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C3PX said:
The whole exodus was pretty lame, but we had good times before that, and once the drama was over and the departing members finally got tired of shoving their departure in everyone's faces,
careful there, lets not be reopening old wounds.
Yes, let's keep this thread about me, please.
I didn't mean it that way, of course.
Bingowings said:
I didn't say the forums were pure chaos before I arrived (not only would that suggest they were never fun back then but it also implies I personally had some talismanic influence over everything...clearly not the case).
The bolded bit is an extremely curious statement to me. Care to explain it further?
If it means what I think you mean it to mean and what the words would have it mean (which is usually not the case with you) you are suggesting that I was suggesting that you're arrival de-chaosed the place? Obviously that is not what I intended to imply I thought you meant. I simply meant that you thought it seemed to calm down for other reasons (large quantities of creativity perhaps, as your post seemed to imply, which I can't get behind because I think we were far more creative before and not so much now (with the exception of Adywan).
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Warbler said:
C3PX said:
The whole exodus was pretty lame, but we had good times before that, and once the drama was over and the departing members finally got tired of shoving their departure in everyone's faces,
careful there, lets not be reopening old wounds.
Quite right, Warb. Sorry about that. Yes, it is important that this thread does not lose sight of the issue at hand. The issue... of Televisions Fink! ;)
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
C3PX said:
Warbler said:
C3PX said:
The whole exodus was pretty lame, but we had good times before that, and once the drama was over and the departing members finally got tired of shoving their departure in everyone's faces,
careful there, lets not be reopening old wounds.
Quite right, Warb. Sorry about that. Yes, it is important that this thread does not lose sight of the issue at hand. The issue... of Televisions Fink! ;)
I'M SOGODDAMN SICK OF YOU MISSPELLING MY GODDAMN NAME!!!
It's Television's Fink.
C3PX said:
Bingowings said:
I didn't say the forums were pure chaos before I arrived (not only would that suggest they were never fun back then but it also implies I personally had some talismanic influence over everything...clearly not the case).
The bolded bit is an extremely curious statement to me. Care to explain it further?
If it means what I think you mean it to mean and what the words would have it mean (which is usually not the case with you) you are suggesting that I was suggesting that you're arrival de-chaosed the place? Obviously that is not what I intended to imply I thought you meant. I simply meant that you thought it seemed to calm down for other reasons (large quantities of creativity perhaps, as your post seemed to imply, which I can't get behind because I think we were far more creative before and not so much now (with the exception of Adywan).
The creativity on show when I was following up outside links to ANH:R lead me back here and was of a nature that appealed to me personally enough to join in.
I personally find that level of vibrancy very much alive and well, not just through what Adywan is doing (though he has been doing a heck of a lot) but from a lot of different contributors.
With the section you bolded I was pointing out that my influence clearly didn't have a part in that process because it was well in place before I signed up and is very much still in place now (and I really don't have superpowers). I was dispelling it as a possible misreading.
Even minor hiccups like those recent are trivial and have been dealt with without much in the way of gnashed teeth and pulled hair and with zero recourse to official moderation (as yet).
C3PX said:
...I think we were far more creative before and not so much now...
How 'bout DOING something about it, rather than complaining? Show some creativity again?
^Edited
I think most of that is due to so many lurkers coming out of the woodwork for Ady and sticking around. Most of the creative types are still here, they are just greatly outnumbered by the rest of us. Sure, we could stand to be little more focused on fan editing/preservations, but most of that work is being done already, and the rest of us who like to be on the boards have found other ways to entertain ourselves when we don't have the tools/talent to contribute to the projects.C3PX said:
because I think we were far more creative before and not so much now (with the exception of Adywan).
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Wait, I thought he was talking about off-topic creativity (adywan comment notwithstanding).
*confused*
I was thinking it was more pre-Rift, post-Rift.TV's Frink said:
Wait, I thought he was talking about off-topic creativity (adywan comment notwithstanding).
*confused*
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As I said in defense of Frink just because someone isn't headlining a project it doesn't follow that they aren't contributing creativity and effort.
doubleofive's lists for example are of great use to editors not just Adywan.
The various mock-up artists (still, video and audio) have inspired segments in multiple projects.
Music preservations have been later used in video projects and there are people who have donated materials and resources which make these projects possible.
For the dozen or so projects visibly on the go that I can readily think of there are doubtless many that aren't yet being talked about.
It's very much a creative place.
doubleofive said:
I was thinking it was more pre-Rift, post-Rift.TV's Frink said:
Wait, I thought he was talking about off-topic creativity (adywan comment notwithstanding).
*confused*
This conversation has kind of gone all over the road now. I was just asking Bingo to clarify some things, and he did. Now I fully understand what he was saying. But humorously, it seems we have managed to get everyone else confused in all of this.
To see if I can make things more clear. Bingo seemed to say that this place used to be very "Prickly" whereas now it is much better. That stood in contrast to my view, which was that the glory days of this place are long in the past, despite the minor prickliness (such as trolls and The Rift) that we had in those days, things were still a lot of fun back then. Even though we have gotten a lot more lively lately, things are just not what they use to be.
The "creativity" bit came from this.
Bingowings said:
I was only really prompted to join up after ANH:R because I saw the potential of throwing ideas in there and the place became creative and vibrant, not just a single issue protest site with a discussion board glued on. There were so many different possibilities.
