logo Sign In

ESB (OOT version) - My thoughts

Author
Date
Author
Time
Post link
Today, I received ocpmovie's ESB classic edition. And it wass the first time I have seen the original version, as manuy of you know. These are a few of my quick thoughts:

*I like the suspense of the original Wampa scene. It builds up the tension. Yet, I still feel the Wampa could have been seen just a little more than it was.

*The matte paintings in cloud city give it a completely different feel. There seems to be a certain charm about the matte paintings portraying the city.

*When I listened to the performance of the Clive Reville Emperor, I was like "Damn!" His performance actually sounds closer to Ian than Ian's did in the 2004 version. Strange. I mean, he had that same demonic smile Ian always gave in all of his other portrayal of Palps, and seemed to talk faster, like Ian usually does. Hmm.
Author
Time
Post link
Thou hast finally seen the light!!

Actually, when I was little, I remember wanting to see the Wampa more too. Then when the SE edition came along, I thought they showed too much. Now I've just learned to live with it.

http://i.imgur.com/7N84TM8.jpg

Author
Time
Post link


Yay! The boy has taste! I knew he had it in him!

In all seriousness, I'm glad you liked it. We all knew you would. Congratulations.

"You have taken your first step into a larger world."

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape


Yay! The boy has taste! I knew he had it in him!

In all seriousness, I'm glad you liked it. We all knew you would. Congratulations.

"You have taken your first step into a larger world."


As said

Are you as excited and as patienly waiting as some of us are for Ocpmovie's Return of the Jedi Classic Edition
Author
Time
Post link
I've never cared much about the wampa one way or another. But I have to say that I do like the original Emperor, even if I view the later Emperor as the "real" one. Just the same way I like Brian Cox's "Hannibal Lecktor," Julianne Moore's Clarice Starling -- who is actually closer to the Starling I saw when I read the books, but I digress -- et cetera. It's a good performance and a good visual effect. It's also a neat might-have-been, when you compare it to the gleefully cackling over-the-top nutjob that Palpatine evolved into.

Edit: Oh, yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it, Adamwankenobi. Now you've seen what everyone's been raving about for 25 years.
"It's the stoned movie you don't have to be stoned for." -- Tom Shales on Star Wars
Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
Author
Time
Post link
yeah, original emperor is just way more sinister. and mostly what i didnt like about the 2004 redo was the different hologram backing, just looked out of place. but im glad you saw it dude.
thank the maker
Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape


Yay! The boy has taste! I knew he had it in him!

In all seriousness, I'm glad you liked it. We all knew you would. Congratulations.

"You have taken your first step into a larger world."



Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape


Yay! The boy has taste! I knew he had it in him!

In all seriousness, I'm glad you liked it. We all knew you would. Congratulations.

"You have taken your first step into a larger world."


As said

Are you as excited and as patienly waiting as some of us are for Ocpmovie's Return of the Jedi Classic Edition


Yes. I'm most looking forward to the Lapti Nek video. I have listened to the song itself, but have never seen that scene.
Author
Time
Post link
Because Lucas made the least amount of changes to ESB, I would think that ANH and ROTJ will be a more interesting comparison for you. (assuming you haven't seen original ANH yet).



Author
Time
Post link
But I have a question. Since you were introduced to the Star Wars trilogy through the '97 Special Editions, weren't you already familiar with Clive Revil's Emperor?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

Author
Time
Post link
wow i'm glad adam liked the original original version of empire. now do you see how cartoony lucas made everything seem?
Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
But I have a question. Since you were introduced to the Star Wars trilogy through the '97 Special Editions, weren't you already familiar with Clive Revil's Emperor?


Touché.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
Author
Time
Post link
Adam's probably seen every version...he's just been fucking with us the whole time.
Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: battlewars
wow i'm glad adam liked the original original version of empire. now do you see how cartoony lucas made everything seem?

No. I still prefer the Special Edition of ESB and the changes he made. I just said that I can appreciate and understand the original version now. For instance, although I really do like the matte paintings in the original version of ESB and the feeling they give everything, the CGI seems to really open up the city more as Lucas has said. I mean, now I can watch either version ajnd like it for what it is.

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
But I have a question. Since you were introduced to the Star Wars trilogy through the '97 Special Editions, weren't you already familiar with Clive Revil's Emperor?


Yes, but I haven't watched the 1997 special editions for a long time. I never reallized how great of a performance he actually gave (in contrast to Ian's in ESB).
Author
Time
Post link
I always like the Emperor from ESB because you saw so little of him. He was hidden in the shadows. He was this mysterous being who held the ultimate power in the galaxy but you only saw him in Hologram form.

It wasn't until many years after I had seen ROTJ that I found out that the man who played the Emperor wasn't even the same man who was in the Hologram in ESB. I thought they looked the same to me. And he was creepy looking, I tell you what.

I haven't seen the "updated" version, but from what I have read it doesn't look good. The Emperor gives away too much information too soon. Plus he says a corny line like "Search your feelings, you know it to be true." Lame. That is what Vader says to Luke on Bespin. Now it just sounds like Vader is a copy-cat in dialogue (even though technially he said it first.)
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
Author
Time
Post link
Is there a torrent for the Classic Editions yet? I haven't been following the Preservation and Fan Edits board much...
Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
No. I still prefer the Special Edition of ESB and the changes he made. I just said that I can appreciate and understand the original version now. For instance, although I really do like the matte paintings in the original version of ESB and the feeling they give everything, the CGI seems to really open up the city more as Lucas has said. I mean, now I can watch either version ajnd like it for what it is.

