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Dawn of the Jedi (live action film by James Mangold) - a general discussion thread

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One of the 3 new Star Wars movies announced at Celebration 2023 is a theatrical film by James Mangold.

The film will be set at the dawn of the Jedi, telling the tale of the “first Jedi to wield the Force.”

Of his film, Mangold said he “thought about a biblical epic, like a Ten Commandments and the dawning of the Force. Where did the Force come from? When did we discover it? When did we know how to use it? And a story just started developing.”

According to Mangold, it will be set 25,000 years prior to the original Star Wars.
 

^ from a short exclusive interview he did with ScreenRant
 

 
I love Mangold’s work. Just as a directer alone his films such as Logan, Copland, 3:10 to Yuma, Girl Interrupted, and Walk the Line, are all memorable and enjoyable films to me. So I hope his Star Wars film will also follow suit.

Maybe we’ll see some nods and references from The Dawn Of The Jedi story from the comic series? I hope this film does use the ‘Dawn of the Jedi’ title, though at this point I am just hoping it actually gets made!

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I hope it’s more than nods and references to the Legends Dawn of the Jedi. It should be an adaptation of that storyline. I’m not saying you need a 1:1 translation of every page, but I would love to see Disney try a faithful adaptation of a Legends storyline for once. Bring it into Disney canon and modernize the presentation for sure, but don’t completely rewrite things and then toss in a few minor easter eggs to the comics and novels. Let us see the Rakata and the Force Hounds as the villains, show the Tho Yor and all the old lore that made the era so rich.

I’m actually pretty interested to see how they handle the Tython v Ahch-To dilemma now. Obviously the comics take place on Tython, which is now in Disney canon from the Mandalorian as an ancient Jedi world, but the Dawn of the Jedi symbol was also on Ach-To, which is halfway across the galaxy. My hope is that they still use Tython for the Je’daii, and then perhaps at the conclusion of the film the Jedi Order can be formed on Ahch-To. Would love to see Ossus included in the storyline too.

Finally, Taika Waititi’s Star Wars film (which is supposedly set 100+ years after Episode 9) was given one promo image at that first Disney Expo it was announced at. And it was a picture of the Tho Yor. So I do believe Disney has had at least some plan in the background to tie in the Dawn of the Jedi content to future events.

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Would have loved George’s prototype for this from when he was creating Star Wars. About the Sith and Bendu, Ashla and Bogan. And Darklighter started the Sith.

Using proto lightsabers like Tales of the Jedi.

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They need to tread carefully, Origin stories can be controversial. How Ridley Scott revealed the origin of the Xenomorph in Alien: Covenant was not well received.

“There is a tremor in the Force.”

“Give yourself to the dark side.” -Lord Vader

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Zero interest from me. Does every origin story need to be told? Can’t something ever be left to the imagination?

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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Superweapon VII said:

Zero interest from me. Does every origin story need to be told? Can’t something ever be left to the imagination?

My feelings exactly. Mystery actually is a benefit not a determent to story telling.

“There is a tremor in the Force.”

“Give yourself to the dark side.” -Lord Vader

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Superweapon VII said:

Zero interest from me. Does every origin story need to be told? Can’t something ever be left to the imagination?

After seeing the Prequel Trilogy, I completely agree.

I do have some hopes for this. Mainly because it is Mangold doing his own thing. I hope so anyway.

“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas

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Acbagel said:

I hope it’s more than nods and references to the Legends Dawn of the Jedi. It should be an adaptation of that storyline. I’m not saying you need a 1:1 translation of every page, but I would love to see Disney try a faithful adaptation of a Legends storyline for once. Bring it into Disney canon and modernize the presentation for sure, but don’t completely rewrite things and then toss in a few minor easter eggs to the comics and novels. Let us see the Rakata and the Force Hounds as the villains, show the Tho Yor and all the old lore that made the era so rich.

This is where I am at with the project. I hope and want it to be a like-for-like adaptation, though if it isn’t, or is yet another low-level entry into modern Star Wars, then at least we’ll still have the original engaging and revered comic books.

Mangold does tend to do “epic” well, so I hope he is left alone and undisturbed by Disney to complete this.

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas