I don't think that many of us are going to up and leave Star Wars behind. Many of us can't help but be a fan no mater the circumstances. Me being a Star Wars fan is as enherent as me being female. I was born it, and I can't change it. My father was a huge Star Wars fan (he still is but now he is "too mature" to bubble about it anymore, apparently after your 5th masters degree you have to tone down your nerdum a bit), and I pretty much enherited all of his genetic material, from looks to likes.
So I can't stop being a Star Wars fan. No mater how much of an ass Lucas is.
I'll always be a Star Wars fan. Nothing that Lucas does will change that. But when I say that I'm a Star Wars fan, I mean that I am a fan of the original trilogy. As far as I'm concerned, those are the only Star Wars films that were ever made. I don't know what the prequels are, but I know what they aren't. They aren't Star Wars. They have none of the heart, soul, wit, or creative genius about them that the OT did. Basically, EVERYTHING and anything that made the originals great is completely absent in the prequels. We can thank all of the creative minds behind the OT besides Lucas for that....directors, writers, producers, special effects, make-up, design etc. Of those people and those films, I will always be a grateful and lifelong fan.
Star Wars has always been, and will always be, a trilogy.
I agree with JediFlyer06. But mine circumstance is a bit different. I will tolerate the SE's and Preqeuls but the OT is what I truly like. I also look at Star Wars in different ways. Here I'll explain
STAR WARS (no ANH) is a story about a farm boy that helps blow up a weapon of the Empire. The End.
OT is jsut a wonderful trilogy about taking done and destorying an Evil empire. Ahh I can't put the rest into words
SW Saga. Now I really don't like what the Prequels have become but ROTS was jsut ok. I'll deal with the SE's for that and if there are more changes O well I'll still watch them. But once the Starkiller Ranch Edit is done that will be the only way I look at a Saga version of SW.
It grows more and more difficult all the time, but I see little signs as time goes on how the public perceives the prequels. Lucas will get his due, but I will always be a fan of the OOT. No doubt about that. May grow silent for awhile or the interest will wain, but I'll look fondly back at the days of when Star Wars was cool...
The proof that the fan community "owns" Star Wars as much as the actual rights holder is in the sheer love the fans still have for the SW universe when all they hold nowadays for Lucas is enmity.
I have the impression that a lot of OOT Star Wars fans are so passionate and state their opinions plainly because of the very fact that they do care so much for Star Wars. We criticize because we care. If we didn't, we wouldn't be bothering. I'll always be a fan, and I in no way plan to shut up about the bad way the movies have been treated for the last several years. To me, these are the greatest movies ever made, and as popular as they have been since their inception it is ludicrous the way they are being swept under the rug and fucked with.
For many of us, Star Wars was our childhood. It's not so much that we fell in love with a simple movie, but that the movie stole our hearts.
The bedroom that we called our sanctuary, was our haven. In it we had an ESB poster, Han Solo and Princess Leia 12" dolls, Star Wars bedsheets, and an assortment of X-Wings and Emperial shuttle crafts proudly displayed on our bookshelf. Then Lucas, the almighty redecorator, came in tore down our posters, burned our sheets, and smashed our dolls - all while hasitly replacing them with Jar-Jar action figures, CGI Jabba the Hutt wallpaper, and floating Anakin-head mobiles.
He didn't even let us keep our old toys. He trashed them in place of these "better, cooler" toys he shoved in our room.
Star Wars is my childhood, and I'll be damned if I'm going to just sit here and let Lucas take a crap all over my past.
Star Wars was sure my childhood. Actually, I grew up originally with a SE VHS box set of the trilogy. We had the SE, but I wanted to rent the originals to see what they were. And even as a ten-year-old, I liked the originals better. Especially ROTJ. I managed to talk one of my friends into trading his original ROTJ tape for my SE one. The other two SEs were fine, but even then I hated the ROTJ SE.
Sarlacc beak: WTF? New song and dance: Fast forward, quick! Planet Montage: Cheese, clearly added in later, distracting New Ending Music: Lion King? I want the Yub Nub song!
As a kid even, the version of ROTJ I prefered was no contest.
Originally posted by: ThatArtGuy Could be worse, you could be a OUT Star Wars fan, and a Classic Van Halen fan like me. I get screwed both ways. At least David Lee Roth is still cool.
