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I think it's more the ghost of Rose which hangs over the rest of the RTD era like a not so sweet smell (to some noses).

Yep, that'd be it, Bingo -- and careful with those spoilers, MJ! :-P

doubleofive said:

I've only met the Runaway Bride at the closing of the episode, I already don't like her.

I love her! She is by far my favorite companion! I really disliked her in the Christmas special, but when she becomes his regular companion she instantly grew on me. I really liked the dynamic between her and the Doctor, the whole she is in love with him but he doesn't/can't/won't love her back theme stretching over three whole seasons and two companions was getting painful and exhausting. Not to say she isn't annoying sometimes, but far less so than the other RTD Who companions. 

I absolutely love the whole "I just want a mate" exchange between her and the Doctor in the first season 4 episode, made me laugh really hard. That episode was pretty awful otherwise though.

I really like David Tennant, it is hard to go back and watch his episodes though, painfully annoying companions really drag his episodes down. With Amy Pond they hit the nail so hard on the head... instead of feeling like I have to tolerate her to enjoy the show, I wish I could spend some time in a police box with her.

Here's a nice long exhausting read to counter any claims that Doctor Who has 'become' too grim, too arc centered or too confusing.

It also serves as warning to us all about what happens when shortsighted decisions wipe a historical significant piece of family entertainment out of history.

Nasty thing that Dalek time destructor (I hear George's people are talking to Mavic Chen's people).

I'm entering into spoiler territory here so if you aren't up to date don't read on.

Closing Time was a rather nice but unremarkable sequel to The Lodger but it has hidden in the background a mind bending detail.

It's set round the time Rory and Amy get their letters that send them to America to the Doctor's date with destiny.

Yet Amy is famous and her face is advertising a scent with a name and a tagline which ties into adventures that take place after that day.

While taking a break from traveling with the Doctor Amy (presumably Ganger Amy) has a modeling/cosmetics career resulting in the poster on the supermarket wall and children asking for her autograph. 

They get a letter from the Doctor, go to America, have a series of adventures with the Doctor and he drops them back off at their house while their earlier selves are still in America, knowing that their earlier selves will not come home until that point anyway. 

Which begs the question why didn't she do a double take when Idris brings up the name of her associated fragrance? 

The only explanation I can think of is sometime after The God Complex someone with access to the controls of the Amy avatar prior to The Impossible Astronaut has manipulated it's actions in the past to send a message to the Doctor in his future. 

Remember the last time Amy was 'tired of waiting' she created the crop circle call to the Doctor. 

In the photographs on the little girl's dressing table we see Amy and Baby Melody happy, this is not consistent with Amy waking up on Demon's Run with Kovarian about to steal her baby after a pregnancy she was brainwashed not to notice. 

There is a big chunk of this story not yet revealed and a lot of people seem to be fibbing. 

Apart from that, which I totally agree with and have no clear answer to, is the fact that the Doctor that comes out of the restroom is supposed to be some 200+ years older than the one that was just killed (impossible astronaut) which is the one in "our present" and that is going to -apparently- die in Lake Silencio. He's already saying his goodbyes in a way, even to the three unknown children at the end of the last ep.

I'm missing those 200 years somewhere in between.Still trying to figure out that one...must think fourth dimensionally I guess.

The one that comes out of the 'restroom' is supposed to 200 years younger (though both could have lied).

Note that Elvis is painted on the door he walks through (as everybody knows the King faked his death) ;-D

Moffat has been very cheeky with this season.

He has thrown in enough fuel for a thousand good fan theories for some of the big reveals but of those that have been revealed none of them have been big twists.

River can't be .... that's too obvious, River can't kill ... that's too obvious.

So far the twist seems to be there is no twist.

If they couldn't give last weeks story the sort of edge that the tone of this half would seem to have demanded I don't think the Doctor is really going to get killed (though 200 years of blanks to fill in could still give the show longevity if they did the unthinkable...which of course the wouldn't...right?).

You have the possibility of a ganger Doctor...that's too obvious...a red wave time duplicate Doctor (as in The Girl Who Waited) that might be a bit obvious but it would explain the added years...a tesselecta duplicate...too obvious again but as we have seen too obvious might just be the truth.

Maybe their are loads and loads of duplicate Doctors at play here just to confuse us.

Why so confused HotRod?

The sitcom (which is mostly awful but ran seemingly forever) got it's title from this song (note the band name if you like words).

As for the easter egg of oddness...doubleofive look away now.

Pears...yum..yum...

Craig's newspaper...the date places the story before Amy and Rory's trip to America (clear?).

Amy is famous, the little girl asks for her autograph (clear?).

In The Impossible Astronaut just before getting the invitation to Lake Silencio (Bang!) they have just returned from shopping (clear?)

The name of the fragrance that Amy models is Petrichor, described as being "for the girl WHO is tired of waiting" (clear?)

So if this is Rory and Amy (presumably Ganger Amy) before their trip to America where did the poster and the fame and the name of the fragrance and the tagline come from?

