@ KnightOfRound, I saw that thread, so I know about the old preservation.
There was an attempt to upload it to MySpleen, but it didn't work, so if you can upload it to a convenient filehost like Sendspace or Wetransfer, I'd be very happy to see it.
BTW, do you have the DVD files or a rip?
All the same, if the OP has a better source for preservation, for example, if the LD is of higher quality, I'd really like to see it, and TLK too.
@ nirbateman: Which DVD files do you mean? From the LD preservation if I remember right I think this are the DVD files (VOB,BUP..) and not a rip.
I see what I can do, I was happy to see the movie in it`s original colors, so I don`t know whether the Disc has better quality as other resources.
@ KnightOfRound: Yes, that's what I mean. Thank you.
Wow, how many comments!
So, at the end, which are the most important titles to restore to start with?
The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast for their original unaltered version;
Fantasia primarily for its laserdisc PCM audio track;
Snow White, Pinocchio and Cinderella box sets for their original mono mixes on the analog tracks;
Cinderella for its original colors;
anything else?
About Roger Rabbit PAL: if I rembember well (because I watched it several years ago) this version is uncensored... but maybe I'm wrong; I have to check them, when I'll have time.
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That seems best to me, Andrea!
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
Cinderella and BatB seem good to me too, Andrea, and I would dearly love to see a transfer of the Deluxe CAV of Pinocchio. I saw a comparison of the BD, DVD and LD on a forum (I forget which) and the LD looked by far the best. My LD of Cinderella looks like this.
I only *wish* I had that edition of Cinderella. I have its CLV counterpart.
Aladdin's video... I couldn't detect anything, supposedly some of the CG was redone... the credits were redone, yeah, but that's minimal. The sound... well, you'd have to combine stuff, since I'm pretty sure no home video release ever had "cut off your ear".
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
The "cut off your ear" line was only on the theatrical release and the soundtrack album.
There was also that line when Aladdin is trying to quiet Rajah down, the line people mistook as "take off your clothes". It was on the VHS and laserdisc, but it was altered in the Platinum DVD and I assume it's still altered on the Blu-ray?
Also, which issue of The Rescuers do you have, Andrea? The 1992 release or the 1999 one? There was that infamous nude centerfold in the apartment window, which only appeared on the initial pressings of the '99 version. It's more obscure than its VHS counterpart; according to someone on Home Theater Forum, the first Rescuers '99 LD pressing was recalled before street date. If the spine says "14793 AS", you have that version. If it says "17105 AS", you have the revised pressing.
IMO, the nude photo in The Rescuers isn't as high a priority as all this other stuff, I just thought I'd ask.
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- 74 - Akira (Criterion Collection CAV) (Letterbox - DS)
- 74b - Akira (Criterion Collection CLV) (Letterbox - DS)
Apparently I'm in a niche group of people who prefer the original English dub of Akira to the redub (and I don't just mean on this forum). There was an official PAL release of it on DVD, but it's in fullscreen, it looks pretty crummy, and I could not get the audio to sync up to NTSC video at all.
I think the audio was in mono, too. I know someone had an AVI widescreen fan-edit of the original audio at Demonoid, I think it was in stereo, but the sound quality was really bad. Probably sourced from an old VHS.
I guess most people just watch it with the Japanese audio and English subs.
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Asaki said:
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
- 74 - Akira (Criterion Collection CAV) (Letterbox - DS)
- 74b - Akira (Criterion Collection CLV) (Letterbox - DS)
Apparently I'm in a niche group of people who prefer the original English dub of Akira to the redub (and I don't just mean on this forum). There was an official PAL release of it on DVD, but it's in fullscreen, it looks pretty crummy, and I could not get the audio to sync up to NTSC video at all.
I think the audio was in mono, too. I know someone had an AVI widescreen fan-edit of the original audio at Demonoid, I think it was in stereo, but the sound quality was really bad. Probably sourced from an old VHS.