I am not Bingo, so I cannot speak for him. But I am pretty sure he was talking about the ANH:R thread and the ideas being thrown around in it. This also stood in contrast to my feelings about this place. It felt like we used to have a good number of projects pouring out of this place all the time. I see Adywan's work as kind of the last great things to come out of this place. In other words, I feel that while there is still a good deal of creativity going on in his threads, everything else has gone rather stale in the creativity department, and most other projects are rehashes of things that have already been done to some extent or another at least twice before.
I was never commenting on creativity in the Off-Topic thread, nor complaining about a lack thereof.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Hard to believe this is the place we were talking about fanedits at.
Since Fink mentioned TMBTM's War of the Stars edit, I decided to look into it and thought it looked really awesome! So I decided to download it. Got really good reviews, and many people talked about how great it was. I was actually really excited about it, and had already made up my mind to like it before I even saw it. Finally I got my hands on it and sat down to watch it... and was quickly reminded of why I don't mess with fan edits anymore in the first place.
R2's subtitles tend to come off as slapstick, trying too hard, and entirely non-humorous. They don't have an old exploitation film feel about them at all. And Darth Vader's dub was really jarring. Initially I loved his use of other JEJ dialogue, but he obviously ran into the issue of not having enough of it to go around. The switching between various audio qualities of his voice, and between clips of different characters JEJ played made it feel like something you'd see on youtube. Leaving it alone or getting someone to completely redo the voice altogether might have been a better option, as it is, it makes it entirely unwatchable to me.
I also thought the usage of scenes from Troops was an unbelievably bad idea. It really sticks out and just doesn't blend.
He had a lot of really great ideas going into this one, and did a lot of things that really worked well, but I personally feel he sunk it by taking some really bad ideas way too far, despite the fact that they didn't work at all.
I guess when it comes to fan edits, I have really high standards. If it doesn't look good enough to be able to fool someone who has never seen the film before into believing it could have been the studio release of the film, then it isn't up to my standards. Which is why I have never bothered to release any of my own edits.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I was taking into account much more than Adywan's threads.
There are numerous Star Wars projects on the go and quite a few non-Star Wars ones not to mention the various ideas threads which can be a hothouse of creativity which have contributed to the creation and content of lots of freely distributed product (the legitimate distribution too is an aid to creativity and that is frequently done by people who don't put their name to a project).
The rough and ready quality of War Of The Stars is one of the things I liked about it.
I would like to see it 'revisited' though not everything clicks.
The bit where Leia passes the beer up to Luke turned my nose into a coffee fountain even though I was well familiar with the footage.
C3PX said:
I guess when it comes to fan edits, I have really high standards. If it doesn't look good enough to be able to fool someone who has never seen the film before into believing it could have been the studio release of the film, then it isn't up to my standards. Which is why I have never bothered to release any of my own edits.
I agree with you here. Frankly, there's not many that reach that high standard.
There are only two that I've seen so far that I feel are truly "seamless" in the way you describe:
Terminator 3: The Coming Storm by Uncanny Antman
A.I.: Super-Toys Last All Summer Long by JasonN (this one isn't 100% seamless, but it's close, and it dramatically improves the film; the ending is slightly jarring, but it's much, much better than the theatrical version's ending)
Bingowings said:
The rough and ready quality of War Of The Stars is one of the things I liked about it.
I wasn't talking about the "rough and ready" quality, I rather liked that myself. I was talking about those things that don't click, which are pretty heavy in number. Some things were very forced, and absolutely didn't work, but yet let to remain anyway. DV voice being about the worse of it all, like I said, making it feel like something belonging on youtube and not in my DVD player.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
ChainsawAsh said:
There are only two that I've seen so far that I feel are truly "seamless" in the way you describe:
Terminator 3: The Coming Storm by Uncanny Antman
A.I.: Super-Toys Last All Summer Long by JasonN (this one isn't 100% seamless, but it's close, and it dramatically improves the film; the ending is slightly jarring, but it's much, much better than the theatrical version's ending)
See, there you go. You described these two edits as seamless, which got me excited for a moment (The Super-Toys Last All Summer Long one, not the T3 one, no amount of editing would get me to watch that dog of a movie again), but then you mentioned how the ending was jarring. I always here these fantastic reviews for fan edits, and they never live up to the height, and are usually quite of lot worse than anyone at FE would ever care to admit (I get that they deal with edits a lot, so probably have to lower their standards a good deal, and are used to that lack of seamlessness).
Maybe I will check out that A.I. edit, but I have little doubt it will continue to confirm the way I feel about edits, just as War of the Stars did.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I agree with you on some of the items that didn't work in War of the Stars, except I loved the Vader lines enough that I didn't care about the varying quality. And come to think of it, that's a good analogy for the whole movie in my eyes - the stuff that worked was so great and plentiful, that I didn't mind a few things that didn't work.
War of the Stars is hardly representative of a typical fanedit, however, and it's not meant to be. Here are a few recent ones I've really liked:
killbillme's Blue Skies on Mars, a memento-style reordered edit of Total Recall.
Q2's AVCHD's of Indy 4 and Terminator 4. Neither is mind-blowing but both improve on the original and the audio/video is great.
L8wrtr's The Phantom Menace is probably the best we're going to see until TPM:R.
Finally, from the SW preservation side, Harmy's Partially Despecialized ROTJ is fantastic. Another one I'll be watching until adywan gets to ROTJ:R.
TheBoost said:
I was a member of a band once... does that count?
Me too!
Would Darth Solo be kind enough to update the topic title and tell "what this thread is now about", please ?
A B C said:
Would Darth Solo be kind enough to update the topic title and tell "what this thread is now about", please ?
... So ?
Gives me chances. My internetz is playing up with a flat battery on my MB.
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