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Tobar was telling me earlier that Rick was an advocate for the OOT and would bug Lucas about it, which I did not know and can't really substantiate, but if it's true, I take back all the bad things I've said about him.

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How can people know these things, though, without them being made public knowledge? I am suitably wary and suspicious of anyone who claims "insider information".

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Easterhay said:

And yet didn't McCallum try to discourage Lucas from a totally CGI Jar Jar in TPM purely for monetary reasons?

IIRC, in the behind the scenes footage on the DVD, they mentioned having spent a huge amount trying to make a Jar Jar suit work, before ILM said they could pull it off digitally.

Ahmed Best still wore most of the suit to interact with the cast, and for benefit of the FX crew to blend the CGI elements in later.

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Tyrphanax said:

Tobar was telling me earlier that Rick was an advocate for the OOT and would bug Lucas about it, which I did not know and can't really substantiate, but if it's true, I take back all the bad things I've said about him.

I would suspect there are many OOT advocates within Lucasfilm, but who would want to risk getting fired over it?

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I know about the Jar Jar suit and what ILM said. What I was talking about, though, was McCallum's comments about saving money - I believe they're in the same documentary from which you took your other references.

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Easterhay said:

How can people know these things, though, without them being made public knowledge? I am suitably wary and suspicious of anyone who claims "insider information".

For the record, it's public knowledge, otherwise you are right, it would be hard to put much faith in claims like that. McCallum has been asked about the OOT, and what he has said is that he would be onboard for releasing it and raised the subject in the past but Lucas has strong feelings against that and so basically Lucas is the boss, so that was that. He's not the only one who has raised the subject within Lucasfilm, but Lucas' feelings on this are already well known so when he says no you basically drop the subject. People work for Lucas and not the other way around so there is only so many times you can bring up something you already know your boss doesn't like.

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Fair enough. As you say, he is the boss after all.

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Baronlando said:

From what I've heard, sales of any blu ray that isn't a new release have been shockingly low, and not getting significantly better. I don't see how that can continue for too long but I'd like to be wrong. Supposedly even always-reliable titles like Wizard of Oz and Godfather fell way, way below projections. 


Oz is out of print right now, and Warners is going to milk it for the 75th anniversary next year. Maybe somebody will find some lost footage by then.


Blu-ray players are super cheap now ($69 is not unusual) and will eventually replace DVD-only players altogether (why would anyone buy one now?)

DVD releases are also being subtly phased out as the studios trump their new blu-ray releases.

I think what's happening is just that people aren't replacing their old DVD editions with blu-rays, they're only buying titles on blu-ray that they don't already own on DVD. It's understandable, because in many cases the DVDs still look pretty good.

"OZ" had a pretty stellar DVD release several years back ('05?) which I think probably hurt sales for the recent DVD & Blu-ray release.

I doubt they'll find any more lost "OZ" footage, unfortunately, aside from what's already been released. In those days they were pretty thorough when it came to destroying stuff they felt was unneeded. But who knows....;-)

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From what I can tell, I don't think anyone is actually really against the OT getting released, except that point of view blog fruitcake and his little minion, the really zany one. 

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Always two there are?

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Mielr said:

 

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Baronlando said:

From what I've heard, sales of any blu ray that isn't a new release have been shockingly low, and not getting significantly better. I don't see how that can continue for too long but I'd like to be wrong. Supposedly even always-reliable titles like Wizard of Oz and Godfather fell way, way below projections. 


Oz is out of print right now, and Warners is going to milk it for the 75th anniversary next year. Maybe somebody will find some lost footage by then.


Blu-ray players are super cheap now ($69 is not unusual) and will eventually replace DVD-only players altogether (why would anyone buy one now?)

DVD releases are also being subtly phased out as the studios trump their new blu-ray releases.

I think what's happening is just that people aren't replacing their old DVD editions with blu-rays, they're only buying titles on blu-ray that they don't already own on DVD. It's understandable, because in many cases the DVDs still look pretty good.

"OZ" had a pretty stellar DVD release several years back ('05?) which I think probably hurt sales for the recent DVD & Blu-ray release.

I doubt they'll find any more lost "OZ" footage, unfortunately, aside from what's already been released. In those days they were pretty thorough when it came to destroying stuff they felt was unneeded. But who knows....;-)

 

Regular BR players may be, but the region free issue is way more complicated than it was on DVD and more pricey as well. 

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DVD was a once-in-a-lifetime home video revolution. It won't be repeated on blu-ray, and it won't be repeated on any next format, just like it wasn't repeating with VHS, Beta, or Laserdisc. The sales revolution that DVD brought was the idea of people buying movies. People tended to have relatively small collections of VHS tapes or Laserdiscs, and a lot of movies weren't even priced for the sell-through market, they were meant to be rented. When DVD came out, they made it a collectors market that targeted sell-through, and even regular people who only had 25 VHS tapes over the span of 15 years now amassed 150 DVDs in less than half that. The fact that there haven't been rental chains in the better part of a decade certainly helped this along.