Oh God! ANOTHER Van Halen/ Star Wars fan?! I thought I was the only one.
Originally posted by: ThatArtGuy Could be worse, you could be a OUT Star Wars fan, and a Classic Van Halen fan like me. I get screwed both ways. At least David Lee Roth is still cool.
Oh God! ANOTHER Van Halen/ Star Wars fan?! I thought I was the only one.
Good to know I'm not the only one. Who knows? Maybe Ed can get his head out of the wine barrel long enough to actually take a breath, Al will figure out that he still needs to pay alimony to three women, and Mike can take his nose out of the used Cabo Wabo salesman to give us a REAL reunion.
...yeah, about as much chance as getting a cleaned up OUT on Blu-Ray. I don't see it happening this year, but maaaaybe in a year or so. Either way, Dave is touring this summer. (Atta boy, Dave!)
VH is Mike, Al, Dave, and Ed. Accept no substitutes.
In a twist of irony, no mater how much of an angel Lucas may become, I will always hate the PT.
Dudes, seriously. I popped in my Episode III DVD today (temporary brain anuarism) and pretty much chapter searched until I said, "Oh yeah. This scene...lets see...yup. That sucked. Dear god! The dialogue! So...horrible...brain hurting... Hayden...can't...act... *dies*
To be fair, as much as all of the prequels have sucked, I really can't point the finger at the actors. All of them have proven themselves in a number of other films, Hayden included. I think this is all the fault of Lucas, and for three primary reasons.
Firstly, he's not a good director, not very communicative...at least not in a way that actor's seem to respond to. Just listen to the way he directs the effects guys in the behind the scenes docs, and when they show it, the actors. He doesn't seem to give them much to go with. He directs pretty much the same way that he delivers a commentary on the dvd. He had a stellar cast for these films, yet his directorial skills were such that he could not coax convincing performances out of them because he's not good at conveying what a scene should encapsulate from an emotional perspective. Plus, look at the diaolugue he was giving them to work with. Ewan was probably the most ethusiastic of everyone involved to be a part of this. By the time it was all over he was probably ready to fire his agent for getting him into this. And, well...then there's Liam Neeson. Another guy who was excited to be a part of the films and lived to regret it. The dude flat out refused to do the voice over for the big explanation sequence at the end of ROTS that forced Lucas to mention it only as a cheap tag-on that almost seems like an after thought at the end of the movie.
Secondly, as Lucas has proudly stated, he doesn't shoot the movie, he shoots "around the movie". He shoots the movie almost as if he were cutting pictures out of a magazine to make a collage. He winds up with miles of "clips" that he then tries to assemble into a movie. Since he essentially makes the movie in editorial, scenes often become disembodied from where they should have been in the movie. Things get moved all around not just within a scene, but throughout the entire movie, and you wind up with awkward cuts and beats that don't seem to flow together because they were never really meant to fit together. There's no emotional core or rythm to it. It's like trying to build a song out of a single note. His famous line is, "we'll take care of that later", meaning in post-production. That's his answer for the whole movie. Sometimes doing things differently is called genius. More often than not, though, it's called stupid.
Lastly, I know they're tech films, but way too much green and blue screen shooting. You have to give these poor folks something to work with that allows them to believe that they're a part of this world. You can't just show them a sketch and say, "this is what it'll look like". All day in a green or blue room is one thing, monotonously boring, no matter how good the actors. Once they lose interest in what they're doing, or can't "feel it", that can't be fixed in post. You can't CG performances George. You have to get those the first time around. And if you don't know how to get them, then you hire someone who does.
Originally posted by: Invader Jenny In a twist of irony, no mater how much of an angel Lucas may become, I will always hate the PT.
Dudes, seriously. I popped in my Episode III DVD today (temporary brain anuarism) and pretty much chapter searched until I said, "Oh yeah. This scene...lets see...yup. That sucked. Dear god! The dialogue! So...horrible...brain hurting... Hayden...can't...act... *dies*
Ya know, despite ROTS being the least crappy of the prequels, it's also the only Star Wars movie that I've only seen once. I've owned it since Christmas, and every time I've tried to watch it, I've fallen asleep. I'm not kidding at all.