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But Star Wars has floating cars & cool space ships, if that was in the past they'd be using horses....and carts & stuff

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Jaitea said:

But Star Wars has floating cars & cool space ships, if that was in the past they'd be using horses....and carts & stuff

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An ancient galactic civilization may be far more technologically advanced than us.......

SilverWook said:

If you can find a quote where Mr. Lucas says SW is Science Fiction, you get a cookie. Otherwise, you're beating a dead Taun Taun.

I am perfectly willing to listen to opposite/different opinions. The problem is, you are not explaining your point more clearly. Please tell me your opinion on why SW is not science fiction, and why it's a fantasy story!!!!

SilverWook said:

Because "space fantasy" is the term I've heard most consistently used since 1977. Lucas actually got a lot of guff from people who loved THX 1138, and were expecting another cold hard edged SF film from him.

Define "cold hard edged science fiction films", please.....

Second of all, space opera is a subgenre of science fiction.....

Leonardo said:

Father Skywalker said:

SW is not a fantasy story.......

Fantasy=orcs, dragons, elves, goblins, magic, witchcraft, witches, wizards, sorcerers and warlocks and mages, mystical powers and artifacts and magical swords, hobbits, balrogs, fictional gods and deities......

orcs = wampas

dragons =krayt dragons

elves = ewoks

goblins = jawas

magic, witchcraft = the Force

witches, wizards, sorcerers and warlocks and mages = Force users and Jedi

mystical powers = Force powers

magical swords = light sabers

hobbits = ughnaughts

The ligthsabers are just laser swords, nothing mystical, supernatural, spiritual, or magical about them, just like the Force, it's is just an energy field created by the cells of living beings, a superpower if you will......

Elves, goblins, and orcs all are mystical beings, ewoks, krayt dragons and ughnaughts are not.....

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

SilverWook said:

If you can find a quote where Mr. Lucas says SW is Science Fiction, you get a cookie. Otherwise, you're beating a dead Taun Taun.

I am perfectly willing to listen to opposite/different opinions. The problem is, you are not explaining your point more clearly. Please tell me your opinion on why SW is not science fiction, and why it's a fantasy story!!!!

The definition of Science-Fiction:

Science fiction is a genre of fiction dealing with imaginary but more or less plausible content such as future settings, futuristic science and technology, space travel, parallel universes, aliens, and paranormal abilities. Exploring the consequences of scientific innovations is one purpose of science fiction, making it a "literature of ideas".  Science Fiction has been used by authors and film/television program makers as a device to explore more wide ranging philosophical subjects such as identity, desire, morality and social structure etc.

Science fiction is largely based on writing rationally about alternative possible worlds or futures.   It is similar to, but differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation).

So there. Star Wars does not fall  into that category. Another quote:

Drawing the line between science fiction and fantasy is not made any clearer by the fact that both of them can use invented worlds, non-human intelligent creatures (sometimes, in science fiction as well as fantasy, based on myth: consider C. L. Moore's Shambleau and Yvala), and amazing monsters. It is, to a large extent, authorial fiat that tells us that C. S. Lewis' Narnia books are set in a fantasy world rather than on another planet . An example of this is Star Wars, a borderline case in which a mystical power known as the Force lends a strong fantasy element to the science fiction veneer. The main difference between the two is that science fiction is largely based on established scientific theories, while science fantasy is largely implausible.

So that puts that to rest

 

 

 

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, is NOT a fantasy world, but rather, a galaxy far away from the Milky Way Galaxy......

To quote TV Tropes.com

A space opera is a work set in a far future space faring civilization, where the technology is ubiquitous and entirely secondary to the story. It has an epic character to it: The universe is big, there are lots of sprawling civilizations and empires, there are political conflicts and intrigues galore. Frequently it takes place in the Standard Sci Fi Setting. In perspective, it is a development of the Planetary Romance that looks beyond the exotic locations that were imagined for the local solar system in early science fiction (which the hard light of science revealed to be barren and lifeless) out into an infinite universe of imagined exotic locations.

Space opera has a lot of romantic elements: big love stories, epic space battles, oversized heroes and villains, awe-inspiring places, and insanely gorgeous women.

And to quote Wikipedia too

Classic pulp space opera cover

Space opera is a subgenre of science fiction that emphasizes romantic, often melodramatic adventure, set mainly or entirely in outer space, generally involving conflict between opponents possessing advanced technologies and abilities. The term has no relation to music and it is analogous to "soap opera". Perhaps the most significant trait of space opera is that settings, characters, battles, powers, and themes tend to be very large-scale.

Sometimes the term space opera is used pejoratively to science fiction often combined with mythological themes, but its meaning can differ, often describing a particular science fiction genre without any value judgement.