Both show no knowledge of what the word Petrichor means until Idris explains it to them in The Doctor's Wife and neither comment on it being the same name as the perfume Amy has become famous for modeling.

Amy is aware of her fame, she doesn't do a double take when the girl asks for her autograph so this must be Amy after The God Complex.

But how can it be if it's the same Amy and Rory that go to America?

Either two sets of them exist in the same space or something very odd is going on.

And that is all hidden in plain sight.

Now do you understand?

doubleofive said:

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-confidential-axed-26869.htm

Also mentioned as being cancelled, the "long-running sitcom Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps". What a name. I love England.

ARGHHH! I love Confidential! it's the second most important thing the BBC is getting rid of that I love. The first one being the Formula One amazing coverage in favor of PPV, Robert Murdoch's Sky if anyone was wondering.

But sure they are moving to the new £900,000,000 complex when there was no real need to do so, and all the expense planned for the olympics.

Bah. Fuck the BBC!

While I do get what you're saying Bingo, at it makes sense to ask those questions, my memory sucks big time lol. I'll try to watch the complete season between Friday and Saturday before watching the finale.

I pretty much avoid all kinds of spoilers so I don't know if Matt, Karen or Rory have contracts for next season or not (DON'T TELL IF YOU (meaning anyone) KNOW, please), but I don't think the Doctor is dying there at all. Just hope for an intelligent, satisfactory explanation and not some lame ass "Deux -ex machina" type explanation like in Lost (and many others) or a freaking angel or whatever like Kara Thrace.

If they do screw it up somehow, at least it isn't the series finale so they have time to correct it, unlike the other two.

SPOILER heavy.

Bingo, I think you are over thinking things way too much, and getting your timeline way mixed up.

Everything makes sense to me. The Amy and Rory we saw at the shop were an Amy and Rory from sometime down the road after the Doctor dropped them off in the last episode, meaning this episode takes place sometime after that in their timeline. If I am understanding what you are saying right, your confusion seems to be that you are under the assumption that this episode takes place in Amy and Rory's timeline prior to the Doctor's telling them to go to America. At the point we see them in this last episode, Amy already learned the word Petrichor in The Doctor's Wife.

I think it is pretty simple, the Doctor barrows the blue envelopes, dons the cowboy hat, hops in the TARDIS, and goes back in time to before this season took place and invites everyone to meet him in the States. I am sure there are some big twists coming, but I think your timeline is confused. 

Bingowings said:

It's set round the time Rory and Amy get their letters that send them to America to the Doctor's date with destiny.

I think all your confusion stems from this assumption. Obviously this isn't the case, all evidence indicates otherwise.

In the photographs on the little girl's dressing table we see Amy and Baby Melody happy, this is not consistent with Amy waking up on Demon's Run with Kovarian about to steal her baby after a pregnancy she was brainwashed not to notice.

I have no idea what you are talking about right now. What episode was this? Towards the beginning of the season?

The date on Craig's newspaper is the main cause of confusion.

It is the same date that The Impossible Astronaut is set.

Whichever way you look at it the poster doesn't make sense.

Either this is Amy and Rory from the beginning of The Impossible Astronaut or it's Rory and Amy from dropped off after The God Complex in which case do the two versions co-exist in the same time frame or has one set been removed once they go to America to meet up with the Doctor and travel to 1969?

In either case wouldn't early Amy be weirded out by posters of herself appearing everywhere when she hadn't been involved in their creation?

For Amy to be famous the posters must be up for sometime.

It's possible that it's a simple continuity error but remember people were calling that in the previous series when we saw the Doctor with the jacket talking to Amy after it had been lost to the Weeping Angels...and now we know it was deliberate.

The photos are in Day Of The Moon, the second episode of this series, when Amy is in the orphanage (with the bizarre painting of a ballerina which looks like an upside down Silent).

So... does your avatar imply you think Delgado's Master is a part of this whole conspiracy? ;-)

LOL. Bingo, I am loving the complex theories. I never would have thought about such things. I wonder if there are two Amy and Rorys at the same time. Certainly it could be something the Doctor is overlooking. Alternatively, I could go for the theory that the past is being rewritten and the Doctor has not yet fully noticed. For example, perhaps Mel/River wasn't always part of Amy and Rory's pasts.

In any case, I'm definitely excited for the finale. On that subject, I am surprised no one has mentioned the Madame Kovarian-esque eyepatches everyone is wearing in the promo photos. Madame Kovarian can supposedly see the Silence Aliens and not forget them, as shown by last episode's end. Does anyone else think that those eyepatches could contain photos of the Silence? It would make sense as to why the protagonists would start to use them, so they can finally get to not forget the Silence... What do you think?

Dude... everyone on the Internet's been saying that. There's no surprises with Moffat -- but there is satisfaction.

Ovan Marekal said:

Dude... everyone on the Internet's been saying that. 

My bad for not keeping up on the internet. Just wanted to point it out as it hadn't been mentioned in this thread.

Maybe it's just because eyepatches are cool.

So are beards. :-D