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Does Tarkin know that the Emperor is a Sithlord?

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Here's something that bothered me but does Governer Tarkin know that the Emperor is a Sithlord?

Was it explained in ep3?
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Originally posted by: Jedikev
Here's something that bothered me but does Governer Tarkin know that the Emperor is a Sithlord?

Was it explained in ep3?


Hmmm...good question. You'd think that because Palpatine was so successful in turning the senate and the courts against the Jedi (as explained in Ep III) that he'd want to hide his true nature from all but a few. Vader's abilities are on display for Tarkin in ANH in the "choking scene" in the Death Star board room there. Also, his senior military staff drop like flies in Empire, so in the long term it's probably feasible that people do know what's going on.
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I think they do know, but they either don't care or are associated with the siths.
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He certainly knows that Vader used to be a Jedi. "You, my friend, are all that's left of that ancient religion". He even knows that Obi-wan was his master.

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It's a plot error, Lucas is writing this stuff as he goes along.
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Originally posted by: Jedikev
It's a plot error, Lucas is writing this stuff as he goes along.


How is it a plot error? Why should he care? Palpatine got control of the senate by manipulating them, he got their support at first by telling them who to blame for everything (the Jedi) after he did this and became Emperor and had all the power who cares what the Senate knows. And even if they did know he was a Sith why is that bad? He's the one that got rid of the 'evil Jedi' so the Sith must be good then. From Episode III you could see that he obviously had the support from most (if not all of the Senate) ok, over time people realize that he was evil and what not, but when the Senate started to pose a threat to him and his power he dissolved it.

His Military leaders obviously werent "Good Guys", it was Tarkins idea to destroy Alderaan. So he works for a Sith Lord, hes in a damn powerful position and obviously has the trust/respect (at least to some degree) of said Sith Lord. He's a power hungry military leader that was put in a position of extreme power, you think he's really loosing sleep at night because the person he works for is pure evil? I seriously doubt it. And whats the rest of the Emerial Army gonna do. I mean most of the regular soldiers probably dont care either way, and if they do they probably are looking out for theirselves, as far as their concerned they joined the side that cant loose, cause they dont want to be in the Empires path.

As far as im concerned there is nothing that needs explaining.

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I'm with Simon-

"General Tarkin... did you KNOW you're working for a SITH LORD??!?!"
"Your point?"
"But a Sith Lord!!! That's like working for the anti-christ or something!!!"
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I figured everyone in the galaxy knows he's a Sith Lord by the time of Episode 4... It's not like he has any need to hide it by that point. And as for Tarkin, I doubt he'd care if he was working for a Sith Lord... they obviously share the same ideas and opinions, so to him, the Sith must be good guys (even though they're bad guys. ).

I agree with Darth Simon, nothing really needs explaining.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
He certainly knows that Vader used to be a Jedi. "You, my friend, are all that's left of that ancient religion"


If Tarkin believes Vader is the last, couldn't his statement also imply that Tarkin doesn't know the Emperor is a Sith Lord?
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He certainly knows that Vader used to be a Jedi. "You, my friend, are all that's left of that ancient religion"


If Tarkin believes Vader is the last, couldn't his statement also imply that Tarkin doesn't know the Emperor is a Sith Lord?


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I guess you could look at it that way, Jay. Either way makes sense... But if you think about it, there's just no reason for the Emperor to hide the fact that he's a Sith Lord, now that he has "unlimited power."
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I imagine Tarkin doesn't care one way or the other. Anything to advance his own aspirations to power is all he cares about. Interestingly, Motti is arrogant enough to insult Vader's belief in the Force. Makes me wonder if Motti doesn't know of the Emperor's dark abilities. If he knew, he'd definitely be less insulting.
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Or it's like when you talk behind your boss' back.

"My my boss is a total twat"

In he comes

"Hello boss. How are you today"

All cowards talk when the big guys not around.

