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Do you REALLY think there will be remastered versions of the OOT or whatever? I don't.

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I mean, seriously, why would they waste their time? We’ve got the originals on DVD, now the subject has probably been dropped. (Which is fine by me. The only reason I like the original originals is because, well no reason. I don’t prefer them by any means, but I just want to have them, for completness sake, in any official DVD format that’s equal to or better than my old VHS releases. Bam! I’ve got that. Done!)

Look, the originals are now on DVD. Lucas will continue to remaster the movies until he is happy with everything (I hope 2007 will be it), and everything matches better and looks like it was filmed in episode order. Why would he bother with anything else? Why would you want a 1977 movie to look like a 2007 movie if you aren’t willing to pretend it was flimed after 2005? I AM willing to pretend that, because I LOVE the prequels. If you hate the prequels and SEs, then the old movies should look no different than they did when originally released. If you love the SSSSEs and prequels, then they should look pristine and match each other so everything flows better. When I watch the movies from now on, it will always be in the order of 1, 2, Clone Wars, 3, 4, 5, 6. When going from 3 to 4, I can easily believe that 4 was filmed after 3, with the 2004 version.

Think of it this way. You make a movie and release it to theaters. You release it on DVD. Then you realize you want to improve it. The original is already out there. Would you really want people to see your old version anymore? Why would you want to “fix up” your old version as well as your “new version” I know I wouldn’t. It’s different, because we have seen them, but those versions are now out there. We should stop complaining now. You wanted them unaltered. They are unaltered. Why aren’t you happy yet? Animorphic would be altered as well. I, much like Lucas, would want people to think exactly like me. If they want the movies to look great, they will take my versions. If they want the old versions, they can have them, but I sure as hell ain’t gonna want people to have those as the definitive versions! I think the exact same way as this. Old versions, don’t look as good. New versions, look much better. Why is that so hard to understand and be happy with?

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Put all of your SSE and prequel hating aside and really think about it.
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I believe the OOT will come out in high quality when Lucasfilm is turned over to the employees, as this release clearly shows that they have a passion for it.

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George Lucas isn't about OOTs or SEs or prequels. He is about earning money through artificially keeping demand alife through selling inferior products. It doesn't matter which versions you want. At the current time - all classic trilogy dvd content out there, represents a technically flawed and inferior product when compared to other releases of similar importance.

It's amazing to me, that some people have not yet realized that this isn't an OOT vs. SE issue anymore.
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
George Lucas isn't about OOTs or SEs or prequels. He is about earning money through artificially keeping demand alife through selling inferior products. It doesn't matter which versions you want. At the current time - all classic trilogy dvd content out there, represents a technically flawed and inferior product when compared to other releases of similar importance.

It's amazing to me, that some people have not yet realized that this isn't an OOT vs. SE issue anymore.
EXACTLY!

Animorphic would be altered as well.

*sigh* All of the info on here and out there in cyber space and some people are still so misinformed...
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Whatever. I have my OOTs, and I'm all set on that end. I honestly have never cared about animorphic or not on ANY release. I have my widescreen TV even, still don't care. I won't replace a movie that wasn't animorphic, simply because another version is. Only if the content or special features are different/ better or the other release was pan n scan.

I honestly believe that GL doesn't want us to have great quality OOT movies. And I don't want them either. Like I said before, the better quality should be reserved for the movies that fit together with the prequels, exclusivly.
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Whatever kid....go home and play with your SEs......let the adults continue talking about the OOT.....you know....the movies that actually MATTER....
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Originally posted by: marioxb
Whatever. I have my OOTs, and I'm all set on that end. I honestly have never cared about animorphic or not on ANY release. I have my widescreen TV even, still don't care. I won't replace a movie that wasn't animorphic, simply because another version is. Only if the content or special features are different/ better or the other release was pan n scan.

I honestly believe that GL doesn't want us to have great quality OOT movies. And I don't want them either. Like I said before, the better quality should be reserved for the movies that fit together with the prequels, exclusivly.

Yes, it is obvious you don't care because it is spelled anAmorphic.

I am happy that you can be content with a crappy product. Many people cannot be, though.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
The only reason I like the original originals is because, well no reason. I don't prefer them by any means


What you are missing here is that many many people DO prefer the original movies over the SE. Is it right that fans
are not able to enjoy the version of these movies they prefer, at quality that is acceptable by TODAY's standards?

The real kicker though, is that it would be so easy for Lucas to resolve, but he adamantly refuses to do so!

Look, the originals are now on DVD.


Yes they are now on DVD, but not using a transfer that the format demands today, or even demanded years ago!

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Oh goody!!! Another troll on the boards!