Davnes007 said:

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

SilverWook said:

If you can find a quote where Mr. Lucas says SW is Science Fiction, you get a cookie. Otherwise, you're beating a dead Taun Taun.

I am perfectly willing to ignore to opposite/different opinions.

The definition of Science-Fiction:

Science fiction is a genre of fiction dealing with imaginary but more or less plausible content such as future settings, futuristic science and technology, space travel, parallel universes, aliens, and paranormal abilities....

So there. Star Wars does not fall  into that category. Another quote:

Drawing the line between science fiction and fantasy is not made any clearer by...Star Wars, a borderline case in which a mystical power known as the Force lends a strong fantasy element to the science fiction veneer....

So that puts that to rest

Lol.........now that's a fantasy.

Space Travel

Aliens (it takes place in a galaxy far far away from earth and the milky way galaxy, so it does NOT take place in a fantasy world)

Ray guns, laser swords (lightsabers), and giant space stations that can destroy planets are all very science fiction-y.......

The Force is not mystical, magical or supernatural in any way.......

Space opera is still a subgenre/form of science fiction, no less science fiction than any technobabble star trek type stuff, to quote http://thetorchonline.com/latest/what-the-hell-is-star-wars-anyway-science-fiction-or-fantasy/

It’s science fiction. Bad science fiction, created by a man who is obviously a near-illiterate in all matters scientific; but clearly science fiction. Mythic, poetic and mystical elements are no more alien to science fiction than they are to any other genre of fiction.

adywan said:

You actually proved my point in the first line of your "Space Opera" quote..

is a work set in a far future space faring civilization

 

Isn't Star Wars, as you said yourself before your quote, set " A LONG TIME AGO....."

Ok, other than that, read the rest of what it says.....

Stop nitpicking, star wars has all of the other space opera science fiction elements......

Fantasy is usually medieval/ancient

Science fiction is usually set during/in futuristic settings

But there are exceptions, such as futuristic fantasy stories, or ancient science fiction stories....... 

What if I write a story about time travel to the past??? Science fiction or fantasy???

Read this: http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-Faq-Is-Star-Wars-Sci-Fi-Or-Fantasy.htm

Star Wars has been called science fantasy for ages.

Also, what does "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" sound like? "Once upon a time, in a land far, far away," of course. This goes along with the fact that the original Star Wars is pretty much the archetypal fantasy film, but with futuristic technology.

It's science fantasy. 

On a note less off topic: speaking of unlikely death cheatings, my brother has been trying to convince since 2005 that Mace Windu didn't die in ROTS. I've been telling him that he's crazy, and that no one else shares that opinion, but recently he told me all of his college buds share the same belief. It's a little baffling, but, I'll raise the question anyway:

Do you think Mace Windu survived being electrocuted and thrown off a 300 story building?

DominicCobb said:

Read this: http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-Faq-Is-Star-Wars-Sci-Fi-Or-Fantasy.htm

Star Wars has been called science fantasy for ages.

Also, what does "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" sound like? "Once upon a time, in a land far, far away," of course. This goes along with the fact that the original Star Wars is pretty much the archetypal fantasy film, but with futuristic technology.

It's science fantasy. 

 

 

On a note less off topic: speaking of unlikely death cheatings, my brother has been trying to convince since 2005 that Mace Windu didn't die in ROTS. I've been telling him that he's crazy, and that no one else shares that opinion, but recently he told me all of his college buds share the same belief. It's a little baffling, but, I'll raise the question anyway:

Do you think Mace Windu survived being electrocuted and thrown off a 300 story building?

Did mace windu die from the electruction or the falling from heights???

Which one???

If I write a hard science fiction story about a qunatum physics scientist guy who travels to the past, it's is still science fiction......

DominicCobb said:

Read this: http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-Faq-Is-Star-Wars-Sci-Fi-Or-Fantasy.htm

Star Wars has been called science fantasy for ages.

Also, what does "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" sound like? "Once upon a time, in a land far, far away," of course. This goes along with the fact that the original Star Wars is pretty much the archetypal fantasy film, but with futuristic technology.

It's science fantasy. 

 

 

On a note less off topic: speaking of unlikely death cheatings, my brother has been trying to convince since 2005 that Mace Windu didn't die in ROTS. I've been telling him that he's crazy, and that no one else shares that opinion, but recently he told me all of his college buds share the same belief. It's a little baffling, but, I'll raise the question anyway:

Do you think Mace Windu survived being electrocuted and thrown off a 300 story building?

Rescuing a helpless damsel in distress princess from a fortress

A wise old bearded man sage

A young hero

A black Knight (darth vader armor suit and samurai helmet)

Sounds like a fantasy/fairy tale, right???

However.....

By the way, that question had an "and" in it on purpose.