Yes, TESB is the least offensive of the special editions (until 2004 when they added Ian McD and it became sickening) and the cloud city windows are one of the few changes I am actually quite fond of, for the reason Adam mentions. I'm glad you enjoyed it Adam - Lapti Nek is much more subtle and in the background than Jedi Rocks, which may as well have had an MTV logo in the corner and a message at the end saying 'we now return to our feature presentation'. I think you'll like it - let us know.

War does not make one great.

Author
Time
Post link
As far as ANH goes, as I said before, I had already seen the original version of it. With ANH, I feel that the SE improved over most (but not all) elements that it attempted to improve. But you have to remember this is coming from someone who had seen the SE of it first. My opinion will unavoidably be biased on several things, just as those who had seen the OOT first are biased when seeing the SEs. Here' my thoughts on it:

*I do not like the original voice of Beru. It sounds less motherly and kind than the new voice.

*The original version portrays Mos Eisley as a very small, dirty town. The scene is also very quick in contrast to the SE, and doesn't let you see the city. Once again, the SE seems to improve this by opening up the city, as the SE of ESB did to Clud City. You see more of the residents going about their day to day lives. It seems more like a "living" space port than the original version, which seemed sort of deserted. Plus, I like the fact that he added the Outrider and a STE speeder into the scene to bring in elements from the EU.

*I HATE the fact that Greedo shoots first. Like many have said, it just messes with Solo's character. I think the 2004 edit of this scene improved it somewhat, as it would seem somewhat reasonable to believe that Solo would shoot at the same time Greedo was. Again, I don't care for it, but at least it was an improvement, and Lucas made a compromise with his fans.

*I do not like the Jabba that was inserted for the 97 SEs. That Jabba looked horrible. I do, however, like the scene itself, and I like the 2004 Jabba.

*I am neutral on the fact that he added more stormtroopers to the scene where Han shoots at them in the Death Star.

*The original Death Star space battle seems somewhat slower with the models. The CG gives the shot s amuch faster and more dynamic feel. It gives it more of the feel of a space battle. It was great that he replaced the takeoff sequence as well. In the original version, the ships were merely these white dots that zoomed off in the distance. With the special eidtions, you get to see and hear them taking off, which seems to highten the excitement for me.
Author
Time
Post link
That is what bugs me so much about the SE. There actually ARE some elements I would want to keep. Things like watching the X-Wings take off from the Yavin moon. Now that was an awesome shot and much better than the little "pshew-pshew-pshew" effect of little white triangles flying off about 16 miles away.

But I guess I'll have to live with it. I would rather have Han shoot first and have little white triangles, than see greedo shoot first and totally bitchin' X-wing fighter shots.

But it still pains me.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
That is what bugs me so much about the SE. There actually ARE some elements I would want to keep. Things like watching the X-Wings take off from the Yavin moon. Now that was an awesome shot and much better than the little "pshew-pshew-pshew" effect of little white triangles flying off about 16 miles away.

But I guess I'll have to live with it. I would rather have Han shoot first and have little white triangles, than see greedo shoot first and totally bitchin' X-wing fighter shots.

But it still pains me.


Personally, I prefer the little specks. It didn't make much sense that they had a lookout right next to the temple(assuming they launch stright from the temple like the games suggest, there's mention of a "launch tube"). It just knid of defeat the point of having one. That, and the fact that he isn't reacting at all to the noise, which should be deafening. The slow launch doesn't work with the music either. But hey, Yavin was among my biggest complaints. I didn't mind the new temple matt painting though.

As for Mos Eisley, I thought the city was far too bustling. It went from deserted little berg to New York. Seeing as it's a small space port on a backwater planet, the old feels more suitable.


Made for IE Forum's Episode III theme month - May 2005.

Author
Time
Post link
I am probably more fussy about watching Star Wars, than any other film because for me its my favourite of all time.

My favourite is O.O.T version and my preffered watch., but dont mind and do watch the fan-editted versions from here, because what i considered the main "offences " that silly slapstick stuff in Mos Eisley and Greedo shooting first have been cut...............
Author
Time
Post link
Adam, it sounds to me like you would appreciate Darth Editous's cut of A new Hope. It is the special edition, but Han shoots first, no jabba, gay fighting robots in mos eisley painted out, etc. SE Battle of Yavin and all the good stuff remains.

War does not make one great.

Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Adam, it sounds to me like you would appreciate Darth Editous's cut of A new Hope. It is the special edition, but Han shoots first, no jabba, gay fighting robots in mos eisley painted out, etc. SE Battle of Yavin and all the good stuff remains.


Sounds cool. I'll have to check it out.
Author
Time
Post link
Up until the DVD's came out, I never realized the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back was played by someone different than the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. I think the blend is almost seemless.
Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: GlopOfGrease
Up until the DVD's came out, I never realized the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back was played by someone different than the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. I think the blend is almost seemless.


Yeah see back in the OLD days we had a magical device that allowed us not only to fill in the gaps between films without the use of enhanced special computer effects but also allowed us to forgive any small technical errors that may have crept in. The same thing let us create our own visions of the universe that the SW films are set in.

We called it.... imagination.