as he is and R2 can be shown to be with Luke.  Maybe the crawl could explain C3PO went there with Leia or something. 

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There's never been any problem with Lando being in the palace without an entrance-explanation-scene. Now, true, he wasn't nearly as talkative as Threepio, but I don't see why Threepio can't be pretending to be any old droid working as Jabba's translator. Similarly, when Artoo turns up on the barge, he's undercover. Luke's holomessage to Jabba isn't even necessary.

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Really unlikely - but what the hell - does anyone know anyone who worked on the TIDIRIUM fan film project? Or have access to footage beyond the two really old trailers?

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- other idea i had, but its probably a bit mental.

have vader arrive at the death star by shuttle, he was in a rush

but what if the emperor arrived by star destroyer, ie, have the star destroyer LAND in DRY DOCK in a massive hangar? bearing in mind this is the first time we have seen him in the flesh for two movies (and about 25 years) so some eccentricity would be pretty essential.

there could be legions of stormtroopers waiting and marching down the docking ramp with him. some fat CGI would be required i imagine though.

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ben_danger said:

but what if the emperor arrived by star destroyer, ie, have the star destroyer LAND in DRY DOCK in a massive hangar? bearing in mind this is the first time we have seen him in the flesh for two movies (and about 25 years) so some eccentricity would be pretty essential.

Say again? have actualy a star destroyer lands on a hangar??? Wow that would be massive!!! That would be a really empirical arrival for sure..

I have to get the funds for this shot :P


-Angel

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do you think the emperor could have a star destroyer / yacht? not that horrible thing from the comics, but maybe something that isn't grey, and looks a bit sleeker. maybe actually smaller than a regular star destroyer.

it could even dock directly with his tower.

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Lets stick to the ordinary star destroyer at first. its like have a new ship that will not get the screen time it needs for serving that purpose.

We can achieve many things. First take the already established locations we saw in ANH and enlarge them to death.

Were it was a millenium falcon on a big hangar no we have a star destroyer in a bigger hangar.

Also showing how massive the second deathstar is and what capacity is capable to handle with no problem... even incomplete!

Finaly we can add Unicron eating the deathstar and have the space battle be over the cybertron ;)


-Angel

PS: that would be nice :P

Look how big the executor is :P(right click view image for full scale)

Maybe make that ship the villain instead of the ordinary death star ;)

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OMG. that is crazy! is that even canon? very silly, but i like the design of it.

i would argue for the emperor to have some sort of special star destroyer, just to add variety, he has the royal guard, why not a royal destroyer? makes sense though as you pointed out to begin the concepts with what we already have. when vader flies in at the start, he could fly through the drydock when the star destroyers are there, to ready establish the scale, in order to reach the smaller dock which we see him in

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ben_danger said:

OMG. that is crazy! is that even canon? very silly, but i like the design of it.

i would argue for the emperor to have some sort of special star destroyer, just to add variety, he has the royal guard, why not a royal destroyer? makes sense though as you pointed out to begin the concepts with what we already have. when vader flies in at the start, he could fly through the drydock when the star destroyers are there, to ready establish the scale, in order to reach the smaller dock which we see him in

No need really. The difference between Darth Vader and the Emperor is that Darth Vader is a Thug, he is imponent and with a phisical powerful look. The great design of the emperor is that he looks weak and old, he is imponent because of his mind and his power as a political figure.
The Emperor doesnt need a Star Destroyer, he can go around with a shuttle and everytime he goes to a place EVERYONE gets mobilized. Im looking more for the dramatic symbolic effect more than what would actually make sense in an empire.

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That's why I suggested that his throne room be changed to exactly that.

A room which moves from place to place.

Having it rise from the a building on Coruscant and perch onto the tower of the Death Star creates the impression that trappings of power mean nothing to him (all he really needs is a chair and a window), power is all he wants and he is convinced he has it all already.

This is why he shouldn't have had a Jedi weapon in ROTS, his ego tells him it can defend itself without the need of a machine.

He is the mirror image of Yoda.

Outwardly frail, he commands the power of the Force (only the dark side of it).