I guess most people just watch it with the Japanese audio and English subs.
Yes, that's what my wife and I do.
However, I consider the original English dub to be one of the best.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
"The Rescuers" catalog number is 1399 CS.
About Akira: do you think the laserdisc could be better than the DVD counterpart? If I'll decide to do a preservation, I'll include, apart english and japanese, also the italian soundtrack - also, for the Disney, I could use italian soundtrack from my friend's original VHS , if they are still playable...
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About Roger Rabbit PAL: if I rembember well (because I watched it several years ago) this version is uncensored... but maybe I'm wrong; I have to check them, when I'll have time.
The NTSC Roger Rabbit LD I have is theatrical version through and through.
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About Akira: do you think the laserdisc could be better than the DVD counterpart?
Well if yours is in letterbox, and NTSC, and has the original English dub, then yes, it'll be better than the fullscreen PAL DVD.
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_,,,^..^,,,_, you forgot to add the 1997 Bambi 55th Anniversary Laserdisc.
It includes the RKO Radio Pictures logo not seen on the DVD and Blu-ray.
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_,,,^..^,,,_, you forgot to add the 1997 Bambi 55th Anniversary Laserdisc.
It includes the RKO Radio Pictures logo not seen on the DVD and Blu-ray.
If this is the only difference, I could capture only the RKO logo, and someone could insert it in a DVD/BD version. What do you think?
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abolafiaa said:
_,,,^..^,,,_, you forgot to add the 1997 Bambi 55th Anniversary Laserdisc.
It includes the RKO Radio Pictures logo not seen on the DVD and Blu-ray.
If this is the only difference, I could capture only the RKO logo, and someone could insert it in a DVD/BD version. What do you think?
Maybe you could do it, Andrea. By the way, I think the laserdisc has the original mono mix in PCM and maybe a few other extras too but you should check and see.
I found a raw cap of Beauty and the Beast WIP... well, as raw as my DVD recorder makes :P
As I can't find anything else, I may up the caps as they are.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
Today I was looking at my laserdisc collection, in particular at cartoons and animation; I wondered which of them may worth a preservation... like if there are no DVD or Blu-Ray editions; or, if present, there are alterations (like cuts, reanimations, wrong audio or aspect ratio) etc.
I'm quite sure some of Disney and Who Framed Roger Rabbit shorts have alterations.
So here you are my little animation collection:
Disney feature films
- 1 - Aladdin (Letterbox - DS)
- 2 - Aristocats, The (Full Screen - Stereo)
- 3 - Beauty And The Beast - Work In Progress (Letterbox - DS)
- 4 - Beauty And The Beast (Letterbox - DS)
- 5 - Cinderella (Box Set) (Letterbox - DS)
- 6 - Fantasia (Full Screen - DS)
- 6b - Fantasia Box Set
- 7 - Hercules (Letterbox - AC3)
- 7b - Hercules (Letterbox - DTS)
- 8 - Hunchback of notre dame (Letterbox - AC3)
- 8b - Hunchback of notre dame (Letterbox - DTS - Thx)
- 9 - Jungle Book, The (Full Screen - DS - CAV)
- 9b - Jungle Book, The (Full Screen - DS - CLV)
- 10 - Lion King (Letterbox - AC3)
- 10b - Lion King Box Set (AC3)
- 11 - Little Mermaid, The (Stereo)
- 12 - Mickey Mouse B&W Box Set (Full Screen - Mono)
- 13 - Pinocchio (Box Set) (Full Screen - DS)
- 14 - Pocahontas (Letterbox - AC3)
- 14b - Pocahontas (Letterbox - DTS - Thx)
- 15 - Rescuers Down Under, The (DS)
- 16 - Rescuers, The (Stereo)
- 17 - Rox Et Rouky [The Fox And The Hound] (Full Screen - DS)
