Did anybody see Wall-E?

the last few pixar movies been pretty hit and miss for me..

monsters inc-miss, finding nemo-miss, incredibles - hit,

cars - HUGE HIT, ratatouille- miss............and now this.......   wall-e.....

it's the first pixar movie that made me ambivalent............it wasn't bad...

but it wasn't very good either...the story was a complete bore, there

was not motivation for anything that happened, and the graphics were average....

no pixar slipped up, and the public (not that i care) also seems to think so,

have you seen the ratings/reviews/box office? hardly a dent..................and

the long term implications don't looks so great either........

i like the trailers, i like robots, and it looked promisingl......................however,

finally seeing what seems like robot-romance-environment-saving-plot was

boring me to tears............................not one bit of humor, action, or anything

worthwhile to make it special........

pixar needs to go back to the drawing boards.........bring on cars 2, toy story 3, and incredibles 2..

i'm waiting......

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Toy Story 3, I believe, is coming. I, my wife, and kids (4,7) all enjoyed Wall-E.

ChainsawAsh said:

negative1 said:

the last few pixar movies been pretty hit and miss for me..

monsters inc-miss, finding nemo-miss, incredibles - hit,

cars - HUGE HIT, ratatouille- miss............and now this.......   wall-e.....

it's the first pixar movie that made me ambivalent............

You didn't like Nemo or Ratatouille, but you liked Cars?  Seriously?  Cars was ... well ... pretty awful in my opinion, I honestly don't get what people like about it, at all.

I will agree on Monsters and Incredibles - I never cared much for the former, and The Incredibles was ... well ... damn good (ha! And you thought I was going to use a pun).

But back to my original question(s):

What about "Nemo" did you dislike, and what about "Cars" actually worked for you?  Just curious really.

i should start out with by saying 'toy story' is one of my all time favorite movies, right up there with 'star wars', gasp!

some background

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i've always liked/been interested in computer graphics, since the 70's....and later....especially 'tron' another HUGE favorite of mine...

i waited for the day that movies would be made using computer graphics only...................and 'toy story' blew me away....the story,

the graphics, etc.....(the 2nd toy story was ok..)...and bugs life was terrible..(same with antz...thats another story though)....

anyways, back to the thread...........so i followed each and every cg movie that came out, with the results i mentioned above,

but something happened.......(especially by the time the horrible 'shrek' came out)................the movies were no longer impressive,

the visuals were done by everyone and their brother, and then something about a 'story' came into play, plot, characters, etc...

so i waited until a movie would come out again that had cool graphics, and a decent plot..........not until the 'incredibles' did that happen..

but unlike the other disney-esque stories that were out there..............this one had an adult feel to it...................................

something that none of the movies , except 'cars' had...............ok, i admit, i'm a HUGE fan of cars, racing cars, nascar, driving cars, etc...

so i had a huge bias to that, along with seeing the previews...............'cars' is probably the penultimate movie, approaching 'toy story'

like mythic properties to me......the graphics/story/humor, everything just 'clicked'..........................'nemo' on the other, while visually

appealing, fell flat in everything else.................the main character, and supporting cast bored me (especially 'ellen's character), the humor was dull, the

audience purely aimed at kids, no suspense, no drama, and nothing memorable to me..........so i pretty much ignored it.

by the way, i have seen each and every one of these in the theaters, and am not comparing them at home, which i guess is a totally

different experience..

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negative1 said:

the last few pixar movies been pretty hit and miss for me..

monsters inc-miss, finding nemo-miss, incredibles - hit,

cars - HUGE HIT, ratatouille- miss............and now this.......   wall-e.....

it's the first pixar movie that made me ambivalent............it wasn't bad...

but it wasn't very good either...the story was a complete bore, there

was not motivation for anything that happened, and the graphics were average....

 

no pixar slipped up, and the public (not that i care) also seems to think so,

have you seen the ratings/reviews/box office? hardly a dent..................and

the long term implications don't looks so great either........

Um, really, because aside from Ratatouille, every single Pixar movie mentioned has done $60+ million on opening weekend.  Wall-E has the largest budget of the three, but it's only $20 million away from being paid for.  It seems that the two biggest things that are killing Wall-E's box office are Hancock and Hellboy 2.  I'm sure Batman will utterly destroy it this weekend.  I think we're really going to have to wait for the home video market to decide if Wall-E has been a flop or not.

