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One of the biggest questions out there. In this thread we should discuss why or why not we think they exist and where is the most likely places in the universe to find them.
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The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this as its introduction:

Space, it says, is big. Really big. You just won't believe how mind-bogglingly huge it is. I mean you may think it's a long walk down to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space! Listen!.................and so on and so forth.

Seriously, considering how ridiculously huge the universe is, it seems a bit preposterous that only one tiny little planet within the entirety of it would have life on it. Unless this is just a really, REALLY early stage in the Universe's lifespan, where this planet was just a starting point and our population is eventually meant to settle the entire expanses of the universe..... but that's highly unlikely.

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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this as its introduction:

Space, it says, is big. Really big. You just won't believe how mind-bogglingly huge it is. I mean you may think it's a long walk down to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space! Listen!.................and so on and so forth.

Seriously, considering how ridiculously huge the universe is, it seems a bit preposterous that only one tiny little planet within the entirety of it would have life on it. Unless this is just a really, REALLY early stage in the Universe's lifespan, where this planet was just a starting point and our population is eventually meant to settle the entire expanses of the universe..... but that's highly unlikely.


Yeah, but it's kind of a bunk argument.

"It's so BIG, so there MUST be something else out there."

Our solar system is big in itself, and there's nothing living there aside from us. Doesn't mean there's nothing, of course, but it doesn't prove there's something there either. Just show me the aliens.
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Any finite distance is infinitely divisible. Infinity is big. We might as well limit our search for extraterrestrial life to an area no larger than a Proton's diameter.

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I believe in aliens.

I've met aliens from Mexico, Pakistan, Portugal and Sri Lanka.

All kidding aside, there is life "out there," so to speak, but likely not in the form that we tend to anthropomorphize it. Is it as developed and advanced as our race? Probably not, but it is still life.

For humanity to develop as it has, with apologies to creationists, the odds are astronomical. For the exact combination of enzymes in the exact conditions at the exact time for things to turn out they way they have? It's so rare that it is obscene - further proof to me that there is a higher power at work, whether it be nature or divinity.
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I now have the words "I believe in aliens" playing through my head to the tune of "I believe in miracles"...

CURSE YOU SEAN WOOKIE!

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I guess the argument has already been called out, but I also believe in Aliens primarily because I think it is highly conceited to think we are all that live in breath in this universe. I look at the stars at night (there's even millions we can't see with the naked eye BTW) and I think that each one could contain a lifeform on it doing the same thing I am.

Or they could be plotting our worldly destruction in order to construct a hyperspace route.
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Yeah, but it's kind of a bunk argument.

"It's so BIG, so there MUST be something else out there."

Our solar system is big in itself, and there's nothing living there aside from us. Doesn't mean there's nothing, of course, but it doesn't prove there's something there either. Just show me the aliens.


Well, I don't think the immense size of the galaxy proves there is life elsewhere, but considering the huge range of life found on Earth, I can't imagine why "life" couldn't exist elsewhere in the galaxy.

Otherwise, it seems like a lot of wasted space to me.

And who says the aliens want to be seen?

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

And who says the aliens want to be seen?


Or, to take a cue from Cassidy, perhaps they cannot be seen either way. There could be extraterrestrial signs of life all around us and yet our minds might just be too different to ever realize it.

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Yep - our culture tends to think big. Some micro-organism in some Martian sess pool is life, any way you want to define it.

Just 'cause it isn't stranded on Earth, befriended by 3 children and builds a communcator out of a fucking...Speak and Spell, doesn't mean it's not alien.

I define alien as anything that does not naturally occur on the planet Earth, like extra-terrestrials, Taco Bell, and Jessica Biel's ass.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
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This is enough proof for me that aliens exist.


Oh, look at that...a sailboat.
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Originally posted by: sean wookie
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This is enough proof for me that aliens exist.


Oh, look at that...a sailboat.


I can never see the fucking sail boat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So I heard Jupiters moon Europa might have life in the water underground and Titan might have the stuff to start life. What do you think.
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I believe you shouldnt ask questions which honestly given our current knowledge is impossible to solve one way or the other sean.

as for the moon near Jupiter it doesn't have liquid water, it has liquid methane, its THAT cold. i doubt we'll find anything living there because of how cold it is, it just seems to me that a place that is that cold the atoms aren't moving fast enough for them do do anything. as for that other volcanic planet your talking about the whole planet is molten, so unlikely anything there. bacteria don't tend to grow on lava flows, though there are some that can withstand alot of heat but lava flows i think thats just a little be too much for them.

as for the argument that the universe is too big, well that may be the case but the universe is also VERY harsh. look into the amount of radiation that is given off my super novas and things of that ilk. ill tell you this much if one were to happen in a near by system our solar system would not be a very nice place to live.

i should point out that i am not saying life doesnt exist out there only that really people we cant know.