Part of it because the picture/sound difference between DVD and VHS was huge, part of it was because the idea of special features was new and exciting and part of it was because the availability and afforability created a new mentality where people owned and watched every movie they liked. That's not being repeated with Blu-ray; the picture quality is not the same step up (even though it is in resolution), and there isn't sufficient reason to buy for special features if you already own the DVD special editions. So, they are content with their DVDs and aren't rushing out to build a huge blu-ray library, let alone replace their old one.

The DVD market is fading away rapidly, so I feel like nowadays if people buy a new movie or a movie they don't already have they are more inclined to get the blu-ray, which now often come bundled with the DVD version anyway. But because people already collected hundreds of DVDs building up a library, they aren't going to replace all that. It's easy to replace 50% of your 32 VHS tapes, but much harder to replace 50% of your 132 DVDs.

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zombie84 said:

DVD was a once-in-a-lifetime home video revolution. It won't be repeated on blu-ray, and it won't be repeated on any next format, just like it wasn't repeating with VHS, Beta, or Laserdisc. The sales revolution that DVD brought was the idea of people buying movies. People tended to have relatively small collections of VHS tapes or Laserdiscs, and a lot of movies weren't even priced for the sell-through market, they were meant to be rented. When DVD came out, they made it a collectors market that targeted sell-through, and even regular people who only had 25 VHS tapes over the span of 15 years now amassed 150 DVDs in less than half that. The fact that there haven't been rental chains in the better part of a decade certainly helped this along.

Part of it because the picture/sound difference between DVD and VHS was huge, part of it was because the idea of special features was new and exciting and part of it was because the availability and afforability created a new mentality where people owned and watched every movie they liked. That's not being repeated with Blu-ray; the picture quality is not the same step up (even though it is in resolution), and there isn't sufficient reason to buy for special features if you already own the DVD special editions. So, they are content with their DVDs and aren't rushing out to build a huge blu-ray library, let alone replace their old one.

The DVD market is fading away rapidly, so I feel like nowadays if people buy a new movie or a movie they don't already have they are more inclined to get the blu-ray, which now often come bundled with the DVD version anyway. But because people already collected hundreds of DVDs building up a library, they aren't going to replace all that. It's easy to replace 50% of your 32 VHS tapes, but much harder to replace 50% of your 132 DVDs.

Also, don't forget that many people simply don't own HDTVs (yet).

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I thought it was hilarious when during the HD-DVD / Blu-Ray "war", people were saying, "Which format will porn choose?" Those people completely neglected two things:

1. Porn choosing VHS in the 80s mattered because you couldn't stream porn with two clicks of a button on your computer.

2. Because of said ease of availability of porn on the web, only morons buy porn in the present day.

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georgec said:

I thought it was hilarious when during the HD-DVD / Blu-Ray "war", people were saying, "Which format will porn choose?" Those people completely neglected two things:

1. Porn choosing VHS in the 80s mattered because you couldn't stream porn with two clicks of a button on your computer.

2. Because of said ease of availability of porn on the web, only morons buy porn in the present day.

 

Hypothetically speaking of course, not that I would ever do such a thing mind you, but if I were inclined to do such a thing, which two clicks do I hit exactly?  :)

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Find the file "system32" in your Windows directory.

1. Right click said file.

2. Click on "delete".

The porn will start flowing!

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georgec said:

I thought it was hilarious when during the HD-DVD / Blu-Ray "war", people were saying, "Which format will porn choose?" Those people completely neglected two things:

1. Porn choosing VHS in the 80s mattered because you couldn't stream porn with two clicks of a button on your computer.

2. Because of said ease of availability of porn on the web, only morons buy porn in the present day.

My local Fry's has an entire aisle dedicated to morons then. ;)

Speaking of porn, does anyone think Disney will go after the company that made that SW porno that came out this year?

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zombie84 said:

DVD was a once-in-a-lifetime home video revolution. It won't be repeated on blu-ray, and it won't be repeated on any next format, just like it wasn't repeating with VHS, Beta, or Laserdisc. The sales revolution that DVD brought was the idea of people buying movies. People tended to have relatively small collections of VHS tapes or Laserdiscs, and a lot of movies weren't even priced for the sell-through market, they were meant to be rented. When DVD came out, they made it a collectors market that targeted sell-through, and even regular people who only had 25 VHS tapes over the span of 15 years now amassed 150 DVDs in less than half that. The fact that there haven't been rental chains in the better part of a decade certainly helped this along.

