ChainsawAsh said:
I feel like bringing the dialogue or whatever back in during the silent passages defeats the purpose of having an isolated score.
... Or even about a musical DVD, I agree.
Having English subtitles (as an option?) wouldn't be a bad idea - I usually turn them on when I listen to isolated scores anyway.
I'm beginning to feel this edit will be interesting enough to forget those details.
A B C said:
ChainsawAsh said:
I feel like bringing the dialogue or whatever back in during the silent passages defeats the purpose of having an isolated score.
... Or even about a musical DVD, I agree.
Having English subtitles (as an option?) wouldn't be a bad idea - I usually turn them on when I listen to isolated scores anyway.
I'm beginning to feel this edit will be interesting enough to forget those details.
I agree.
I'm amazed... Most of the cuts they did for the music are so tiny bits repeted or deleted that it looks these are due to imprecisions in the editing, more than last minutes changes that may have occured in the cut. The difference I've observed in the GOUT when we see Luke the first time from the air, next to Ady's reconstruction version of the same passage remains a mystery for me. The editing of the music here really looks like it has been done roughly in this '80 mix.
Nevermind, I'm cooking this the best I can.
A B C said:
dark_jedi said:
The music usually stops around dialogue right, why not just have the dialogue come back in until music starts again.
I thought about it too. I'm gonna try this, without strong conviction ;)
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r
There was definitely some significant re-editing of the score for the special edition. Notice the transitions after the cave scene and the X-wing rising from the swamp, which use the music as composed rather than cutting in the concert Imperial march. Boba Fett's departure from Bespin, allowing the music to continue to the end of the scene rather than being clumsily chopped up to end abruptly as the ship takes off. The Millennium Falcon flying away after the Avenger goes to lightspeed, extending the cue by using the previously unheard beginning section, changing the music synch to accommodate the addition of new fx. The Falcon's arrival at Bespin using more of that cue, again because of new fx. The brief high strings edited into the old mix as the Empire bombs the asteroid field are missing, as is the gong crash when Luke enters the carbon freeze chamber.
I agree that an isolated score shouldn't have dialogue or other sound mixed in when there is no music. Sometimes I enjoy the sort of 'silent film' vibe you get from the music only. Anyway, this sounds like a really interesting project. :)
D_J,
I'm PMing you a Flac sample of the begining until the snowspeeders cue synchronized to your PCM track. If you have time to check against the picture what it gives that would be great. I'm in PAL region, so I can't it check over my GOUT version - that I finally found btw.
D. Malwalker, thanks for the link. Very nteresting thread. ANH has only 90 min of score, against 117 min for Empire. There will be very few silent passages in the end, and as I mentionned before the photography for this film is exceptionnal, so just we would have to open our eyes when the ears will be at rest. ;)
Thanks for the infos Hairy_Hen, so the SE doesn't suck on every point...! I enjoyed very much the restored bits of music in Ady's version. I have the SE but I'm not mad enough to watch or study it. Funny then, cause my previous film cut edit of the score was all made after the GOUT, and I now think such editing is pointless as a soundtrack or an isolated score.
In the other hand, I tested "Departure Of Boba Fett" on the film mix and that was incredible and funny in the same time: as the duel in the Carbon Freeze chamber is - unscored - in the film with the dialogues, it is perfect. As it is with the music and the sfx's clashing it is awesome and there's a big tension underneath... But as I listened with the dialogues + the music, it had something "too much": too heroic, what really gave me a feeling of "commercial" stuff or something for children.
PS: so I retrieved my 2004 DVD and the alt mix I was searching for the March, if it's this one, is too short for the edit I thought (not for the DVD). And anyway, everybody talks about this alt mix, when all the film mix unique, as is the Anthology, or the album, or the... No, forget that one...
I will take a listen and get back to you ASAP.
Oh, and don't worry if you notice the little editing at the beginning of the 2nd half of "Ice PLanet". It 's already corrected.
I don't know why but I can't decode that FLAC file, so I will not be able to test it until I can get it to decode, FLAC front end just will not decode it.
but I listened to it, is there a very long pause at the beginning? no Fox fanfare and intro?
I fucked up, as told by pm...
Also, I encoded with Audacity and plays fine on Foobar 2000... I will encode the next one with Foobar, let's see if you can manage it. ;) You've got it in a couple of minutes.