Oh and a cookie for whoever can tell me the answer this paradox.

If the universe is so big so infinitely huge, estimates suggest numbers to be around 10^22 and if light always travels in a strait line and since space is empty literally mass has a density of around 10 or 15 atoms per square meter. why is the night sky black and doted with pin points of light?
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Originally posted by: shimy
I believe you shouldnt ask questions which honestly given our current knowledge is impossible to solve one way or the other sean.

as for the moon near Jupiter it doesn't have liquid water, it has liquid methane, its THAT cold. i doubt we'll find anything living there because of how cold it is, it just seems to me that a place that is that cold the atoms aren't moving fast enough for them do do anything. as for that other volcanic planet your talking about the whole planet is molten, so unlikely anything there. bacteria don't tend to grow on lava flows, though there are some that can withstand alot of heat but lava flows i think thats just a little be too much for them.

as for the argument that the universe is too big, well that may be the case but the universe is also VERY harsh. look into the amount of radiation that is given off my super novas and things of that ilk. ill tell you this much if one were to happen in a near by system our solar system would not be a very nice place to live.

i should point out that i am not saying life doesnt exist out there only that really people we cant know.

Oh and a cookie for whoever can tell me the answer this paradox.

If the universe is so big so infinitely huge, estimates suggest numbers to be around 10^22 and if light always travels in a strait line and since space is empty literally mass has a density of around 10 or 15 atoms per square meter. why is the night sky black and doted with pin points of light?



It was on the History Channel where I heard about the water on Europa and Titan is not a volcanic moon. From what I heard on the show was that it's atmosphere is similar to an earlier Earth and by life I'm not talking like fish I'm talking about microbes which are so damn stubborn and live pretty much everywhere on the earth. I also heard they are looking for something like tube worms which live under extreme conditions near vents that release sulfur! On Space.com they say from what they say about some thermal models show that it might be possible that liquid water may exist under the surface. They are going to launch a probe there around 2016 I believe which is the target date.

My source on Europa: http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_phillips_europa_030315.html

You can watch that video about Jupiter and its moons here: http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=12584

And do you know a site where I could watch Carl Sagan's Cosmos?

I don't think that we would be the ONE and only planet with life in the universe. I just can't see us being that special. If the Universe is infinite there is infinite chances.

There is a quote I like from Hitchhikers Guide:
It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
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Originally posted by: shimy
If the universe is so big so infinitely huge, estimates suggest numbers to be around 10^22 and if light always travels in a strait line and since space is empty literally mass has a density of around 10 or 15 atoms per square meter. why is the night sky black and doted with pin points of light?

10^22 what?
You want to know why you see so many stars if there's so "little" in space? Because we are in a galaxy were the stars are "close" to eachother. I guess between the galaxies there's a whole lot of nothing.

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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: shimy
If the universe is so big so infinitely huge, estimates suggest numbers to be around 10^22 and if light always travels in a strait line and since space is empty literally mass has a density of around 10 or 15 atoms per square meter. why is the night sky black and doted with pin points of light?

10^22 what?
You want to know why you see so many stars if there's so "little" in space? Because we are in a galaxy were the stars are "close" to eachother. I guess between the galaxies there's a whole lot of nothing.


By the way there isn't actually nothing between Galaxies. There is Globular Clusters which I believe get ejected in Galaxy Collisions. We have a few orbiting our Galaxy. But then again this doesn't have anything to do with what your talking about.

SOURCE:http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/cosmic_orphans_030717.html
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Originally posted by: HotRod
My stepmother is an Alien.


Maybe I'll call Immigration on her then.
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Alien doesn't mean illegal. There are such things as legal aliens, and they are a good thing. It is illegal aliens that are a problem, some people seem to have a hard time distinguishing between the two. Sean is not the first one I have seen do this. That is why you have stupid people say stupid things like people who are against illegal aliens are racists or prejudice.

Besides, HotRod isn't from our side of the pond Sean, so even if his step mother was illegal, USCIS would really care much, if fact judging from my dealings with them they would probably just be pissed off and annoyed at you.

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