Does it depress you... — Page 2

CO said:

The frustrating is actually Lucas has created this fan rift between which version you love more, where it never had to get like this.

What's worse is the desired situation actually did happen, however briefly. There was that window of time, maybe over a year, where you could walk into Tower records and the 97 lasers and the 95s both sat there on the shelf, no big deal. Somehow, the world didn't end and the precious Star Wars brand was not hurt.

    I've long suspected the issue is control over which version is considered the "Director's Cut". That is, I don't think GL is interested in depriving us of the OOT, but rather he wants to ensure that his chosen version is considered "Primary". I think he wants new and casual viewers to see the SEs before anything else (at the present time.)

    I wonder if, for the BR set, it would be possible to provide the OOT, but add features that would compel users to perform extra steps in the menu in order to access any version the director doesn't then consider "Primary." Something like activating the commentary.

thejediknighthusezni said:

    I wonder if, for the BR set, it would be possible to provide the OOT, but add features that would compel users to perform extra steps in the menu in order to access any version the director doesn't then consider "Primary." Something like activating the commentary.

   

 Lucas could make the 'orginal versions' an easter egg the same way T2 did with the alternate ending version of the film.

For the T2 DVD, there is code you have to input on the menu and then the 3rd version appears which has the 'alternate ending' of an older Sarah Connor.  The only way I found out about that was looking on the web and one of the reviewers revealed the code.

So the bottom line is if I wasn't looking for it, I never would have found it. 

What I hate most is how cold-blooded and sadistic GL is in suppressing the OOT. I know people are going to think this hyperbolic, but what he is doing is the worst from of censorship in history. It is exactly like the 1930s when the Soviets would take out certain people out of photographs because they did not gel with the current Stalinist ideology. Everything hinges on the OOT getting an official release anyone can buy without resorting to the black market. Nothing else matters. The actual OT needs a real, professional release. It should not be our job to preserve these movies; it should LFL, the people who made the fucking movies. 

it makes me sad that my best friend is going to buy the blu rays. Tried to explain that he would be getting three bastardized films and three shit films, didnt care.

generalfrevious said:

It is exactly like the 1930s when the Soviets would take out certain people out of photographs because they did not gel with the current Stalinist ideology.

No it is not.

The Russians took people out of photographs, GL took actors out in the new versions of the OT (Sebastian Shaw and Clive Revill). How is that not the same thing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union

http://www.digitalbits.com/reviews3/starwarschanges02.html

Sure, changing a movie is not as extreme as totalitarian oppression, but it is the same form of censorship.

There's no way I can explain it to someone this delusional and with no sense of perspective.

Well, revisionism to a movie is frustrating. Revisionism of actual people for political or ideological reasons (as in Stalinist Russia) is terrifying and dismaying. Difference. Specially seeing most of the people erased from photographs by the KGB were also executed by the KGB.

the whole thing is depressing, frustrating, infuriating, and pisses me off.    Why is it of movie series, it has to be Star Wars that this happens to?    Why couldn't this instead have happened to the Robo Cop series?   Why is it so many people can realize and understand the logic behind releasing a director's/special/extended edition AND the original edition?

CO said:

The frustrating is actually Lucas has created this fan rift between which version you love more, where it never had to get like this.

you bet he did.    For proof of this, just look at the original series of Star Trek.   A few years ago, they redid the special effects and whatnot.    Is there any big rift between Star Trek fans as to which version is better? No.  Why? because both versions are readily available to watch.    Both versions are on blu-ray.   Unlike Lucas, they didn't do an ego trip and try and erase the originals from existence.   THEY LET THE FANS DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.  Why can't Lucas grasp that simple logic?    Why has Lucas decided to take Star Wars away from my generation and give it to the generation of the late 90's and early 2000's?   Why Lucas have to be so stupid and stubborn?  If Lucas had done things right,  the DVD and blu-ray releases of the Star Wars saga, could have been the biggest DVD and blu-ray releases ever.   Instead they are an afterthought to me.    When I think of what could have and should have been, it just pisses off.   It also saddens me that I my 5 year niece and (if a miracle should happen) my future children won't be able to see Star Wars like I saw it.   Heck, if the OOT was given the respect it deserves, I might even grow to like the SE and PT a little better.   But as it is now,  I can't look at the SE and PT without thinking about how shitty the original Star Wars fans are being treated.     When I was kid, I worshiped at the alter of Lucas.    He was a hero and genius and god, because he created this great Star Wars universe.  But now, I hate the guy.    I hate his guts and have fantasies of kicking his ass(but I would never do it and do not advocate violence).  He is just the enemy to me.    Its very sad that is had to happen to Star Wars it was all preventable by Lucas.   There is not much more to say except that I will refuse to give Lucas any of my money not only for Star Wars, but any of his products.   I am not even sure that would change even if he did finally release the OOT in the way it deserves.    That is how angry I am with Lucas.       

P.S.  even those who disagree dramatically on political issue, are on the same side here.   That should tell you something. 

corellian77 said:

 

 Is he completely oblivious to the demand, or just that entrenched in preserving his ego?

He's probably aware of it at a completely academic level but I doubt he "gets it" or can relate to it in any way. Maybe if you're not rich, these goofy little simple pleasures become abnormally important, in a way that's hard to explain. Although he sure seems to like diet Coke, it would be interesting if he could never have it. No more diet Coke for you beardy, only cherry Fanta from now on! 

greenpenguino said:

AND you aren't allowed to know anyone called Rick anymore

I'm in the clear!

corellian77 said:

I'm starting to wonder just how aware he is of the divided fan base.  Does anyone have any interviews wherein Lucas acknowledges the fans' desire to have the OOT?  Is he completely oblivious to the demand, or just that entrenched in preserving his ego?

 Lucas said about a year ago (not sure where) but I am a paraphrasing:  "You have a section of the fanbase under 25 who love the PT, and you have a section over the age of 25 that don't like the PT....."

And judging by Kate Lucas's tweets, I believe the Lucas family is well aware of the fans rift towards the movies, SE, OOT, etc.  I was shocked to see that she sounded like someone from TFN responding with the talking points, "If you don't like the PT movies, don't watch em..."

Which I always have to laugh because once Lucas put Hayden in ROTJ, WE CAN"T IGNORE THE PT ANYMORE!!!!!!   That just showed me this isn't a debate anymore, which is sad to me.

Gaffer Tape said:

Just restore and release the original trilogy.  And keep doing it consistently throughout the ages.  Then I will shut up.

Now I REALLY want the OOT.

;-)