Part of it because the picture/sound difference between DVD and VHS was huge, part of it was because the idea of special features was new and exciting and part of it was because the availability and afforability created a new mentality where people owned and watched every movie they liked. That's not being repeated with Blu-ray; the picture quality is not the same step up (even though it is in resolution), and there isn't sufficient reason to buy for special features if you already own the DVD special editions. So, they are content with their DVDs and aren't rushing out to build a huge blu-ray library, let alone replace their old one.

The DVD market is fading away rapidly, so I feel like nowadays if people buy a new movie or a movie they don't already have they are more inclined to get the blu-ray, which now often come bundled with the DVD version anyway. But because people already collected hundreds of DVDs building up a library, they aren't going to replace all that. It's easy to replace 50% of your 32 VHS tapes, but much harder to replace 50% of your 132 DVDs.

So, the three Blockbusters all within 30 minutes of my house are illusions? Hollywood video seems to be defunct though. I used to boggle at one less that fifty feet away from a Blockbuster store.

DVD stole every good idea from Laserdisc of course. ;)

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You must live in the United States pf Blockbuster Video.

But seriously, the last time Blockbuster mattered was 2004. The company has been effectively dismantled since 2008 or so. You must have some of the last locations in the world near you, and they haven't been a force in the undustry for a good 6 or 7 years.

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zombie84 said:

DVD was a once-in-a-lifetime home video revolution. It won't be repeated on blu-ray, and it won't be repeated on any next format, just like it wasn't repeating with VHS, Beta, or Laserdisc. The sales revolution that DVD brought was the idea of people buying movies. People tended to have relatively small collections of VHS tapes or Laserdiscs, and a lot of movies weren't even priced for the sell-through market, they were meant to be rented. When DVD came out, they made it a collectors market that targeted sell-through, and even regular people who only had 25 VHS tapes over the span of 15 years now amassed 150 DVDs in less than half that. The fact that there haven't been rental chains in the better part of a decade certainly helped this along.

Part of it because the picture/sound difference between DVD and VHS was huge, part of it was because the idea of special features was new and exciting and part of it was because the availability and afforability created a new mentality where people owned and watched every movie they liked. That's not being repeated with Blu-ray; the picture quality is not the same step up (even though it is in resolution), and there isn't sufficient reason to buy for special features if you already own the DVD special editions. So, they are content with their DVDs and aren't rushing out to build a huge blu-ray library, let alone replace their old one.

The DVD market is fading away rapidly, so I feel like nowadays if people buy a new movie or a movie they don't already have they are more inclined to get the blu-ray, which now often come bundled with the DVD version anyway. But because people already collected hundreds of DVDs building up a library, they aren't going to replace all that. It's easy to replace 50% of your 32 VHS tapes, but much harder to replace 50% of your 132 DVDs.

Also, don't forget that many people simply don't own HDTVs (yet).

True, sort of, increasingly most people do, since non-HDTV's haven't been made since about 2007, and since new HDTVs cost less than non-HDTVs ten years ago, this is an increasingly slim, slim minority. In fact, I don't know a single friend that owns a CRT SD TV as their main set, and most my friends are students under the poverty line in Canada. Hell, I make less than $20,000 a year. Which technically makes me poor. And if I can easily afford an HD LED monitor in 2012, which costs less than $200, which is probably what I spend on beer in two months...well, who the hell can't? No, seriously. Non-HDTVS have not been manufactured for a good five or six years. It's amazing to live in this time, when you can get an HD, high quality LED monitor for $180. Twenty years ago people were spending that much on gold-plated cable connectors....

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zombie84 said:

You must live in the United States pf Blockbuster Video.

But seriously, the last time Blockbuster mattered was 2004. The company has been effectively dismantled since 2008 or so.

It seems so. I'm sure location and demographics have something to do with it. (The major indie video rental place in the area is also a record shop.)

I've heard some video stores are still rocking with VHS in predominately senior communities. I imagine the new release section is a tad thin?

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VHS tapes stopped worldwide production in...2009? A few years ago anyway. They actually aren't manufacturing VHS magnetic tape for a few years now, anywhere on the planet, and it was a specialty genre since 2004 or so. Even Episode III was never released on VHS in the western world, and Episode II's VHS release was partly lip service to the medium...

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I wanted to shed a tear when I saw VHS blanks on clearance at my local Walgreen's recently, but then I remembered all the good times in college, when hours of work in the edit bay was ruined by a flaky cassette. ;)

Modern VHS tapes are also useless for repairing an old damaged cassette. They have heat welds instead of screws.

VHS did cling to life a little bit longer in Korea...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moreska/6530843017/in/set-72157629554410759

What really bakes my noodle is there's still a market in Asia for VCD. Tempted to get all the SW movies on them sometimes.

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zombie84 said:

Even Episode III was never released on VHS in the western world, and Episode II's VHS release was partly lip service to the medium...

It was but only in very few countries.

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