Disney's Beauty and the Beast [spoRv] BD-25 (Released) — Page 3

The latest clips uses the same noise reduction of the previous ones; if msycamore or g-force would like to comment about these clips, they are welcome!

The fact that I released test clips as avi instead of mkv was due to the fact that virtualdub save the file as avi, and not mkv... for this, I should use another software, but as I'm lazy sometimes, I left the avi "as is"... for the laserdisc soundtrack, of course the final format will be PCM (only converted from 44.1kHz to 48kHz to be BD compliant).

THIRD FINAL CLIP(S) AVAILABLE!

Here you are the third final clip(s); Belle and the Beast dancing; 89MB, mkv, 24mbps, PCM audio:

sharpened - http://www.sendspace.com/file/o0805t

NOT sharpened - http://www.sendspace.com/file/g4d23i

choose your preferred version, as I'd like to render the final video ASAP. THANKS to everybody!

notes taken: unsharped 2, sharpened 0...

any other votes? c'mon, don't be shy... (^^,)

I'm not sure why you would be using virtualdub with x264, it doesn't handle it well.

If you are using a good encoder like MeGUI, it automatically uses MKV.

As far as the sharpening, downloading the clips now, but what filter are you using?  I'm a fan of LimitedSharpenFaster.  It produces good results with little or no artifacts.

Edit: Um, I dunno.  I think the clips are getting worse, not better.  Comparing the deghosting scripts, the denoising scripts, the sharpening, etc.  I'm seeing more and more signs of overprocessing.

Deghosting is scrubbing fine detail that isn't ghosts.  Even the unsharpened 3b clip has some terrible banding (which might be a bitrate issue.  Hard to say without uncompressed screenshots).

The sharpening filter is plain awful and looks like some of the official Disney BDs.

IMHO, "test4-analoclean+magicup.avi" is still the best looking clip you've posted.  I can tolerate the ghosting after seeing what the filtering does.

Chewtobacca sent me some tips; I'll have to change my habits! But I'd like to use something easy as x264 GUI, like Simple x264 Laucher - any other hints are welcome!

Actually, the sharpened version is the previous HaloClean + LimitedSharpenFaster... at the end, what version do you prefer, sharpened or not?

Updated my last comments while you were responding... see Post 55.

THIRD FINAL CLIP(S) AVAILABLE - update

Belle and the Beast dancing; 89MB, mkv, 24mbps, PCM audio:

(note: the first two are the same of post #51, so if you have downloaded them, just download only the third one)

sharpened - http://www.sendspace.com/file/o0805t = HaloClean + LimitedSharpenFaster

NOT sharpened - http://www.sendspace.com/file/g4d23i = HaloClean

as test4 - http://www.sendspace.com/file/cg2sal = AnaloClean

All of them have been upscaled with MagicUp

The not sharpened one, with HaloClean only, has not the ghosting effect, but loose details; the sharpened one is sharper but has more problems than the previous; the last one, has ghosting but more details...

Vote your preferred clip!

First of all, thanks to nirbateman, Chewtobacca, Doctor M, bkev; you took care and time to download, watch and comment the test clips; your help is really appreciated, and pointed me to the

Possible Candidate #1

This is the same scene of the previous tests; this time I took AnaloClean, HaloClean, put them in the kitchen blender, and voilà! Here you are HaloClean2 - a lot less ghosting than AnaloClean, a lot more details than HaloClean... best of both world, I believe...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/rbk27i

So, if you like AnaloClean details, but hate the residual ghosting, you'll love HaloClean2... (^^,) well, I hope so...

Possible Candidate script - test clip #2

A new scene, same script used for the last one -> HaloClean2 + MagicUp

http://www.sendspace.com/file/d9tumu

DoomBot said:

i wonder what a grain plate applied to this would look like?

No.  Just, no.

@ _,,,^..^,,,_ (I will hereafter refer to you as 'Cat'.)  I still like the plain old analoclean.

I'm afraid sharpening will only enhance the ghosting and removing the ghosting has negative effects on the detail. 

I've never had good success with it, a dehalo filter might work on the ghosting though at the expense of sharpness.

I also agree with Chewtobacca.  If you could turn down the analoclean a bit, that might be good.

For some of these tests, screenshots from the avisynth script is fine for comparison.  You really don't have to re-encode a clip each time.

Finally, I do have concerns that there appears to be dot crawl that should be filtered before the resize.  You can see it in Lumiere's arms/small candles below.  (Some suggestions on how can be found here: http://www.aquilinestudios.org/avsfilters/dotcrawl.html)

I should investigate the best method to get rid of the remaining dot crawl - that should not be there, as the Pioneer HLD-X9 have a good comb filter... maybe I used the wrong settings, but I was sure a safe setting was better than an aggressive one... hope to solve all with a derainbow filter, or i should recap all with the 3D comb filter set higher or at max...

I'm a bit involved in (too many) other projects; I just wanted only to "refresh my mind" with other things... EFNY for example... but "I'LL BE BACK!" to this ASAP!

Here I am!

I tested all the methods found into the link Doctor M pointed me to (and several others); the next ones are from the same frame, processed with different scripts;

AnaloClean + MagicUp (best details, noticeable ghosting, much dot crawl)

HaloClean2 + MagicUp (good details, almost no ghosting, residual dot crawl)

HaloClean3 + MagicUp (poor details, almost no ghosting, no dot crawl)

I prefer HaloClean2; details are almost intact, and dot crawl often not shows up, and is barely noticeable only in few frames; it's the best compromise IMHO; AnaloClean has too much ghosting, while HaloClean3 loose too much details for my tastes.

Opinions are welcome.

No news is good news... so, I decided to go with HaloClean2 + MagicUp.

Now, I need only spanish and german subtitles (both for soundtracks and commentary), plus english commentary subtitle - not mandatory, but I really like to add them to the project; .sup will be preferred, but .srt will suffice.

First video processing to lossless version shall be finished tomorrow; I will post updates ASAP.

Because I have not it... (^^,) I got only a low-res version to sync the LD video to it, and for soundtracks sync works.

Chewtobacca said:

Oh, I thought you were using the BD earlier in the thread.  I'll see if I can find the commentary for you and upload it.

Sorry, I intended english commentary subtitle... fixed post now!

I'm having a hard time judging what is over filtering artifacts and what is actual animation.

Halo Clean 3 is definitely over scrubbed.  Halo Clean 2 produces jaggy edges.

I don't like them, but I'm afraid I'm out of advice.

"de gustibus non disputandum est"...