On that note, my wife and I both loved it.  My son wouldn't sit still long enough to watch it, but he doesn't sit still for anything except "Ni-hao, Kai-lan", so that's not a very good indication either (he's not quite 2 yet).  I thought it was a lot of fun and I thought they did a great job with the robots.

Of all the Pixar movies you mentioned, Ratatouille probably scores lowest on my list, but I still liked it.  I've loved every Pixar movie I've seen and I now make it a point to see them just because they're from Pixar.  Aside from A Bug's Life and Ratatouille, I own every single movie Pixar has made.  Hell, I think I've seen Finding Nemo nearly a hundred times and I still love it.  My son loves Cars, but he also really loves cars (toy cars).

i think i've watched cars at least 10 times by now..

i don't think i'll ever get tired of it..(that , and toy story.....incredibles is good for a few viewings)..

if i never saw another pixar movie again, i wouldn't be that sad.

they need to get their act together...

i liked the 'robots' movie way more than wall-e............

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IT WAS A FUN MOVIE, AND THERE WAS MOTIVATION FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THAT MOVIE.  WALL*E'S MOTIVATION WAS HIS LOVE OF THE EVE.  EVE'S MOTIVATION WAS HER MISSION.  THE CAPTAIN'S MOTIVATION WAS EARTH.  AUTO'S MOTIVATION WAS KEEPING THE HUMANS AWAY FROM EARTH.  THE WHOLE PLOT OF THE MOVIE WAS THE REBUILDING OF EARTH.  DAMN, EVEN MY KIDS UNDERSTOOD THAT. 

OH, AND NOT ONLY WAS ROBOTS HORRIBLE, BUT IT WAS ALSO A BOX OFFICE FLOP.  IT DIDN'T EVEN MAKE ANY REAL MONEY ON VIDEO OR DVD.  

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

IT WAS A FUN MOVIE, AND THERE WAS MOTIVATION FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THAT MOVIE.  WALL*E'S MOTIVATION WAS HIS LOVE OF THE EVE.  EVE'S MOTIVATION WAS HER MISSION.  THE CAPTAIN'S MOTIVATION WAS EARTH.  AUTO'S MOTIVATION WAS KEEPING THE HUMANS AWAY FROM EARTH.  THE WHOLE PLOT OF THE MOVIE WAS THE REBUILDING OF EARTH.  DAMN, EVEN MY KIDS UNDERSTOOD THAT. 

 

OH, AND NOT ONLY WAS ROBOTS HORRIBLE, BUT IT WAS ALSO A BOX OFFICE FLOP.  IT DIDN'T EVEN MAKE ANY REAL MONEY ON VIDEO OR DVD.  

 1) ROBOTS DONT  FEEL 'LOVE" DUH

2) the captain never wanted to go back to earth, since the other robots were preventing them

3) EVES mission was a coverup

4) AUTO didn't have a 'motivation' , it was just programming...........robots dont have 'motivation', it's programming

5) the plot was never about rebuilding earth, it was about RECYLING JUNK, which is the most boring plot point ever....

I hope your kids get a better education in school, than this movie...

for your information : box office wise, for 'robots',

The film was released March 11, 2005 in the United States and Canada and grossed $36 million in 3,776 theaters its opening weekend, ranking #1 at the box office.

It grossed a total of $260.7 million worldwide — $128.2 million in the United States and Canada and $132.5 million in other territories.

for wall-e,

Walt Disney Pictures released it in the United States and Canada on June 27, 2008. The film grossed $23.1 million on its opening day, and $63 million during its opening weekend in 3,992 theaters

made more in its opening weekend, but is one of the POOREST performing movies for pixar....yeah, let's wait and see, and

yeah it will make back its budget ($180 million), but how much more????????????????????????????????????

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I thought wall E was an awesome film and was right on target quality wise for pixar.

It was nice to see Ben Burtt work on another film than star wars.

The director of wall E next project is based on the John Carter of mars series, they better get it right.  A Princess Of Mars is one of my all time favorite space fantasy novels, and frazetta's paintings brought them pretty well to life.  Too bad if they take out all the nudity, sex, and violence i don't want to see it.

Since it is disney and from being a purist as a burroughs fan seeing the abomination that was the animated tarzan i cannot get my hopes up.

negative1 said:

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

IT WAS A FUN MOVIE, AND THERE WAS MOTIVATION FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THAT MOVIE.  WALL*E'S MOTIVATION WAS HIS LOVE OF THE EVE.  EVE'S MOTIVATION WAS HER MISSION.  THE CAPTAIN'S MOTIVATION WAS EARTH.  AUTO'S MOTIVATION WAS KEEPING THE HUMANS AWAY FROM EARTH.  THE WHOLE PLOT OF THE MOVIE WAS THE REBUILDING OF EARTH.  DAMN, EVEN MY KIDS UNDERSTOOD THAT. 

 

OH, AND NOT ONLY WAS ROBOTS HORRIBLE, BUT IT WAS ALSO A BOX OFFICE FLOP.  IT DIDN'T EVEN MAKE ANY REAL MONEY ON VIDEO OR DVD.  

 1) ROBOTS DONT  FEEL 'LOVE" DUH

2) the captain never wanted to go back to earth, since the other robots were preventing them

3) EVES mission was a coverup

4) AUTO didn't have a 'motivation' , it was just programming...........robots dont have 'motivation', it's programming

5) the plot was never about rebuilding earth, it was about RECYLING JUNK, which is the most boring plot point ever....

 

I hope your kids get a better education in school, than this movie...

for your information : box office wise, for 'robots',

The film was released March 11, 2005 in the United States and Canada and grossed $36 million in 3,776 theaters its opening weekend, ranking #1 at the box office.

It grossed a total of $260.7 million worldwide — $128.2 million in the United States and Canada and $132.5 million in other territories.

for wall-e,

Walt Disney Pictures released it in the United States and Canada on June 27, 2008. The film grossed $23.1 million on its opening day, and $63 million during its opening weekend in 3,992 theaters

made more in its opening weekend, but is one of the POOREST performing movies for pixar....yeah, let's wait and see, and

yeah it will make back its budget ($180 million), but how much more????????????????????????????????????

 

later

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YOU REALLY DO LIVE UP TO YOUR SCREEN NAMESAKE.  FIRST OFF THOSE NUMBERS INCLUDE THE DVD AND VHS SALES.  $128.2 MILLION U.S. FELL SHORT OF WHAT THEY WANTED.  IT'S OKAY, BUT IT STILL COUNTS AS A FLOP.  WAS THERE A SEQUEL?  NO, AND THAT MEANS THAT IT DIDN'T MEET STUDIO EXPECTATIONS.

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

negative1 said:

 

I hope your kids get a better education in school, than this movie...

for your information : box office wise, for 'robots',

The film was released March 11, 2005 in the United States and Canada and grossed $36 million in 3,776 theaters its opening weekend, ranking #1 at the box office.

It grossed a total of $260.7 million worldwide — $128.2 million in the United States and Canada and $132.5 million in other territories.

for wall-e,

Walt Disney Pictures released it in the United States and Canada on June 27, 2008. The film grossed $23.1 million on its opening day, and $63 million during its opening weekend in 3,992 theaters

made more in its opening weekend, but is one of the POOREST performing movies for pixar....yeah, let's wait and see, and

yeah it will make back its budget ($180 million), but how much more????????????????????????????????????

 

later

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FIRST OFF THOSE NUMBERS INCLUDE THE DVD AND VHS SALES.  $128.2 MILLION U.S. FELL SHORT OF WHAT THEY WANTED.  IT'S OKAY, BUT IT STILL COUNTS AS A FLOP.  WAS THERE A SEQUEL?  NO, AND THAT MEANS THAT IT DIDN'T MEET STUDIO EXPECTATIONS.

    excuse me,

   do you need further proof? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=robots.htm please learn how to do 'research'..........................

  THOSE ARE BOX OFFICE NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they DO NOT INCLUDE VHS or DVD sales, or they would be even higher..

  and furthermore, if you bother to click on the link... notice this part ?  Production Budget: $75 million

yeah, that's right, it made back way more than its budget...

i don't know which universe you live in, that's a huge HIT.......................................

'robots' is the move that Wall-E wishes it could have been............................

pixar LOSES, do you get it now?

Wall-e has disappointed all pixar fans, and is performing as one of the WORST releases they ever have.....

gee, do you think they'll make a sequel for it too?

how do you like this happy quote for the weekend.