- 18 - Sleeping Beauty (Letterbox - AC3)
- 19 - Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs (Box Set) (DS)
- 20 - Sword And The Stone, The (DS)
- 21 - Three Caballeros, The (Stereo)
- 22 - Toy Story (Letterbox - AC3)
- 22b - Toy Story (Letterbox - DTS - Thx)
- 22c - Toy Story Box Set (AC3)
Not Disney interesting titles:
- 23 - All Dogs Go To Heaven (DS)
- 24 - All Dogs Go To Heaven 2 (Letterbox - AC3)
- 25 - Anastasia (Letterbox - AC3)
- 26 - Balto (Letterbox - Surround)
- 27 - Betty Boop 1 (DS)
- 28 - Betty Boop 2
- 29 - Bruno Bozzetto: Animator (CAV)
- 30 - Cats Don't Dance (Letterbox - AC3)
- 31 - Daffy Duck's Movie: Fantastic Island
- 32 - Daffy Duck's Quackbusters
- 33 - Ferngully: The Last Rainforest (Letterbox - DS)
- 34 - Fievel (Letterbox)
- 35 - Fievel Goes West (Letterbox - DS)
- 36 - James And The Giant Peach (Letterbox - AC3)
- 37 - Nightmare Before Christmas, The (Box Set) (Letterbox - DS)
- 37b - Nightmare Before Christmas, The (Letterbox - DTS)
- 38 - Pebble And The Penguin (Letterbox - Surround)
- 39 - Road Runner Vs. Wile E. Coyote, The (Full Screen - Mono)
- 40 - Secret Of N.I.H.M. (DS)
- 41 - Thumbelina (Letterbox - DS)
- 42 - Tom & Jerry - The Movie
- 43 - Wallace And Gromit: Grand Day Out/Wrong Trousers (Stereo)
- 44 - We're Back! (Letterbox - DS)
- 45 - Who Framed Roger Rabbit (PAL - Side 3 (CAV) Contains The Following Bonus Roger Rabbit Short Cartoons: Tummy Trouble; Roller Coaster Rabbit; Trail Mix-Up)
short cartoons and other:
- 46 - A Disney Christmas Gift
- 47 - A Goofy Movie (DS)
- 48 - Beauty & The Beast: Enchanted Christmas (Full Screen - AC3)
- 49 - Chip'n'dale Rescue Ranger: Danger Rangers/Super Sleuths
- 50 - Darkwing Duck: Darkly Dawns The Duck/Birth Of Negaduck (Stereo)
- 51 - Darkwing Duck: Justice Ducks Unite!/Comic Book Capers (Stereo)
- 52 - Disney Cartoon Classics: Donald & Daisy/Pluto & Fifi
- 53 - Disney Cartoon Classics: Happy Summer Days/Fun On The Job!/The Goofy World Of Sports
- 54 - Disney Cartoon Classics: Pluto
- 55 - Disney Cartoon Classics: Scary Tales
- 56 - Disney Cartoon Classics: Silly Symphonies!/Animals Two By Two
- 57 - Disney Cartoon Classics: Silly Symphonies: Animal Tales
- 58 - Disney Cartoon Classics: Starring Mickey & Minnie/Starring Chip'n'dale
- 59 - Disney Favorite Stories: Three Little Pig/Paul Bunyan
- 60 - Disney Mini Classics: Ben And Ma/Bongo
- 61 - Disney: Goof Troop: Goin' Fishin'/Banding Together
- 62 - Family Dog Collection
- 63 - Jetsons: First Episodes
- 64 - Jetsons: Jetson's Millions/Astro's Top Secret/Microchip Chump
- 65 - Jetsons: No Space For Sprockets/Elroy's Mob/Las Venus/Good Little Scouts
- 66 - Jetsons: The Movie (Surround)
- 67 - Superman Cartoons Of Max & Dave Fleischer, The (Full Screen - Mono)
- 68 - This Is America, Charlie Brown Vol. 2
- 69 - This Is America, Charlie Brown Vol.3
- 70 - Tom & Jerry Classics (Full Screen - Mono)
- 71 - Tom And Jerry Cartoon Festival Volume 1
- 72 - Winnie The Pooh: Making Friends/Sharing And Caring
- 73 - Winnie The Pooh: New Found Friends/Great Honeypotrobbery
Adult animation:
- 74 - Akira (Criterion Collection CAV) (Letterbox - DS)
- 74b - Akira (Criterion Collection CLV) (Letterbox - DS)
- 75 - Beavis And Butthead Do America (Letterbox - DS)
- 76 - Cyber City Oedo Data One
- 77 - Ghost In The Shell (Stereo)
- 78 - Heavy Metal (Letterbox - DS)
- 79 - Spawn: The Animation Season 1 (Full Screen - DS)
- 80 - Spawn: The Animation Season 2 (Full Screen - DS)
- 81 - Tokyo Babylon 1
(numbers are provided for comments reference)
(striked titles: there is DVD and/or BD with same content)
(bold titles: there is DVD and/or BD with different content)
(bold and italic: there is no DVD or BD)
I'm most interested in Disney and non-Disney feature lenght film - for some of them, I could think also to use my Pioneer HLD-X9!