Yes, I read your PM after I posted my message.
Is there any possibility of using sendspace or hotfile instead of megaupload?
I just tried sendspace while it is in the same time uploading on MU... After one minute it announces 45 min for the upload. Mu makes it in 14 min ! I'll try again next time, but perhaps it depends on your location. ... And remember, I already tried some time ago after you asked me the same.
Just curious if you noticed the changes in the mastering for "Main Title" and the other cues (mostly for the "Wampa's Lair").
have not listened to all yet, but this sample did decode, I have the wav file now, I wonder if the other did not decode because of the muted start, but all is good now.
ESB Imperial Edition sample
http://www.sendspace.com/file/1klv2a
http://www.sendspace.com/file/g8hc5v
http://www.sendspace.com/file/t4q17u
http://www.sendspace.com/file/tyitrw
Thanks a lot D_J,
It's turning very good and it confirms all my expectations for synchronization... And I mean both good and bad ones (so few), cause if I could have had half a second as a small margin for editing for the 1st half of the unused part of the "Wampa's Lair" track, it would have been even better.
As told by pm it's revealing and I think the great interest of all this is gonna increase the more we'll go through the film until the end. I also definitely love to see the film black and white, when all the colours come from the music.
I'm not willing to congratulate ourselves but thank you for doing this ! ;)
... And bravo to John Williams.
Have you guys seen TMBTM's B&W music-only editions of the OT? I don't think he took the care you guys are taking with the music, and he used title cards for dialogue, but thought you might be interested if you haven't seen it.
D_J, your sample helped me fixing the first half of "Ice Planet"... It will be top.
Edit: Indeed it is perfect !
A B C said:
D_J, your sample helped me fixing the first half of "Ice Planet"... It will be top.
Great, can't wait to watch this when it is complete, very fun stuff.
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If anyone is interested I can post a couple of audio samples of some sequences with synchronized unused music over the film mix. I espacially think about the 1st duel between Luke and Vader (before "Departure") - when I'll be at this point - , cause the creepy music really makes a surpising rendition of the sequence...
* Unknown missing track *
Did nobody ever noticed there's an unknown bit of music on the 1980 mix, during the conversation when Chewie has brought back 3PO in pieces ?
It's a kind of suspens cue on two notes (harp? oboe?...) + a third note appearing (violin or cello). I thought it was some background SFXs for the doors or the lifts but no. It even accelerates when they all go out with Lando and fades on the next cue.
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I updated the cue list on post 1.
Good news, my mix is now finished. I'll pm it to D_J tomorrow.
I'm starving to see the result. I won't give the full detail of this work cause 1) seems nobody wants to know these things, and 2) It would be too long...! :)
... The other good new is that I've been able to check thanks to this work that I now got rid of all the pitch defects of the different recordings I restored for this soundtrack. The one I recently made for the SE track "Deal With The Dark Lord" thanks to the NPR Radio Drama is very good besides. The last pitch corrections that were left and are not on the Audiophile Ed. concerned RSO CD tracks ("Mynock Cave", "Han and Leia" and "Yoda And the Force").
THIS IS GREAT ABC, I better get my butt to the PM's LOL, I can't wait to put this all together as well.
What is the best way for you to get this ABC? I want you to get it before I do anything else with it, because as you said, it seems WE are the only ones really interested, which in all honesty is fine by me, so if I have to, I will mail it to you.
dark_jedi said:
... as you said, it seems WE are the only ones really interested...
So be it... ;)
... This just made me realize how far this work we're doing here, bringing all the qualities I saved from this soundtrack playing on the picture could be "wanted" as a valuable film (masterpiece) scoring archive. All is a matter of presentation, but I'm not ready to make a big effort for this, this time. I only found a better name for the topic... No more.
Anyway, I begin to think my restoration couldn't have a better purpose than going with yours. The "old" feeling of the picture in black and white definitely looks great.
D_J, If you want to see if it's worth before uploading the set, you may just have to take a closer look from "Drawing the Battle Lines" until "The Rebel Escape Again", and the 2nd part of "The Duel". The later is the less good synchro part with the last 1/3 of "Rebels Escape Again" However I more focused on the SFX's than on the music in general and it should be ok. Some tracks may be even better placed, as for the passage where Luke finishes his fall outside the City (the lack of synchro of the music has always bothered me in the film)... All the rest should fit quite like a glove.