Sixth spot goes to Pixar's WALL-E, as the computer animated kids flick got competition from not only Batman, but also Space Chimps this weekend. WALL-E earned $9.8 million and falls 48% compared to last weekend. WALL-E has seen some of the biggest drops in Pixar history, and has a current total so far of $182.5 million.

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10818&cmin=10&columnpage=3

LOOKS LIKE 'WALL-E' is the movie that is going to be the HUGE FLOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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negative1 said:

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

negative1 said:

 

I hope your kids get a better education in school, than this movie...

for your information : box office wise, for 'robots',

The film was released March 11, 2005 in the United States and Canada and grossed $36 million in 3,776 theaters its opening weekend, ranking #1 at the box office.

It grossed a total of $260.7 million worldwide — $128.2 million in the United States and Canada and $132.5 million in other territories.

for wall-e,

Walt Disney Pictures released it in the United States and Canada on June 27, 2008. The film grossed $23.1 million on its opening day, and $63 million during its opening weekend in 3,992 theaters

made more in its opening weekend, but is one of the POOREST performing movies for pixar....yeah, let's wait and see, and

yeah it will make back its budget ($180 million), but how much more????????????????????????????????????

 

later

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FIRST OFF THOSE NUMBERS INCLUDE THE DVD AND VHS SALES.  $128.2 MILLION U.S. FELL SHORT OF WHAT THEY WANTED.  IT'S OKAY, BUT IT STILL COUNTS AS A FLOP.  WAS THERE A SEQUEL?  NO, AND THAT MEANS THAT IT DIDN'T MEET STUDIO EXPECTATIONS.

 

    excuse me,

   do you need further proof? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=robots.htm please learn how to do 'research'..........................

  THOSE ARE BOX OFFICE NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they DO NOT INCLUDE VHS or DVD sales, or they would be even higher..

  and furthermore, if you bother to click on the link... notice this part ?  Production Budget: $75 million

yeah, that's right, it made back way more than its budget...

i don't know which universe you live in, that's a huge HIT.......................................

'robots' is the move that Wall-E wishes it could have been............................

pixar LOSES, do you get it now?

Wall-e has disappointed all pixar fans, and is performing as one of the WORST releases they ever have.....

gee, do you think they'll make a sequel for it too?

how do you like this happy quote for the weekend.

Sixth spot goes to Pixar's WALL-E, as the computer animated kids flick got competition from not only Batman, but also Space Chimps this weekend. WALL-E earned $9.8 million and falls 48% compared to last weekend. WALL-E has seen some of the biggest drops in Pixar history, and has a current total so far of $182.5 million.

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10818&cmin=10&columnpage=3

LOOKS LIKE 'WALL-E' is the movie that is going to be the HUGE FLOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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BOX OFFICE ALWAYS INCLUDES VHS AND DVD SALES AFTER THE FILM HAS BEEN RELEASED ON THOSE FORMATS.  I MANAGED A VIDEO STORE FOR THREE YEARS.  I KNOW HOW THE NUMBERS WORK.  THE FACT THAT WALL*E IS STILL MAKING MONEY AT THE BOX OFFICE IS A REALLY GOOD SIGN FOR THE FILM.  

negative1 said:

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

negative1 said:

 

I hope your kids get a better education in school, than this movie...

for your information : box office wise, for 'robots',

The film was released March 11, 2005 in the United States and Canada and grossed $36 million in 3,776 theaters its opening weekend, ranking #1 at the box office.

It grossed a total of $260.7 million worldwide — $128.2 million in the United States and Canada and $132.5 million in other territories.

for wall-e,

Walt Disney Pictures released it in the United States and Canada on June 27, 2008. The film grossed $23.1 million on its opening day, and $63 million during its opening weekend in 3,992 theaters

made more in its opening weekend, but is one of the POOREST performing movies for pixar....yeah, let's wait and see, and

yeah it will make back its budget ($180 million), but how much more????????????????????????????????????

 

later

-1

 

 

FIRST OFF THOSE NUMBERS INCLUDE THE DVD AND VHS SALES.  $128.2 MILLION U.S. FELL SHORT OF WHAT THEY WANTED.  IT'S OKAY, BUT IT STILL COUNTS AS A FLOP.  WAS THERE A SEQUEL?  NO, AND THAT MEANS THAT IT DIDN'T MEET STUDIO EXPECTATIONS.