Marioxb, I get what you're saying, but it's kind of stupid. You can love George's vision, I repect that opinion, but saying that the OOT should only be out there for completness sake is stupid. That's not why you're a troll though. You're a troll because you said anamorphic would be changing the films and you're basically saying we're stupid for wanting something better. Anamorphic is NOT changing the films in ANY way. It just allows it to be higher quality and fit on a 16x9 display accurately and with good video quality. Wait, you're probably one of those weirdos whose arguement against that is "Anamorphic didn't exist in 1977." That's a very ignorant statement. Anamorphic is just a higher level of video quality. Changing the films would be a 5.1 mix. Anamorphic would not be changing them in any way.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Whatever kid....go home and play with your SEs......let the adults continue talking about the OOT.....you know....the movies that actually MATTER....


Isn't it funny though? I'm a kid and I sure am well informed. You'd never guess from all the other idiot kids that troll these boards.
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"Animorphic" LMAO that's priceless......

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Time and money will tell.

It's amazing to me, that some people have not yet realized that this isn't an OOT vs. SE issue anymore.


What is it about then?

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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I'd say it's about quality....and respect to three films upon which great importance is placed.....not only as an influence to a generation, but as a benchmark in SFX evolution and a milestone in American cinema. There is no difference between these films and Citizen Kane, Casablanca, Lawrence Of Arabia or The Godfather. They are all important pieces of art in the history of American film and they deserve to be preserved so future generations can see how cinematic art progressed in the 20th century.....

Oh....and naturally cuz Lucas just plain HATES that we want them and not the SEs.....
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Lucas will continue to remaster the movies until he is happy with everything (I hope 2007 will be it)


But what if it isn't? What if he continues to tinker with them every year, releasing the latest version of his original vision with his tinkering and obvious flaws that he refuses to even acknowledge as if he thinks you're too stupid to recognize it for what it is? Are you simply going to toss away every "inferior" version, even though a year ago, you thought it was the kickassinest, da bombiest version you've ever seen? Or is there going to become a point where you say, "Actually, I like the April 2012 version a lot better than the September 2012 version. Why should I change? Why won't he release the April 2012 version anymore?"

And does it ever occur to you that having this many versions of a single movie is completely absurd? That's why I'm against changing movies in the first place. Why should there be five different versions of Casablanca when the original one will suffice? Why go back and try to change the past? You've made your movie. You had your shot. Now it exists. Now it's time to move on to your next project. I would think that having multiple versions compete against each other would be bad from a business perspective anyway, because it splits your fans' loyalties, but Lucas has managed to parlay it, through deception and stealth, into a great business opportunity. Like Sifo-Dyas said, it's not about visions or improving or connecting the trilogies. It's about milking the cash cow again by never releasing a complete version of anything. It's always a work in the making.

And why on earth would you want to delude yourself into thinking that a 30 year old movie is brand new by adding a whole bunch of new technology, etc. into it. The Back to the Future box set has great picture quality up to today's standards, but there's no attempt to make us believe that it was made in 2002 rather than 1984-85! That's just silly. If Lucas had wanted the movies to be watched in numerical order, he would have written and made then in numerical order. It's that simple.

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I can't see buying the OOT again, for animorphic anyway. If they did remaster it tho I probably would. The OT wasn't too bad tho.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Lucas will continue to remaster the movies until he is happy with everything (I hope 2007 will be it)


But what if it isn't? What if he continues to tinker with them every year, releasing the latest version of his original vision with his tinkering and obvious flaws that he refuses to even acknowledge as if he thinks you're too stupid to recognize it for what it is? Are you simply going to toss away every "inferior" version, even though a year ago, you thought it was the kickassinest, da bombiest version you've ever seen? Or is there going to become a point where you say, "Actually, I like the April 2012 version a lot better than the September 2012 version. Why should I change? Why won't he release the April 2012 version anymore?"

And does it ever occur to you that having this many versions of a single movie is completely absurd? That's why I'm against changing movies in the first place. Why should there be five different versions of Casablanca when the original one will suffice? Why go back and try to change the past? You've made your movie. You had your shot. Now it exists. Now it's time to move on to your next project. I would think that having multiple versions compete against each other would be bad from a business perspective anyway, because it splits your fans' loyalties, but Lucas has managed to parlay it, through deception and stealth, into a great business opportunity. Like Sifo-Dyas said, it's not about visions or improving or connecting the trilogies. It's about milking the cash cow again by never releasing a complete version of anything. It's always a work in the making.

And why on earth would you want to delude yourself into thinking that a 30 year old movie is brand new by adding a whole bunch of new technology, etc. into it. The Back to the Future box set has great picture quality up to today's standards, but there's no attempt to make us believe that it was made in 2002 rather than 1984-85! That's just silly. If Lucas had wanted the movies to be watched in numerical order, he would have written and made then in numerical order. It's that simple.



