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yhwx said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Regarding JMSW, Frink wasn’t the only one who suspected him to be JMOW, yet noone received even a warning. It was just stated that he’s not a sock and that calling him a sock will no longer be accepted. And I think Frink stopped after that.

There was also the username thread incident, but then again, Frink was not warned individually, only a vague “you” group.

Yes. I just don’t see the “everyone is treated equally; if you break the rules, you get a warning, then a temp-ban, then a permanent ban” thing being applied as it was announced a while back.

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I think what really ought to happen is a mod needs to come in here and explain the whole situation.

That will stop us from speculating. And that’s supposedly what this thread is for.

JEDIT: Ninja’d…

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Frank your Majesty said:

Not giving warnings in public encourages speculation about the reason for bans, so I don’t think that’s how it should be handled. Also, people need to know what kind of behaviour others get warned for, so that they won’t do the same.

It also doesn’t help how nobody has clarified the situation yet.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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oojason said:

(With mod’s hat back on) This is just a small part of recent efforts to ask / remind posters to be civil to each other, and treat each with a bit more respect also to try and improve the flow and quality of the conversations.

Couldn’t it also be requested that people don’t use the r-word? Would that improve the flow and quality of the conversations? I think it should, because look at the pickle that we’re in now. It ain’t a pretty pickle.

Also, members rightfully do PM the mods and asking us why is poster ‘x’ allowed to say this when poster ‘y’ and myself are not? ‘You had a go at me about this and haven’t had a go at them?’ etc. Well, the mods have to be, and want to be, and aim to be, equal and fair to all members - so we don’t treat you guys any differently or give you preferential treatment - not that we would anyway 😉

This seems to have gone unheeded.

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How much recourse does someone deserve who calls Kelly Marie Tran a “fat asian chick”?

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Maybe the other mods haven’t said something because they’re waiting for Jay to say something and Jay isn’t going to because he hasn’t read the Spoiler thread yet because he hasn’t watched the movie yet.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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So, he has read enough of the thread to ban Frink, but not enough to react to the others?

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In order to ban Frink he’d also need to read the comments that others made… which were surely already over the line.

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See, I don’t know. When you report a post, maybe it puts the contents of that post in another Reported-Posts place somewhere, so Jay could react to that post without reading the actual thread and being spoiled by it.

I don’t really remember all that was said, nor do I want to go back and look at it, but I really don’t think R should be weighted the same as N, given a certain context, so arguing that comparison feels fallacious to me.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

See, I don’t know. When you report a post, maybe it puts the contents of that post in another Reported-Posts place somewhere, so Jay could react to that post without reading the actual thread.

Jay posted twice in there yesterday, one responding to another post which I assume was not reported, so I don’t give that theory credence.

Also he must have seen others posts because they were quoted within Frink’s offending post.

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I guess I just don’t understand what any of you are trying to accomplish. Talk to the people you like and ignore the ones you don’t. Everyone has different ideas of what is proper and decent, and everyone is offended by different things. If they attack another poster, then it becomes a problem.

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Handman said:

I guess I just don’t understand what any of you are trying to accomplish. Talk to the people you like and ignore the ones you don’t. Everyone has different ideas of what is proper and decent, and everyone is offended by different things. If they attack another poster, then it becomes a problem.

The r-word should not be allowed on this site. Period, end of story.

Jay needs to decide if he agrees with this or not.

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Frank your Majesty said:

How much recourse does someone deserve who calls Kelly Marie Tran a “fat asian chick”?

using Asian as an insult really bothers me. My niece is Asian.

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DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

I guess I just don’t understand what any of you are trying to accomplish. Talk to the people you like and ignore the ones you don’t. Everyone has different ideas of what is proper and decent, and everyone is offended by different things. If they attack another poster, then it becomes a problem.

The r-word should not be allowed on this site. Period, end of story.

Well, okay then. I knew some people were offended but I didn’t know it would provoke such a heated response.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

but I really don’t think R should be weighted the same as N, given a certain context,

maybe not, given the unique history of the n-word. But the r-word should definitely be weighted. It is an offensive term. Perhaps not as offensive as the n-word, but it is offensive.

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chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

I guess I just don’t understand what any of you are trying to accomplish. Talk to the people you like and ignore the ones you don’t. Everyone has different ideas of what is proper and decent, and everyone is offended by different things. If they attack another poster, then it becomes a problem.

The r-word should not be allowed on this site. Period, end of story.

Well, okay then. I knew some people were offended but I didn’t know it would provoke such a heated response.

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Warbler said:

Frank your Majesty said:

How much recourse does someone deserve who calls Kelly Marie Tran a “fat asian chick”?

using Asian as an insult really bothers me. My niece is Asian.

Are you joking? Asian is the only word of that phrase that wasn’t used as an insult.

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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

but I really don’t think R should be weighted the same as N, given a certain context,

maybe not, given the unique history of the n-word. But the r-word should definitely be weighted. It is an offensive term. Perhaps not as offensive as the n-word, but it is offensive.

Yes, but does it fall under the blanket of “Breaking the following rules will result in an immediate and permanent ban with no prior warning: slurs […] aren’t tolerated under any circumstances.”?

I feel that what words apply to that rule are a bit too ambiguous to attach such a heavy penalty equally to all the words that could possibly be included. The rule needs to be clarified or outlined or something since people are wanting mods to hold fast and dear to it.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

but I really don’t think R should be weighted the same as N, given a certain context,

maybe not, given the unique history of the n-word. But the r-word should definitely be weighted. It is an offensive term. Perhaps not as offensive as the n-word, but it is offensive.

Yes, but does it fall under the blanket of “Breaking the following rules will result in an immediate and permanent ban with no prior warning: slurs […] aren’t tolerated under any circumstances.”?

Jay has to decide that. If it were me, it would. Of course I would make that more clear in the wording of the rules.

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Frank your Majesty said:

Warbler said:

Frank your Majesty said:

How much recourse does someone deserve who calls Kelly Marie Tran a “fat asian chick”?

using Asian as an insult really bothers me. My niece is Asian.

Are you joking? Asian is the only word of that phrase that wasn’t used as an insult.

Well it sounded like the whole phrase was being used as an insult.

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She’s an actress of Vietnamese heritage.

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Handman said:

I will say this, this forum does have a lot of unwritten social codes that I haven’t encountered literally anywhere else in my life, and when someone breaks that code, they get a host of people on their back, which isn’t really fair. I don’t believe Dr.Dre’s offense is a perma-bannable thing, more like a warning, however Frink did go overboard, there’s no other way to take his response.

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yhwx said:

Handman said:

I think we should wait for Frink to return from his temp-ban before we continue to condemn anyone else or go on endless conjecture.

What’s the problem with “condemning anyone else?”

I don’t think that’s very fair to do if they are not here to defend themselves. I’m fairly certain everyone we’re talking about doesn’t visit this section of the forum.

Handman said:

I guess I just don’t understand what any of you are trying to accomplish. Talk to the people you like and ignore the ones you don’t. Everyone has different ideas of what is proper and decent, and everyone is offended by different things. If they attack another poster, then it becomes a problem.

You should all read these posts over and over again until they sink in.

I banned Frink for losing it and attacking another member because something offended him personally. Not only was that against the general forum rules, but also the thread-specific rules, which are explicit. It’s also become a pattern that has affected how other members discuss certain topics, as mentioned by several in this thread. I’m hoping this is something Frink bears in mind when he returns.

The offending party apologized sincerely once they were made aware of Frink’s personal situation, and I decided not to ban them because of that. Had Frink led with an explanation of his feelings instead of launching into an attack, it’s likely all this would have been avoided. In fact, the offending party requested that Frink’s ban be lifted immediately after it was enacted. I declined.

Regarding the “r-word”, we’ve disciplined other members for using it and will continue to do so when it’s brought to our attention. Had Frink contacted us about its use in the TLJ thread instead of going off, we would’ve corrected it there as well.

I’ve changed my mind and won’t be reviewing the 50 or so pages of the TLJ review thread prior to Frink’s banning. You’re welcome to report specific posts that you think are against the rules to oojason and SilverWook via PM since they’ve seen TLJ. I’ve avoided all but one major spoiler up to this point and would like to remain relatively spoiler-free until I have time to see the movie. Those of you who think it’s a “problem” that I haven’t seen the movie yet are welcome to volunteer as my personal assistant so you can manage my calendar and explain to my family and employer why they come in third place to a movie released right before a major holiday.

I have no intention of returning to this thread to discuss this further as I consider the matter closed. Please refrain from further speculation or judgment/criticism of your fellow members or I’ll lock the topic.

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I didn’t say it’s a problem that you specifically haven’t seen it. But I think it’s a problem that the most active thread right now goes relatively unmoderated out of fear to be the one that reveals a spoiler to the mods by reporting something.

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Frank your Majesty said:

I didn’t say it’s a problem that you specifically haven’t seen it. But I think it’s a problem that the most active thread right now goes relatively unmoderated out of fear to be the one that reveals a spoiler to the mods by reporting something.

Jay also has other mods that he can delegate issues to, so this complaining about having to go to into a spoiler thread is really moot since there are at least two other people that can handle the situation for him.

I defended Jay about his not seeing the movie. But complaining about having to moderate the spoiler thread is a bit much, don’t ya think?

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Frank your Majesty said:

Handman said:

yhwx said:

Handman said:

I think we should wait for Frink to return from his temp-ban before we continue to condemn anyone else or go on endless conjecture.

What’s the problem with “condemning anyone else?”

I don’t think that’s very fair to do if they are not here to defend themselves. I’m fairly certain everyone we’re talking about doesn’t visit this section of the forum.

That’s their problem. You can send them a PM and direct them here. It’s not like we registered on a different forum to talk about them behind their backs.

Jay said:

Breaking the following rules will result in an immediate and permanent ban with no prior warning:

  1. Personal attacks and slurs based on race/ethnicity/religion/gender/sexual orientation/etc. aren’t tolerated under any circumstances.

So Jay is the r-word a personal attack and slur, yes or no?