Here you are - left untouched, right filtered, no upscale: MEGA
Waiting for your feedbacks!
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Wow. I'm sold on the filtered version.
I do want to ask though if the aliasing is a result of down scaling(?) for the sample. I also have the feeling the aspect ratio is a bit wider than it should be. Again, since it isn't your final HD I'm assuming that's from reducing the size.
Dr. M
No downscaling; this is the raw laserdisc capture, just cropped; of course, as it's cropped, the aspect ratio is not right.
Happy to know you like the filtered version; it took me a lot to reach a good overall balance - not perfect, but good enough and way better than the unfiltered version, IMHO.
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Realizing mine is probably an unpopular opinion--I prefer the unfiltered. There is a warm depth to it that I miss when I watch the right side. Not to belittle your work...it looks miles better than the BD so congrats. So you didn't apply any noise reduction to the unfiltered? I've never seen any Disney laserdiscs, but it's hard for me to believe that it contains that little grain.
screamingtrees said:
Realizing mine is probably an unpopular opinion--I prefer the unfiltered. There is a warm depth to it that I miss when I watch the right side. Not to belittle your work...it looks miles better than the BD so congrats. So you didn't apply any noise reduction to the unfiltered? I've never seen any Disney laserdiscs, but it's hard for me to believe that it contains that little grain.
I would prefer the unfiltered also, seeing the clip.
The filtered one has better colors, but as I had said earlier, it doesn't have that effect of blurry backgrounds, and characters + backgrounds look like one thing.
So, I would be interested in the unfiltered one because:
1) it is much better than the LD capture that was around the previous years:
(LD2 is sporv's)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/86496
2) it doesn't alter the blurry look of the backgrounds (see the tree on the right, and the tavern on the left) and also is grainy as much as it can be seen in the medium (while the filtered one is degrained):
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
No downscaling; this is the raw laserdisc capture, just cropped; of course, as it's cropped, the aspect ratio is not right.
Happy to know you like the filtered version; it took me a lot to reach a good overall balance - not perfect, but good enough and way better than the unfiltered version, IMHO.
Huh? Then the filtered side is the filters without the upscale.
My concern was a lot of aliasing (stair stepping on straight lines.) If you had taken the final version and downscaled it, I could see how that could happen. Now I'm concerned about how the complete version looks.
As far as the the aspect ratio, I wasn't going by measurements, I just thought everything looked a bit squashed. Like Laserdisc 1 in this comparison: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/86496
Dr. M
Yes, this is another reason too I prefer the unfiltered version.
See an upscaled image from the video:
Aspect ratio: Laserdisc 1 from the previous comparison wasn't my capture...
About aliasing: the final version use different avisynth scripts, so low def is not that good, while final result is better IMHO... here you are the comparison between the raw laserdisc capture (bicubic resize), and [spoRv]:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/112910
I don't say [spoRv] version is perfect, at the contrary... it's just my preferred compromise, that's it!
If an unfiltered version is so necessary, I could do it, just let me know if an x264 8Mbps version should do...
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I'll say that I don't need the unfiltered release. I don't know about anyone else.
Dr. M
Thanks Doctor M, happy to know that we agree!
...but I'm sure someone else would STILL like to get the unfiltered version... (^^,)
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Doctor M said: I'll say that I don't need the unfiltered release. I don't know about anyone else.
I'm with you. The improvement that the filtering produces far outweighs any side effects that I can see.
The problem is there is just not much clean detail in the original disc. I'm mostly shocked by the ghosting.
It may look over-filtered, but it is just a distillation of what little good image there is. I can find no detail that is actually being removed.
It'll make a good reference in the future for anyone wanting to try to re-color-time a newer release.
Dr. M
Thanks again, Chewtobacca and Doctor M; your opinions matter a lot to me!
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Aspect ratio: Laserdisc 1 from the previous comparison wasn't my capture...
Yes of course. I said so in my post.
I said LD2 is sporv's.
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
...but I'm sure someone else would STILL like to get the unfiltered version... (^^,)
That would be me! ;-)
And yes. I'm still interested in the unfiltered version.
I prefer it than the filtered one.
Anyone else that still agrees?
By the way, the unfiltered one, even if it is more blurry, it shows more detail!
See for example in the comparison you posted the window on the left. There is a verical line inside the glass that is vanished in the filtered one. well, ok, that's nothing but i just used it to show my point.
(also the line on the dress on Belle's back is vanished a bit)
Also, the filters destroy the haziness of the lights and shadows.. Can't understand how anyone doesn't see it..
Anyway, I hope you're not offended sporv, since you did all that hard work, but i still prefer the unfiltered one.
I dunno what window line you are referring to, titanic, there are many lines that are ghost images.
But now that you mention it the vertical seam on the back of her dress loses its top and bottom edge and the knot in her apron becomes a bit less distinct. Unfortunately those details are pretty hard to make out before the filtering and in motion are probably invisible.
Do you plan to attempt your own clean up, titanic, or do you figure to watch it completely unfiltered?
Dr. M
Doctor M said:
Do you plan to attempt your own clean up, titanic, or do you figure to watch it completely unfiltered?
No, i wouldn't do anything on that.
I would watch it as it is, as I see in the unfiltered screenshot!
It's the best it could look with the sources we have, to my eyes.
it's much much better than the previous LD rip (if I'm not mistaken that was molly's)
This is the verical line I was referring to. (from bottom to top of the window)
If you go back and forth in the comparison, it's vanished. (you can see just a bit on the bottom)
Also, look at the shape of the windows.
That is altered too in the filtered version.
You are quite correct, titanic. For comparison here is the Platinum DVD of the same frame. That is meant to be a reflection or inside detail.
Also a screenie for giggles, don't expect more.
Dr. M
I examined all the feedbacks... I think both versions (filtered Vs unfiltered) have their strenght and weakness, so... why don't use the "best of both world"?
Here you are the screenshot - unfiltered Vs "mix":
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/112945
Opinions?
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Flicking between those screenshots is a great way to replicate the effect i see when I put on and take off my glasses. First one looks like it has a layer of Vaseline over it compared to the "mix". Second shot looks great
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I examined all the feedbacks... I think both versions (filtered Vs unfiltered) have their strenght and weakness, so... why don't use the "best of both world"?
Here you are the screenshot - unfiltered Vs "mix":
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/112945
Opinions?
I don't understand what is the mix, but still preferring the unfiltered one of course.
The filtered version reminds me of the SITS BLuray:
and even if we can't have an HD quality resolution in the original laserdisc, I prefer to see a blurry version of it than the smudged and flat colors.
i'm still voting for an untouched copy, and that's how I plan to watch it (no plans to restore the video myself). x264 8mbps is fine I'd even be okay with none-HD as titanic said too. in that last screen comparison the ghosting is almost more apparent in the mix version--referring to the bottom left side of Belle's dress.
I had contacted a guy in October, and said he has a 16mm Beauty and the Beast with great polyester colors.
Although the language was in dutch.
He was selling it I think for 400 euros.
Anyway, I believe we have 3 votes now for unfiltered Beauty and the Beast.
titanic, screamingtrees and RU.08.
Even if many peope don't like it, I think that a good capture of the LD which sporv did already, should exist, for preservation's sake.
Screenshots from a Derann 8mm print of Beauty and the Beast! WOW!
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=2;t=004650
Wow is right! The print looks gorgeous.