borisanddoris said:
I'm dying to get the digital 80 and 83 mix for Empire and Jedi too if anyone has just those. Synced to GOUT of course...
I have them from the set schorman13 put out not too long ago.
Unfortunately, they're not GOUT-sync'd.
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How out of sync are they? Are they just the LaserDisc sides, or is it a matter of applying a delay when muxing, say to Harmy's DE?
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borisanddoris said:
How out of sync are they? Are they just the LaserDisc sides, or is it a matter of applying a delay when muxing, say to Harmy's DE?
Beats me. I could GOUT-sync them if I had the video to go along with the audio. I'd do it Harmy-style.
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No one preserved the video it would have had Japanese subtitles stepping all over the picture but as a sync guide i guess it would have some use.
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skyjedi2005 said:
No one preserved the video it would have had Japanese subtitles stepping all over the picture but as a sync guide i guess it would have some use.
I know about the subtitles in the video.
I'm saying that I could GOUT-sync the audio by GOUT-sync'ing the video and then getting rid of the video, leaving only the GOUT-sync'd audio remaining.
Cuts and blank frames added to the video would show up as (impossible to notice) cuts and silence in the audio, respectively.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
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Teeceezy has reported to be almost done with ESB, and maybe also almost done with ROTJ synced to NTSC (not PAL?). I imagine he'll be making something available soon.
CatBus said:
Teeceezy has reported to be almost done with ESB, and maybe also almost done with ROTJ synced to NTSC (not PAL?). I imagine he'll be making something available soon.
Interesting. How is he GOUT-sync'ing them?
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
That I'm not sure about. He should respond soon enough if we keep taking his name in vain though.
CatBus said:
That I'm not sure about. He should respond soon enough if we keep taking his name in vain though.
lol
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
I figured most final audio releases would be synced to GOUT as a standard, unless it's a SE or fan edit project.
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They're just raw Laserdisc sides. AFAIK, the original archive contains only four GOUT synced tracks--SW 77 digital stereo, and the three commentary tracks. It's also worth noting that I believe the archive syncs to a very odd GOUT-ish standard for ROTJ: a hybrid PAL/NTSC framecount that includes all frames from both versions. It's only off by one frame from PAL though, and for commentary that's more than close enough.
borisanddoris said:
How out of sync are they? Are they just the LaserDisc sides, or is it a matter of applying a delay when muxing, say to Harmy's DE?
There are gaps every mid-reel with lots of missing frames on all the pre-THX transfers of the trilogy (with the exception of SWE - Technidisc) so there's quite much work involved gettin them in sync with the GOUT transfers which are more or less complete frame wise. Darth_Mallwalker posted a great documentation to usenet some time ago on the ESB LD's he checked, great reference material for audio syncing.
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Yeah I'll happily confirm mysycamore's point about missing frames. I have been using ACID, and going through the whole film matching waveforms of the laserdisc rips against the 80 and 93 mixes contained in both DJ v3 and Despecialized Edition 1.0. Where waveforms don't match up is where frames are missing. I resync these parts then crossfade/patch the gaps. This is why it is not entirely ready, as some of the patches I am really not happy with.
Okay so I am getting near happy enough to put out a test version of this. I will upload it to a dead drop spot, where it will be for two weeks, and can send a link and password to any who are interested. If you would like to have a copy and send me some feedback, pm me.
So far so good. Synced it with the DE and it's a real treat. To my ears, the 1993 mix is still the best sounding, but this is great, if not a tad bright. I'm not too familiar with the subtleties of the Empire mixes, so I can't compare with any great knowledge.
By the way, one this is considered done, let me know and I can encode a DTS-HD file, which is what I did to test.
I'm looking forward to Jedi for sure!
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Sounds great. Found 1 definite and 2 possible glitches (reported to Teeceezy already), but that's very minor. The next release should be a keeper! (I for one plan to throw out my previous 1980 stereo LD sync and wholesale replace with this one)
Just to update, the final release of this will likely be packed in a synced collection of the theatrical, 85, 93 and commentary mixes for each film in the OT. After enacting the changes suggested by CatBus, I am fairly happy with the theatrical mix of ESB, and will be moving on to ROTJ. Out of curiosity are there any mixes of the PAL GOUT for ROTJ floating around? Despite being in a PAL territory, my GOUT DVDs are NTSC not PAL, so I don't have the PAL ROTJ mix, which I imagine is the best reference for syncing to PAL ROTJ-based projects.
I made a PAL ROTJ-synced 1983 LD track, but frankly I wouldn't trust it to be anything but a rough guide--my work is a little on the amateur side. Oh, and I made a PAL-adjusted 5.1 track based on hairy_hen's. That might be better, as the amateur stuff is limited to the frames I edited.
EDIT: Also, I believe Laserschwert found that the official ROTJ PAL track had been re-ADR'd, so the sound effects lined up perfectly with NTSC once you made the frames match, but the dialogue drifted slightly in and out of sync. Weird. I don't think there's any need to re-create that.
Hmm. All that I really need is a basic waveform reference that is in sync with the PAL video. If either of your mixes are a reliable sync, then I would be more than happy if I could use those as a reference.
Can someone just take the pal rotj sound, slow it down to 23.98 fps and use that as a reference?
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My 2.0 sync varies probably more than you'd like, and the PAL ROTJ sync slowed down will (I think) vary from NTSC sources on the dialogue due to the different ADR.
Your best bet on a reference AFAIK is my 5.1 hairy_hen remix, most of the sync is very reliable (because I didn't do it!), except for the <1 second of audio that I put in, which may vary by a few ms either way. But that <1 second is probably what you're looking for...
If you want it, PM me and I can deliver it in AC3 format. The trick is you'd have to downmix it to stereo, and that may cause its own complications.
Honestly you'd probably get the best results by using an NTSC sync (which you presumably already have) and adding/deleting the frames yourself. Or you could release it synced to NTSC (w/ perfect sync) and let others make PAL-framecount-synced versions (with looser quality control).
There's different ADR in PAL regions? I find that hard to believe.
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Mavimao said:
There's different ADR in PAL regions? I find that hard to believe.
I haven't verified this myself. But I believe if you check Laserschwert's German preservation thread, you'll find mention of it. Maybe it's only for Star Wars, not the whole trilogy.
If we're talking about dubbed versions then that is a whole different story! When a film is being dubbed ALL of the foley has to be redone from scratch since they can't use the on location sound due to dialogue.
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Mavimao said:
If we're talking about dubbed versions then that is a whole different story! When a film is being dubbed ALL of the foley has to be redone from scratch since they can't use the on location sound due to dialogue.
I'll try to find the link--he was talking about the English version (German isn't available on NTSC discs)
I agree it'd be dumb to re-ADR everything. But that doesn't mean it wasn't done...