Waiting for comments from users more expert than me.
Yes, they need preservation (especially the pre-Toy Story ones for the Disney's).
Good collection, although what's missing are (follow the links for additional informations) :
Saludos Amigos/Three Caballeros;
other titles might follows...
By the way, if you are going to preserve theese, don't forget to preserve the bonuses, especially the Disney, as some are very rare or hard to come by since the never went to DVD or BR.
It might be interesting to preserve the laserdisc transfer of Toy Story as well, since it was the only version of any Pixar movie sourced from a film interpositive.
Starting with the video release of A Bug's Life, all Pixar home video masters came directly from the digital files, and for the DVD release of Toy Story they went back and did a direct-digital version too. The VHS and LD are the only time a film-sourced version was released. Not a high priority, just would be interesting.
Hmm... That might be worth the shot, indeed...
I don't pretend to be an expert on Disney films and AV quality of their releases (I just learned most of my stuff from the Vaultbreaker thread and DVDIzzy in recent days), but, here are my recommendations. (reasons underneath why)
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- 3 - Beauty And The Beast - Work In Progress (Letterbox - DS)
Has original "Be Our Guest" with Belle's father-- different than DVD.
- 4 - Beauty And The Beast (Letterbox - DS)
OAR, original colors, OTV, and no IMAX clean ups.
- 5 - Cinderella (Box Set) (Letterbox - DS)
Bought this a long time ago. Looked at it now. It's got gorgeous picture and audio for a laserdisc. The DVD/BD Lowry restoration was the most botched out of the ones for the Classic Disney films; also, original RKO card!
- 6 - Fantasia (Full Screen - DS)
- 6b - Fantasia Box Set
Original narration by Mr. Deems Taylor.
- 10 - Lion King (Letterbox - AC3)
- 10b - Lion King Box Set (AC3)
OTV. No reanimation of crocodiles.
"67 - Superman Cartoons Of Max & Dave Fleischer, The (Full Screen - Mono)"
How's the picture quality? Does it have same oversaturation issue as the DVD releases?
That's a tough question considering those shorts are in the public domain and there are numerous releases of it with varying quality. I understand the "official" WB release is actually on the low end, but I forget which on DVD is best.
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I did a re-edit of the Superman shorts a few years ago, using the warner dvd for the image and the old Bosco/Image Entertainment DVD for the sound. Maybe I'll rework them and then upload them for our group. But I have absolutely no idea about the laserdisc.
I think it'll be safer to upload the full LD so everyone here will be able to compare.
How's the picture quality? Does it have same oversaturation issue as the DVD releases?
Joral, do you have any informations about the original technical specifications of those shorts ?
hi Andrea,
I know you're busy with your Star Wars projects but I was wondering if these were still captures you were considering doing.
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