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Hi am new well i seen the classics and wanted to know that in ESB Darth Vader takes his mask off and puts it back on why does he do that ? Thanks

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Originally posted by: SW
Hi am new well i seen the classics and wanted to know that in ESB Darth Vader takes his mask off and puts it back on why does he do that ? Thanks


Well, this is an EU answer, but in the novel Shadows of the Emperor it is revealed that the egg-shaped chamber he sits in is actually a medically-sealed chamber where he can take his suit off--in fact, at various points in the book he is descibed as sitting in it naked, trying to use the Force to heal his injuries. He had also been experimenting with taking his helemt off when the chamber is not sealed, to see how long he could go without air--this is what is happening when Captain Piett enters his quarters in that scene and we see his helmet being put back on.

But this is all EU stuff. There really isn't an explaination in the film itself.
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I thought his life depended on the suit coz if he takes it off he might die . Thanks anyway
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Re-read Zombie's post. He already addressed that.


Clearly, just in the what the movie has revealed, it is clearly a medical chamber designed to preserve his life in the absence of his mask to some degree, since the egg chamber is designed to remove his mask.

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I alway thought it was a meditation chamber. And just the helmet was removed, not the face mask part. Like in Jedi when Luke removes the helmet and mask.

Maybe the helmet is heavy and he needs a rest to reduce neck strain.
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
I alway thought it was a meditation chamber. And just the helmet was removed, not the face mask part. Like in Jedi when Luke removes the helmet and mask.



Maybe the helmet is heavy and he needs a rest to reduce neck strain.

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I've always gone with the meditation chamber idea. And, yeah, it is just the helmet, not the mask, if you consider the figure based off of it to be accurate. There's a meditation egg playset that has Vader with removable helmet but not mask (as opposed to the standalone figure that removes the helmet and mask in one piece. So, logically, that's what it is. In terms of the movie, there are actually two opinions on the commentary about why this happens. According to Lucas, it's so we can see that Darth Vader is indeed human and not a robot, so his revelation at the end of the movie makes sense. According to Kershner, though, immediately after that clip, he said that it was to add mystery and ambiguity to Vader. "Is he human? Is he an android? We don't know!"

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Originally posted by: zombie84
in fact, at various points in the book he is descibed as sitting in it naked



And that, my friend, is the dark lord of the sith in a nut shell.


I believe that there is a fan fiction that starts out like this, only involved Grand Moff Tarkin and Harry Potter.


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Hey, I think I've read that one!

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His skin is pink in ESB when he puts the mask back on . In ROTJ when the mask is taken off he is all white what happend to his skin ?
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he gave up on using his George Hamilton Tanning Cream , and just went with the natural glow
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Originally posted by: SW
His skin is pink in ESB when he puts the mask back on . In ROTJ when the mask is taken off he is all white what happend to his skin ?


are you refering to the '04 DVD version?
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yes i am
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Well, that could be because of the colour inconsistencies of the DVD's themselves OR at the end of Jedi, he is dying, so therefore he looks very pale.
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Or it could just be one of many continuity errors...

As for what is he doing in that egg thing, I tend to go for the meditation idea, although the idea of the egg also being a sort of life support booth works too. Why can't it be both - he's meditating in a life support booth. As for why they had that scene in the movie, I'll go with Kersh's explanation, but Lucas' makes sense too. You have to remember that back in 1980, nobody really knew a whole lot about Vader. I suppose there could have been one or 2 people in the audience who thought he was a robot (and therefore his 'I am you father' speech would have seemed a bit odd).

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Yeah, that's what I meant. It's a life-support meditation chamber. I mean, why else would you have a small non-mobile life-support chamber that only contains a chair if not for meditation? Not a whole lot else you can do there. And I never noticed any skin inconsistancies. Of course, you're seeing only the back of the head in ESB anyway. And if there is an inconsistancy, it's just a movie. No big deal. But try to convince Lucas of that, and you're in trouble.

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I have no problem with minor inconsistencies either. If Vader was pink in ESB and then they decided it would look cooler if he was all grey and old looking for his unmasking in ROTJ, that's fine by me. For the same reaosn I had absolutely no problem with the Emperor looking a bit different in ROTJ than he did in ESB. But George Lucas can't think like that. He either has to alter one of the 2 so they match or make up some lame retcon excuse as to why this inconsistency isn't actaully an inconsistency but rather an intentional artistic decision.

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Yet he wrote major inconsistencies in the prequels! He doesn't bother major inconsistencies, it's just the stupid minor ones that nobody notices anyway. Like the freakin' eyebrows! I wonder how many weeks it took animators to paint that out, frame by frame? Guess he's gotta pay 'em for something now that Revenge of the Sith is over and done with.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Or it could just be one of many continuity errors...

As for what is he doing in that egg thing, I tend to go for the meditation idea, although the idea of the egg also being a sort of life support booth works too. Why can't it be both - he's meditating in a life support booth. As for why they had that scene in the movie, I'll go with Kersh's explanation, but Lucas' makes sense too. You have to remember that back in 1980, nobody really knew a whole lot about Vader. I suppose there could have been one or 2 people in the audience who thought he was a robot (and therefore his 'I am you father' speech would have seemed a bit odd).


I agree. In 1980, there were all sorts of rumors about Vader, and one of them was that he was a droid. If you think he may not be human, the rest of the movie doesn't make sense, or you go with the easy"he's lying" explination. In addition, I think that they were setting up for a much more mutilated Anakin that didn't end up happening. I think I've heard in the early drafts of ROTJ, Anakin is described as being so scarred that he is barely recognizable as human.
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Well, he is pretty damned scarred, with or without eyebrows. I mean, I wouldn't pick him for Mr. Universe or as a Coca-Cola poster boy.

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The chamber wouldn't just have to have been for meditation. It could also perform extra medical purposes for Vader that his suit is unable to provide. Also, I'm sure it would be nice to get that mask off from time to time and let your skin breath a little more normally.

Also, on the VHS copies I own, I'm sure that Darth Vader's skin is pale white with pink scarrs, just like in RotJ. Maybe there is a problem with the DVD release at that scene?

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Guys, you're all overthinking this.

It's his head.
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The chamber is primarily a hyperbaric chamber of sorts that allows him to free himself from his helmet. I have a few ESB production pictures on my HD that show Vader sitting in the chamber sans helmet, but there is a an apparatus into which he breathes. It is a face mask of sorts that protrudes from the mechanism that lowers his helmet onto his head. Clearly these shots of him with this "oxygen mask" attached to his face never made it to the final cut. However, the fact that he was breathing into this thing, which actually kind of looks like an in-air refueling basket for military planes, means that the front of his head would have had no mask and that what we see descend from above is his entire helmet, not just the dome.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
The chamber wouldn't just have to have been for meditation. It could also perform extra medical purposes for Vader that his suit is unable to provide. Also, I'm sure it would be nice to get that mask off from time to time and let your skin breath a little more normally.

Also, on the VHS copies I own, I'm sure that Darth Vader's skin is pale white with pink scarrs, just like in RotJ. Maybe there is a problem with the DVD release at that scene?
No, I always remember him with a pink head, and I've only watched the DVDs once.

P.S Thanks for the info JediFlyer.

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Originally posted by: Scruffy
Guys, you're all overthinking this.

It's his head.


Well, isn't that the nerd calling the geek obsessed? ^_~

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.