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Actually, given the old tech/new tech oddness of the SW films, one could assume that there is little or no 'mass media' in the SW universe. We might know everything anyone can dig up on our Emperor...uh, I mean President... .... but in the SW world it might not be that easy to know much about your leaders. Therefore much like, say, the Roman Empire of our own history a person living and working in Roman occupied England might know nothing at all about the Roman Emperor.

As for Motti- hell I've worked for huge corporations and you don't 'fear' the CEO unless you work directly under them. You 'fear' your own managers etc. And as long as the Death Star ran properly and met it's 'Death quota' the Emperor would have no reason to go there... hence in ROTJ the shock of "The Emperor..coming HERE?!?!?!"
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Or the Emperor's Force abilities could be something Lucas didn't come up with until he started working on ESB.
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Originally posted by: Jay
Or the Emperor's Force abilities could be something Lucas didn't come up with until he started working on ESB.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jay!!!!

That cannot be!!!!!! GL had the ENTIRE story, word-for-word, planned out since he was born!!!!! He NEVER deviated from his tale!!!

Why.... that would make him almost... gasp... *human* or something if he ever changed his mind!!!!



(yes, I am a firm believer that GL, like many creators, just was making up whatever felt 'right' to him at the moment)
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I re-read the prologue from the Journal of the Whills at the beginning of the Star Wars novelization the other day for the first time in eons. It is interesting how it talks about the emperor's rise to power, and how he shielded and isolated himself once he was there. But it didn't talk about his dark abilities as we've come to know them. While the story doesn't seem contradictory to how the saga has played out, it doesn't exactly come across as fleshed out, now does it? ;-)
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He certainly knows that Vader used to be a Jedi. "You, my friend, are all that's left of that ancient religion"


If Tarkin believes Vader is the last, couldn't his statement also imply that Tarkin doesn't know the Emperor is a Sith Lord?


that all depends on how you interpret the words "ancient religion" maybe Tarkin was just talking about Jedi and not force users in general. Vader was Jedi.
As far as we know, Palp was always a Sith and never a Jedi. So maybe all Tarkin was saying was that Vader was all that was left of the Jedi.
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why does it really matter if he knew or not. heres something from the EU for you. commander pellionon(sp) the grand admiral of the Emperial remenant, new that the empire was controling the fleet in the battle of endor with the force. he was the one that saved the fleet when the emperor died, so if he knew of course tarkin knew. and thing though the sith worship a different doctorin then the jedi. even thou vader is evil he still cares about honour a jedi trait. u think papls ever cared about that.
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The Emperor that was mentioned in A New Hope back in '77 wasn't Palpatine the Emperor that we knew of.
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"The Emperor that was mentioned in A New Hope back in '77 wasn't Palpatine the Emperor that we knew of. "

Outside the movie, that is true. In the movie, however, he is the same. However, Vader was a Sith Lord regardless.

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Who was the original emperor, and why the hell did we not see the Emperor mentioned in the "Characters of Star Wars" featurette on the DVD?


I'm not satisfied with the title can i edit to "Does Tarkin know that Palpatine is a Sithlord?"
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"Who was the original emperor"

Do you mean who was going to play him in ANH?

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

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<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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No LOL, i mean who was the original character of the emperor, was he a creature, a beast, a man etc?

I checked the databank of starwars.com for an answer and here what i found.......


"Early drafts scripts of A New Hope identified the Emperor as "Cos Dashit", who ruled from the Imperial Throneworld of Alderaan.

When writing Empire & Hope, Ralph McQuarie made the "Cos Dashit" artwork and concept art. "Cos Dashit" originally was a sort of beast who lived in Alderaan then later when A New Hope's script was finalised was to be living in the Imperial City aka Coruscant.....
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I think Tarkin knows Palps is a Sith lord. When he says, "You, my friend, are all that's left of that ancient religion" - I consider him to be using the collective you, meaning Vader and Palps both. Also, considering how powerful Vader is, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume (if you worked for the empire) that Palps must be more powerful than Vader? Why would Vader, with all his abilities, play second fiddle to some ordinary man?
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