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 I am 25 and grew up with the special editions. So I am not heartbroken myself.

25 is actually pretty goddamn old to be walking around with that 7th grade attitude. (It doesn't affect me, so it must be meaningless)

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I'm also sick of people repeating this "fact": the 2006 DVD sold poorly so people must not want them.

Where do people get this from? What sales numbers are they looking at?

The amazon.com archives for Star Wars 2006 DVD only go back to April 1st, 2007--after the fall and christmas releases, after the new years releases and starting into the summer releases, basically an eternity after its September 2006 releases when it had been long forgotten. And its sales rank is #600 for DVD. That's remarkably strong considering amazon has literally hundreds of thousands of DVDs, with over a dozen major studio releases every single week and over a dozen smaller releases each week (do the math: approx. 25 weeks after its september releases x 24=600 releases. So, Star Wars was among the highest sellers at the time it was released).

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But it didn't make 100 million in its first day like the 04 sets. People want the OOT, but LFL thinks they don't because it didn't make more money than the 04 DVDs. That's nonsense.

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If the 2006 didn't meet expectations, I'm dying to know what their target sales figures were. You know, for a repack of a defective transfer that was barely 2 years old and a laserdisc bootleg.

And in the context of people talking about this blu-ray box, it's seems particularly weird to go around proclaiming to the world how much you don't care that the originals aren't on it, even though other movies have multiple cuts. What, you like getting less for your money? 

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Baronlando said:

And in the context of people talking about this blu-ray box, it's seems particularly weird to go around proclaiming to the world how much you don't care that the originals aren't on it, even though other movies have multiple cuts. What, you like getting less for your money? 

 Oddly, many of these SE fans actually are HAPPY the OOT version aren't on the BluRay set.  Remember the line from the TFN'ers in 2006 after we found out we were getting laserdisk masters, "Well, you're getting what you deserve!"

It just shows that the SW fanbase is just bizarre these days.  I look forward to releases like T2, Bladerunner, etc because of multiple versions, even though I prefer one over the other.

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CO said:

Baronlando said:

And in the context of people talking about this blu-ray box, it's seems particularly weird to go around proclaiming to the world how much you don't care that the originals aren't on it, even though other movies have multiple cuts. What, you like getting less for your money? 

 Oddly, many of these SE fans actually are HAPPY the OOT version aren't on the BluRay set.  Remember the line from the TFN'ers in 2006 after we found out we were getting laserdisk masters, "Well, you're getting what you deserve!"

It just shows that the SW fanbase is just bizarre these days.  I look forward to releases like T2, Bladerunner, etc because of multiple versions, even though I prefer one over the other.

Well, when you're a member of a cult of personality, it's normal to show hostility to those who question your flawless leader and his "immaculate vision".

They're just being vindictive to us dirty, dirty apostates.

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TheoOdo said:

Well, when you're a member of a cult of personality, it's normal to show hostility to those who question your flawless leader and his "immaculate vision".

They're just being vindictive to us dirty, dirty apostates.

 I guess that's the difference between us and them.  I wouldn't have any problem if Lucas inserted all the deleted scenes in the PT, and put both versions in the boxset.  

 

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Technically, he already did that with TPM. I actually miss the theatrical version of Episode I and wish I could watch it instead of the home video version with its extra-bloated CG scenes.

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Technically, he already did that with TPM. I actually miss the theatrical version of Episode I and wish I could watch it instead of the home video version with its extra-bloated CG scenes.
How much extra is on the TPM DVD? I don't remember much different other than a quick city shot on Coruscant and maybe a bit of extra podrace....certainly nothing that made me miss the theatrical.

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You know what i am 32 and i never saw the first release of star wars in theaters in 77, i still find that version to be infinitely superior to the 2004 edition.

 

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TV's Frink said:

 


zombie84 said:
Technically, he already did that with TPM. I actually miss the theatrical version of Episode I and wish I could watch it instead of the home video version with its extra-bloated CG scenes.
How much extra is on the TPM DVD? I don't remember much different other than a quick city shot on Coruscant and maybe a bit of extra podrace....certainly nothing that made me miss the theatrical.

 

There is enough added to slow down the pace of the film, there was a reason those scenes were left on the cutting room floor, the same way Jabba the Hutt was for Star Wars, but for some reason Lucas say fit to add that in 1997, but not the biggs on tatooine scenes.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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zombie84 said:

I'm also sick of people repeating this "fact": the 2006 DVD sold poorly so people must not want them.

Where do people get this from? What sales numbers are they looking at?

The amazon.com archives for Star Wars 2006 DVD only go back to April 1st, 2007--after the fall and christmas releases, after the new years releases and starting into the summer releases, basically an eternity after its September 2006 releases when it had been long forgotten. And its sales rank is #600 for DVD. That's remarkably strong considering amazon has literally hundreds of thousands of DVDs, with over a dozen major studio releases every single week and over a dozen smaller releases each week (do the math: approx. 25 weeks after its september releases x 24=600 releases. So, Star Wars was among the highest sellers at the time it was released).

I think it comes from Lucas who said the originals sold poorly on Vhs in comparison to E.T.

The 1997 special edition vhs sold better according to him so i guess that means no one wants the old versions.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I don't know about that. The 1995 VHS release moved 9 million units in a single week. It was record breaking. This is because the Star Wars rennaissance steadily grew. If they re-released the OOT in 1997 instead of the SE it would have done almost the same numbers.

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zombie84 said:
Technically, he already did that with TPM. I actually miss the theatrical version of Episode I and wish I could watch it instead of the home video version with its extra-bloated CG scenes.
How much extra is on the TPM DVD? I don't remember much different other than a quick city shot on Coruscant and maybe a bit of extra podrace....certainly nothing that made me miss the theatrical.