 

    excuse me,

   do you need further proof? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=robots.htm please learn how to do 'research'..........................

  THOSE ARE BOX OFFICE NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they DO NOT INCLUDE VHS or DVD sales, or they would be even higher..

  and furthermore, if you bother to click on the link... notice this part ?  Production Budget: $75 million

yeah, that's right, it made back way more than its budget...

i don't know which universe you live in, that's a huge HIT.......................................

'robots' is the move that Wall-E wishes it could have been............................

pixar LOSES, do you get it now?

Wall-e has disappointed all pixar fans, and is performing as one of the WORST releases they ever have.....

gee, do you think they'll make a sequel for it too?

how do you like this happy quote for the weekend.

Sixth spot goes to Pixar's WALL-E, as the computer animated kids flick got competition from not only Batman, but also Space Chimps this weekend. WALL-E earned $9.8 million and falls 48% compared to last weekend. WALL-E has seen some of the biggest drops in Pixar history, and has a current total so far of $182.5 million.

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10818&cmin=10&columnpage=3

LOOKS LIKE 'WALL-E' is the movie that is going to be the HUGE FLOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Uh, even though I started the discussion about the box office, I don't care about box office numbers one bit.  Actually, the only reason I mentioned it is because you said it was getting negative reviews all over the place and was looking to become a flop.  I've read one bad review about Wall-E and that was from Kurt Loder.  To bad he's a has been.

Anyway, Robots, to me, was boring as hell.

As far as Wall-E goes, maybe you didn't catch the reference to HAL in Wall-E.  Yeah, the robot was following orders, but with evidence to the contrary (the plant) he was unwilling to change his mind (there was no possible way for him to get another order from the President since he was dead), just like HAL.  How was EVE's mission a coverup?  She was sent to earth as a probe to look for any sign of life.  She found the plant that Wall-E had already picked up earlier.  That one plant was all that was needed for the return to Earth.  The Captain didn't seem to care about returning to Earth or not until they found the plant.  The plant was the signal that it was time to come home.

I saw the return to Earth as being a form of redemption for the humans.  Instead of sitting around all day being completely attended too, they'd now develop some sense of accomplishment by being forced to do things on their own.  And with the huge cleanup at hand, they'd have a much greater sense of responsibility to the planet.

Yeah, recycling was a huge, over the top point of the movie, but so what?  You say robots don't have emotion, yet we saw plenty of "emotion" in Star Wars and I don't hear anybody bitching about that.  The whole point of Wall-E was that a robot had developed something after years of doing the same thing every day.  That robot then wanted a companion that he could share his thoughts with.  Hence all the things he did for EVE even after she closed up upon finding the plant.

It's worth noting that Robots had pretty significant drops at the box office every week after it's first week too.  And that was with a horror movie and then a comedy being released the first two weeks after it came out.  It managed to pay for itself in 3 weeks instead of Wall-E's 4, but let's wait and see how Wall-E does in the home video market (everything got clobbered this weekend by Batman).  Wall-E managed a fairly respectable $10 million weekend, considering that Batman, Hellboy II, and Space Chimps were all out (Space Chimps did worse than Wall-E and this is its opening weekend).

And damn DAVY, did the font size change around here or does it look like you're yelling louder than usual?  I had to scroll past all your posts just now since it really seems like you're yelling.  Oh well.

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

negative1 said:

 

    excuse me,

   do you need further proof? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=robots.htm please learn how to do 'research'..........................

  THOSE ARE BOX OFFICE NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they DO NOT INCLUDE VHS or DVD sales, or they would be even higher..

  and furthermore, if you bother to click on the link... notice this part ?  Production Budget: $75 million

yeah, that's right, it made back way more than its budget...

i don't know which universe you live in, that's a huge HIT.......................................

'robots' is the move that Wall-E wishes it could have been............................

pixar LOSES, do you get it now?

Wall-e has disappointed all pixar fans, and is performing as one of the WORST releases they ever have.....

gee, do you think they'll make a sequel for it too?

how do you like this happy quote for the weekend.

Sixth spot goes to Pixar's WALL-E, as the computer animated kids flick got competition from not only Batman, but also Space Chimps this weekend. WALL-E earned $9.8 million and falls 48% compared to last weekend. WALL-E has seen some of the biggest drops in Pixar history, and has a current total so far of $182.5 million.