Very smart statement Gaffer Tape. I think the only times films should be altered are for thier first DVD releases. (Unrated, Extended, etc.) These versions are fine because they are like "unedited" versions, versions that couldn't be shown in theaters. I mean, I'm extremely glad Peter Jackson did the extended versions of LOTR. Now there are two versions, and both widely distributed. But when it comes to remixing it annually, it gets horribly silly.

I laughed out loud at that statement about "I like April 2012 more than September 2012." So true, too...

And if Lucas wanted us to watch them in the order 1,2,3,4,5,6, then he should have made them that way for the love of Christ. At least don't put this bullshit on us about "I couldn't make six films originally" blah blah blah. Star Wars was originally one movie. Then two. It was a movie with sequels, and for the love of fuck there was no grand master plan!!!! That's what pisses me off about Lucas the most. "This is how it was always supposed to be," yadda blah yadda...
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To me, it seems that, besides Lord of the Rings, the only films that come out of the gate with extended or unrated versions are crappy, raunchy comedies that need that kind of promotion to sell better. Honestly, I don't think any of them are necessary. After all, we have DVD. And with DVD, there's this awesome trend to make deleted scenes available to the general public. That way, you can see the sometimes cool things that just didn't fit in the movie or couldn't be in the movie. Plus, you get the added bonus of feeling like you have extra knowledge that the average Tom, Dick, and Harry don't know. And the director gets to show off footage he may have liked but wasn't able to put in the movie. It's a win-win situation, and you're left with one, simple movie, but you get the extended, unrated stuff as well! How awesome is that? And then fan-editors can make their own versions for the people who want to see what the movie would be like had those scenes been left in!

And thanks for the compliments, Darth_Evil. I wouldn't be surprised if the twice-annual Star Wars fix doesn't indeed become a reality at some point! =P

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Different versions due to being unrated or extended is one thing. Another would be if the studio tried to interfere like they did with Ridley Scott on "Blade Runner" and "Legend" or Terry Gilliam on "Brazil."

Marioxb, if you think an older film shouldn't look as good as a new one, rent or borrow any of these dvd's and ask yourself how they can look like they were shot yesterday.
The Adventures of Robin Hood (1937) that's a whole 40 years before Star Wars was released
Gone With the Wind (1939) either the newer 4 disc or 2 disc editions
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971) saw this over 10 years ago in school on vhs, looked pretty bad.
Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1974) this was the first dvd I got and I couldn't believe how much better it looked than a vhs rental.
Dragonslayer (1981) there's plenty of matte lines here so focus on the non special effects shots
E. T. The Extra Terrestrial (1982) avoid the '05 single disc release and you will have both versions. How can they both look good?
Legend (1985) region 1 "ultimate edition" has two versions, both in high quality.
Back to the Future trilogy (1985, 89, 90) listen to the Q & A audio on film one near the end, it's asked if any visibly wires were erased.

These are what I would show someone if I had to convince them that dvd is better than vhs or laserdisc. And by the way "Star Wars" was shot in Anamorphic Scope 2.35:1 on 35mm film.

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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger

Back to the Future trilogy (1985, 89, 90) listen to the Q & A audio on film one near the end, it's asked if any visibly wires were erased.


Which is what I love about that set. No attempt to digitally alter anything. Wires are all there. Original miniatures are still used. "To Be Continued..." taken out. Trailer for Part III in there. There is nothing about that set that isn't perfect! And there is nothing about that set that reeks of revisionist history. Those are the movies. The end. And when Universal misframed them, they didn't claim it was a deliberate creative decision. They did a free recall and replacement. It might have been a bit expensive and troublesome for them, but it sure made me respect them a lot more than I respect Lucas and Fox.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: Knightmessenger

Back to the Future trilogy (1985, 89, 90) listen to the Q & A audio on film one near the end, it's asked if any visibly wires were erased.


Which is what I love about that set. No attempt to digitally alter anything. Wires are all there. Original miniatures are still used. "To Be Continued..." taken out. Trailer for Part III in there. There is nothing about that set that isn't perfect! And there is nothing about that set that reeks of revisionist history. Those are the movies. The end. And when Universal misframed them, they didn't claim it was a deliberate creative decision. They did a free recall and replacement. It might have been a bit expensive and troublesome for them, but it sure made me respect them a lot more than I respect Lucas and Fox.

AMEN! I respect Universal and a few other studios because they have EARNED it from me. On the same token, I don't respect LFL/Fox because of all of the crap they have pulled.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
It's amazing to me, that some people have not yet realized that this isn't an OOT vs. SE issue anymore. What is it about then?


Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
George Lucas isn't about OOTs or SEs or prequels. He is about earning money through artificially keeping demand alife through selling inferior products.
Nuff said.