 There is about 20 seconds more on Coruscant and about 90 seconds in the pod race. That doesn't sound like much, but pure CG eyecandy for two full minutes can be pretty tedious.

The difference, overall, is not extreme like the SE of the OT, but the fact that I remember a version of TPM that was better is enough to make me long for it.

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I think they turned some human senators in TPM into Twi'leks for the DVD version too.
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zombie84 said:

 There is about 20 seconds more on Coruscant and about 90 seconds in the pod race. That doesn't sound like much, but pure CG eyecandy for two full minutes can be pretty tedious. 

It is, but what always gets me is in the commentary track, George ADMITS that that material was cut because it buggered up the pacing.  So if he knew it didn't work (which it doesn't), WHY DID HE ADD IT BACK IN?!

I do think "plastic surgery addict" is the best analogy to describe him.

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zombie84 said:

The difference, overall, is not extreme like the SE of the OT, but the fact that I remember a version of TPM that was better is enough to make me long for it.

I agree with you. TPM, being my favorite prequel (okay, the only prequel I can stand to watch), it kind of annoys me that the better paced theatrical version isn't available. And I definitely agree that it was better. The taxi scene "buggers" up the pacing, as Gaffer mentioned. The podrace sequence feels a lot different, it was already a really long sequence so extending it was a horrible idea. Not to mention, once again we've introduced some serious pacing issues.

George didn't seem to realize that all those scenes that you cut prior to release because they don't "work", still don't work in the living room. 

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One thing that bugs me about the extended podrace is that the new CG is noticeably subpar. It doesn't integrate that well and it doesn't look as real as the theatrical footage. The coruscant scene, on the other hand, looks great. I don't know what is up with that; I guess each shot depended on who was working on it. There is one part in the extended pod race where these mechanical floaty droids come out to pick up the scrap metal and the CG there looks as good as the theatrical film, but then most of the subsequent shots don't.

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Gaffer Tape said:

zombie84 said:

 There is about 20 seconds more on Coruscant and about 90 seconds in the pod race. That doesn't sound like much, but pure CG eyecandy for two full minutes can be pretty tedious. 

It is, but what always gets me is in the commentary track, George ADMITS that that material was cut because it buggered up the pacing.  So if he knew it didn't work (which it doesn't), WHY DID HE ADD IT BACK IN?!

I do think "plastic surgery addict" is the best analogy to describe him.

Because the pacing of a film when watched in a cinema has to be a bit more ruthless than the pacing of a DVD.  Most films seem to get a few extra bits these days in their DVD releases.  Look at Lord Of The Rings - blimey, The Return Of The King is monstrously long now.  And check out Avatar: two more versions, each longer than the theatrical cut.

 

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Easterhay said:

Gaffer Tape said:

zombie84 said:

 There is about 20 seconds more on Coruscant and about 90 seconds in the pod race. That doesn't sound like much, but pure CG eyecandy for two full minutes can be pretty tedious. 

It is, but what always gets me is in the commentary track, George ADMITS that that material was cut because it buggered up the pacing.  So if he knew it didn't work (which it doesn't), WHY DID HE ADD IT BACK IN?!

I do think "plastic surgery addict" is the best analogy to describe him.

Because the pacing of a film when watched in a cinema has to be a bit more ruthless than the pacing of a DVD.  Most films seem to get a few extra bits these days in their DVD releases.  Look at Lord Of The Rings - blimey, The Return Of The King is monstrously long now.  And check out Avatar: two more versions, each longer than the theatrical cut.

 

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generalfrevious said:


Or he can just be a human being born without a soul.
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Easterhay said:

Because the pacing of a film when watched in a cinema has to be a bit more ruthless than the pacing of a DVD.  Most films seem to get a few extra bits these days in their DVD releases.  Look at Lord Of The Rings - blimey, The Return Of The King is monstrously long now.  And check out Avatar: two more versions, each longer than the theatrical cut.

Wait, you must have that one disease that makes you defend anything, right? In that case, it isn't your fault and we love you anyway.

The Return of the King isn't monstrously long now... well, it was monstrously long to start with, but not more so now unless you choose the option of purchasing the longer extended edition of the film. The EE was made for extreme fans of the films who want to pay extra to get a bloated experience. The theatricals were still there and the more affordable option too. I really don't know much about the Avatar DVD/BD as I really can't stomach that awful film, but I have noticed there is an extended edition and a standard edition. How can you not see the difference between these instances and TPM were just a few poorly rendered extra scenes have been hacked into it for the one and only DVD release that has ever been made?

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CP3S said:

The Return of the King isn't monstrously long now... well, it was monstrously long to start with, but not more so now unless you choose the option of purchasing the longer extended edition of the film. The EE was made for extreme fans of the films who want to pay extra to get a bloated experience. 

To be fair, TTT:EE is a better film in its extended form.

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???

That is really not related...

It is a matter of opinion anyway, to some people obviously the EE of TTT is a better film. But the point is, if I want The Two Towers theatrical version on DVD, I got it. If I wanted to spend extra and get the EE, no problem. If I wanted the theatrical of FOTR and ROTK and the EE of TTT, I could do that too. If I wanted the theatrical version of TPM on DVD, people are going to call me names tell me it is George's move and that they are fine with the hacked version and that I should be too. That was the point I was trying to make. Not begin a discussion on the merits of each edition of LOTR.

There are a lot of extended editions out there, but it is rare not to be able to find a theatrical release while the extended version is usually put on a premium two disc set.