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10818&cmin=10&columnpage=3

LOOKS LIKE 'WALL-E' is the movie that is going to be the HUGE FLOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

later

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BOX OFFICE ALWAYS INCLUDES VHS AND DVD SALES AFTER THE FILM HAS BEEN RELEASED ON THOSE FORMATS.  I MANAGED A VIDEO STORE FOR THREE YEARS.  I KNOW HOW THE NUMBERS WORK.  THE FACT THAT WALL*E IS STILL MAKING MONEY AT THE BOX OFFICE IS A REALLY GOOD SIGN FOR THE FILM.

pyscho_davy,

please stop, you are just making yourself look worse everytime you say something, STOP digging a hole:

working at a video store , while fun, does not make you an expert in anything, and you still won't admit

that ROBOTS was a huge HIT compared to the flop that is CRAP-E, i mean WALL-E is,

see for yourself

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DO YOU GET IT NOW !   Home entertainment sales and rentals are not included in the "BOX OFFICE" numbers. period. Don't even try to deny it.

by the way, i don't know if I included IMAX figures also, as seeing ROBOTS in IMAX blows away anything WALL-E could ever do..

(and if you want back up confirmation , look here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358082/business

so anyway, are now admitting that even though wall-e hasn't even made back its money,

the fact its still in the theaters is a good thing????  what is that supposed to mean,

all the other PIXAR movies made way more, and were doing much better...

please stop trying to make this movie into a 'hit', so you can justify liking it...

i don't care if you do or not.............but don't make it seem like its doing better than it is..

just admit it..

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lordjedi said:

 

 

Uh, even though I started the discussion about the box office, I don't care about box office numbers one bit.  Actually, the only reason I mentioned it is because you said it was getting negative reviews all over the place and was looking to become a flop.  I've read one bad review about Wall-E and that was from Kurt Loder.  To bad he's a has been.

 

are you referring to me? name or show me 1 single instance where i said it had 'negative' reviews.....it IS A FLOP , compared to other PIXAR films,

that's my point.......

Anyway, Robots, to me, was boring as hell.

to each their own. i thought it was awesome, and so did others, enough to make an IMAX version, think that will happen to wall-e? doubt it..

 

 

As far as Wall-E goes, maybe you didn't catch the reference to HAL in Wall-E.  Yeah, the robot was following orders, but with evidence to the contrary (the plant) he was unwilling to change his mind (there was no possible way for him to get another order from the President since he was dead), just like HAL.  How was EVE's mission a coverup?  She was sent to earth as a probe to look for any sign of life.  She found the plant that Wall-E had already picked up earlier.  That one plant was all that was needed for the return to Earth.  The Captain didn't seem to care about returning to Earth or not until they found the plant.  The plant was the signal that it was time to come home.

i did catch the reference, so what? (and yes i've watched 2001).....................i know what the movie is about, and what the plot points were,

they don't need to be rehashed.............. since HAL knew that no matter if a plant was found or not, it didn't really matter whether eve found

one or not, they weren't going to investigate it anyways.....that's why it was a coverup....

 

I saw the return to Earth as being a form of redemption for the humans.  Instead of sitting around all day being completely attended too, they'd now develop some sense of accomplishment by being forced to do things on their own.  And with the huge cleanup at hand, they'd have a much greater sense of responsibility to the planet.

Yeah, recycling was a huge, over the top point of the movie, but so what?  You say robots don't have emotion, yet we saw plenty of "emotion" in Star Wars and I don't hear anybody bitching about that.  The whole point of Wall-E was that a robot had developed something after years of doing the same thing every day.  That robot then wanted a companion that he could share his thoughts with.  Hence all the things he did for EVE even after she closed up upon finding the plant.

 

1) the whole wall-e (adam) and eve thing was boring, any implied emotions, were just an anthromophic behaviour that was read as 'feelings?', no it was just

    another lame plot device to keep the story moving...yawn...

2) this has nothing to do with Star Wars , please keep the focus on this movie's universe....

3) the cockroach was pretty much symbolic of the REAL COMPANION for the whole movie, who actually belonged with  trash, and junk, and refuse....and who does wall-e  have as a friend?,   yeah, a cute'n'cuddly cockroach...............i'm sure they'll be plush versions for the kids (gag).....

