Disney's 'Beauty and the Beast' - special project (* unfinished project *)

Hi, I’m working on a Blu-Ray fan project about this Disney feature and I’m stuck in a dilemna that I want to share with you people, if your interested by it.

First, I want to put the 3D version in, since that apparently, it the best High resolution transfer of the film (corrected in the edit) and do have a better color palette (more accurate to the original, according to some). Unfortunately I can’t bring myself to chose if I should keep the original one too (a LD rip with a rip of the original Work in progress LD too) even for preservation sake.

About the 3d version, I thought to work on the color timing of it so the image would be closer to the LD, but unfortunately I lack the knowledge  necessary to work on that, even on after effects and avisynth. If anibody can help with that, thanks.

Added to this would be the new film’s workprint (both this and the WIP LD have some differences, like the edited out Gaston’s skulls in the end). I’ve heard that the original WIP had a making of documentary of it’s ows. Is that true ? If yes, that would be interesting to preserve. Does anyone here has the LD.

Anyway, I’ll bring more details to this later.

While I don't have the LD itself, Molly uploaded a rip to TPB, it has 4 dvd's with the making of documentary on the fourth, and I retained it to be uploaded.

If you'd like, I can send it over.

Thanks Nirbateman, but I already have this one, which I think nearly 20 minutes of duration. Is that right ?

Yes, that's the one.

Was the 3D missing shadows or was that just Lion King?

It is a shame that Disney DNR their animated stuff :(

From what I've read and seen, the 3D version of Beauty and the beast was altered a lot here and there.

First of all the color timing has been changed once again, and while overall more technically correct, I doubt it's what it originally looked like. I saw the movie in the theater way back, and while I can't remember how it looked, I think I've seen film cell scans on the web where it looked like it had the pink-ish tint of the old releases.

And second, they've changed colors for specific scenes here and there.

They also made some other alterations.

This video compares the two blu-ray releases. At 1:15 you can see the tree on the left side is blurred in the diamond edition but sharp in the 3D.

This site shows some of the other changes compared to older releases.

Not bashing your idea, but I think that the only way to really bring this film back would be to find an original print and get it scanned and restored.

My other option is to include the LD rip I have on the same Blu-ray disc as a bonus à la Star Wars (or how it should have been done, anyway). If somebody here is interested to re-capture the LD with the appropriate device & settings, I think it'll help in both ways.

So, what do you think ? Continue the extensieve work to get something close out of the 3d version, of just put the two versions together (and other goodies) and be done with this project ?

Man, Disney really sucks at this whole preservation thing don't they?

Maybe I'm glad Mary Poppins hasn't been transfered to Bluray yet... (looking forward to the Winnie The Pooh bluray though...) 

First blu-ray? Wait, there was more than one? 

Jebus... these guys. 

Hi everyone. Based on this image sample, which version of the Blu-rays do you think has got the closer colour match from the original ?

Thanks to answer

Not yet. I'm still working on it on my free time.

monks19 said:

Hi everyone. Based on this image sample, which version of the Blu-rays do you think has got the closer colour match from the original ?

Thanks to answer

 

Hello Monks!

First of all I have to say, Beauty and the Beast is my favourite filmof all time, and I was so frustrated on  Disney because it altered the colors radically!

So, i refuse to buy the Bluray, and I'm watching the film only from a LDrip i got from the net.

What LD rip do you have exactly?

I have one that is turned into a fullDVD (4.06GBs) with a menu.

By the way, that image sample, it seems someone has altered the colors of the Bluray screenshots, trying to match the original.

here's the original photo:

(The LD screenshots are mine, and they are coming from the LDrip I have)

http://members.chello.nl/h.h.j.f.beens/temp/BatB_LD-VHS-3D-BD.jpg

By the way, I don't think it's a good idea to make a 3D bluray to 2D because the concepts are different.

In the 3d, the backgrounds are more blurry, so as to bring out the front.

Hi, Titanic. Welcome abord &... don't sink too soon with the actual Disney cargo (sorry, the pun was too tempting) .I've never said that I'll do a 3d downscalling, so don't worry about that, I'm working with the other version mostly. The LD image, even on the screencaps, seemed a little over brightened so I toned down a little during the edit I'm doing on my free time at home (meaning not too often these days, alas). I'm also matching the original colours so the final product will have the same colours (or very close) from the LD (only the brightness, contrast & saturation from this source will be corrected a little bit).

So, it might take a while since I'm doing this shot by shot and also I'm doing the audio (english & french) that need to be reconstructed from scratch depending of the sources.

So, in the end, the waiting will well worth it.

First of all I have to say, Beauty and the Beast is my favourite filmof all time, and I was so frustrated on  Disney because it altered the colors radically!

So, i refuse to buy the Bluray, and I'm watching the film only from a LDrip i got from the net.

What LD rip do you have exactly?

It's a LD rip that I got from someone here. Not the best quality, but still useable.

I'm entirely with you about Disney with it's actual management, let them screw themselves up with their new and cheezy franchises. They are actually going the same way as Universal with Phantom of the opera (1925), a film that put them on the map but abbandonned anyway, which was nearly ok since some good edition and restaurations came out from others, which is the oppsite of the actual Universal Monsters collection. Although, Disney are becoming so cheap now that they can't assume good restaurations from real professionnals (sorry, but Lowry stinks) just in the name of money. They've pushed so hard on protection of copyright just to be sure that the Disney era stuff stay in their hands only for pocket money, while there's not much money there, they prefer to let those collect dust instead of doing something about it. Their recent batch of barebone Blu-Rays and dvds (some filled with so idiotic stuff) shows just how much they don't care about their more advised customers. That's the main reason Why I'm boycoting them.

So, there you go...

i have a very good quality 720p hd cap (not a re-encode to 720p) of the original theatrical cut, which pre-dates the blu-ray and possibly the dvd.

Thank you very much monks for the welcome and I really really appreciate your efforts! I admire that you decided to do something like that.

By the way, i had seen somewhere a Bluray screenshot of someone that tried to match the original colors (from the ballroom scene), and he did an exceptional work. I would have to find it and post here.

edit: here it is:

http://imageshack.us/a/img9/9251/beautyandthebeastcolori.jpg

oh, i wanted to ask: what is wrong with the audio? I have watched only the DVD (i mean besides the VHS and LD) and didn't notice anything. Isn't the Bluray audio good?

by the way, have you seen the new restoration that is being done in  "Gulliver's Travels" (1939) by a very small studio (with a forthcoming Bluray release)?

The result is OUTSTANDING!

http://www.intanibase.com/forum/index.php?topic=1283.msg10867#msg10867

I wish Disney would make restorations like these!

No change in aspect ratios, no grain removal, no change of colors!

These are people that respect the fans and the animation films from what it seems.

@zeropc

Wow!! Are you serious? can you post any screenshots? I would be very much interested in it!

preferably screenshots that match these, to compare:

http://members.chello.nl/h.h.j.f.beens/temp/BatB_LD-VHS-3D-BD.jpg