It's worth noting that Robots had pretty significant drops at the box office every week after it's first week too.  And that was with a horror movie and then a comedy being released the first two weeks after it came out.  It managed to pay for itself in 3 weeks instead of Wall-E's 4, but let's wait and see how Wall-E does in the home video market (everything got clobbered this weekend by Batman).  Wall-E managed a fairly respectable $10 million weekend, considering that Batman, Hellboy II, and Space Chimps were all out (Space Chimps did worse than Wall-E and this is its opening weekend).

so Robots had a drop, but 48%? and as i keep saying, compared to other PIXAR films, which is the scope of this reference, this is extremely bad considering

the rest of the movie field......................THERE is NO WAY that dvd/home sales will make up for the rest of the revenue....

and for more fun, heres a list of just some of mistakes/errors and plot holes in wall-e

http://www.moviemistakes.com/film7360

later

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negative1 said:

lordjedi said:

 

 

Uh, even though I started the discussion about the box office, I don't care about box office numbers one bit.  Actually, the only reason I mentioned it is because you said it was getting negative reviews all over the place and was looking to become a flop.  I've read one bad review about Wall-E and that was from Kurt Loder.  To bad he's a has been.

 

 

are you referring to me? name or show me 1 single instance where i said it had 'negative' reviews.....it IS A FLOP , compared to other PIXAR films,

that's my point.......

 

OK

negative1 said:

 

no pixar slipped up, and the public (not that i care) also seems to think so,

have you seen the ratings/reviews/box office? hardly a dent..................and

the long term implications don't looks so great either........

To me, that reads as you're saying it got negative reviews.  There ya go.

negative1 said:

 

to each their own. i thought it was awesome, and so did others, enough to make an IMAX version, think that will happen to wall-e? doubt it..

I have yet to see a second IMAX movie (AOTC was the first and only one), so whether it gets an IMAX version or not doesn't mean a thing to me.

negative1 said:

 

i did catch the reference, so what? (and yes i've watched 2001).....................i know what the movie is about, and what the plot points were,

they don't need to be rehashed.............. since HAL knew that no matter if a plant was found or not, it didn't really matter whether eve found

one or not, they weren't going to investigate it anyways.....that's why it was a coverup....

 

Well, I doubt it was intended as a coverup.  To use your logic, the machines were given orders to send probes every so often looking for life.  Then the President says not to bother coming back, but he doesn't say to stop sending the probes.  Now maybe the machines figured they had the humans under control for good, so there's no reason to go back, but I think that's a stretch.  The machines pretty much had to wait on the humans hand and foot all day long and clean up after them, so the only reason I'd see for not going back is to follow the President's order to the letter, despite evidence to the contrary (not to mention the passage of time).  That and the extreme HAL reference just screams "conflicting orders" to me and that's why they didn't want to go back.

negative1 said:

 

2) this has nothing to do with Star Wars , please keep the focus on this movie's universe....

 

Yeah, because this movies universe is so much more different than any other fictional universe.  We have machines that wait on us hand and foot and all that.  Riiiiight.

negative1 said:

 

3) the cockroach was pretty much symbolic of the REAL COMPANION for the whole movie, who actually belonged with  trash, and junk, and refuse....and who does wall-e  have as a friend?,   yeah, a cute'n'cuddly cockroach...............i'm sure they'll be plush versions for the kids (gag).....

Awesome!  That'll go along with my plush headcrab perfectly (which my son also loves)!

negative1 said:

 

so Robots had a drop, but 48%? and as i keep saying, compared to other PIXAR films, which is the scope of this reference, this is extremely bad considering

the rest of the movie field......................THERE is NO WAY that dvd/home sales will make up for the rest of the revenue....

Says you.  It wouldn't be the first time in history that a film didn't do well at the box office but then had great home video sales.

Most of what they listed at that site are simply mistakes, not huge glaring plot holes.  And again, so what?  Does every movie have to be perfect in order to not be bad?  Give me a break.

Wall-E was fun and enjoyable.  I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it (like you seem to not enjoy most Pixar movies).  Pixar movies make me feel like a kid again.  I'd say they're doing their job just fine.

I'll just say I thought it was pretty good... first movie in awhile where I've actually been entertained.  Pixar is hit-and-miss (Cars - miss, Ratatoullie - miss, Incredibles - conflicted) as of recent, and we got a hit right here.