Dario Argento's Three Mothers (* unfinished project - lots of info *)

I am tossing around some ideas on these right now but would like some input, which version of Suspiria looks the best on BD? from my understanding none of the BD releases has the correct color timing, and I also remember someone did a DVD version of this with the lossless PCM, does anyone know if this was captured or ripped bit perfect? if ripped bit perfect I sure would like to find this, if captured, well not so much lol, also is there a DVD that does have the correct color timing? I need something to color time to.

Inferno also has a few Worldwide releases, but I have found out that the German Koch Media Book is the best release for this, and a kind member here is in the process of helping me obtain this, so a huge thanks to him, but is there any issues with this title? wrong color, audio issues, etc.? from what I have read this is pretty much perfect, just region B, but again I need your input whether this is true or not.

Now Mother of Tears was only released in France and I already have this and just found out it is uncut, but has forced subs when English is chosen, well this I can bypass easy enough, so I do not think there is anything more we can do with this, it is good to go.

My idea here is to make a 3 Disc Set that has the best of the best of all the releases so we can have everything in 1 package instead of all the different releases all over the damn place lol, Suspiria will need some work, not sure about Inferno, and Mother of Tears should be good to go easy enough.

Well this is all just ideas now but once we start talking things can get ramped up pretty easily lol, so does anyone have any thoughts or ideas here?

Thanks

Someone released a restoration of Suspiria recently - have a look here:
http://drsapirstein.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/suspiria-restored-preserved-hd-edition.html

Unfortunately, a good portion of the above release is upconverted then heavily filtered from the old Anchor Bay DVD in order to have completely accurate colors. I commend the effort, but the end result is not alltogether enjoyable. Speaking of which, the original Anchor Bay DVD seems to be the best source to reference colors AFAIK.

The DVD with lossless PCM is I believe Matt Steven's version. He's recently been active around the forums, so, dark_jedi, you can ask him yourself whether his audio is BitPerfect or captured. Honestly, I'd be interested to know; never got a chance to ask myself.

The best BD sources for Suspiria, video-wise, are the French BD and the Japanesse BD. For the first two thirds, the French BD has the best video quality, color-wise, being the only transfer not to be overtly pink; unfortunately, the contrast seems slightly hotter than the Japaneese BD, whose main issue is being 29.97 (but it IVTCs easily). The Japaneese BD is the best for the final scenes: when (mild spoilers, I guess) witnessing the coven talking about Susy and meeting Helena Markos.

Anyway, hope this information helps. I love these movies. Would really want to see a project come to fruition.

I agree with you AF regarding the above project, it interests me none, I have read exactly what you commented on and that just will not work for our projects, and if the audio is captured from the LD I do not want that either, I would want a bit perfect rip, this would be much better sounding, damn, and I do not have either the Japanese or French release of Suspiria, I wonder if anyone here does? I do have these versions to work with right now,

Suspiria
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Suspiria-Blu-ray/8282/
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Suspiria-Blu-ray/14521/

Inferno
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Inferno-Blu-ray/12179/
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Inferno-Blu-ray/18151/
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Inferno-Blu-ray/15576/

Mother of Tears
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Mother-of-Tears-Blu-ray/9137/

Unfortunately, that Suspiria BD is the UK version, which has heavily blown out contrast though, by all accounts, good to excellent audio (a remix coming close to matching the LD). I may want to mention tha both the Japaneese and French BDs don't have remarkable audio (mono for the French!).

Here's a comparison of all the different BDs:https://sites.google.com/site/suspiria1977bluraycomparison/

(Kudos and Credits to whoever actually made it).

Sound wise, my DVD of SUSPIRIA will murder each and every release of this film. Period. Hands down. We'll take the Pepsi challenge any damn day of the week. :)

My partner on that one would remember how we captured the audio. It is from the laserdisc but I do not recall how we recorded it. 

The DVD's do not have very good sound. The laserdisc's PCM stereo played back via Pro Logic II can't be beat. 

That being said, the 5.1 mix on (I think) the British release is close. It is not the Anchor Bay remix. But unfortunately it has a terribly screwed up transfer. The French BD is better.

I've emailed my restoration partner and asked him the status on his BD restoration. He is working on one and I guarantee you, no one will do a better job. No one on this planet. 

OK I am trying to get my hands on the LD so I can get this audio ripped, hopefully I can find this baby.

bigrob said:

got the laserdisc in my collection actually

 

the Image US release correct?

Yes that is the one, are you able to do bit perfect rips?

I heard the UK BD has decent audio, but is missing a line (or, indeed, a single word) from around where the side change was on the laserdisc, so probably came from that source (unless, of course, both just happened to occur at the same reel change).

For the best video, you'd probably do well to pick and choose your scenes from various releases. There's also the Australian release to consider, which may or may not have some unique characteristics. There's a discussion about that one here:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=202998

Koch gets my vote for best PQ for Inferno, though some prefer the tweaked colours (from the same master) of the US release. Not sure how the Blu Undies 7.1 and Arrow 5.1 remixes stands up to Koch's original 2.0.

Mother of Tears? Nyeah...

The Griff said:

I heard the UK BD has decent audio, but is missing a line (or, indeed, a single word) from around where the side change was on the laserdisc, so probably came from that source (unless, of course, both just happened to occur at the same reel change).

For the best video, you'd probably do well to pick and choose your scenes from various releases. There's also the Australian release to consider, which may or may not have some unique characteristics. There's a discussion about that one here:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=202998

Koch gets my vote for best PQ for Inferno, though some prefer the tweaked colours (from the same master) of the US release. Not sure how the Blu Undies 7.1 and Arrow 5.1 remixes stands up to Koch's original 2.0.

Mother of Tears? Nyeah...

Thanks, and I must be the only one that likes Mother of Tears lol, or maybe it's just Asia Argento!

1 more thing, so what DVD release has the proper color for Suspiria? we will need a gauge lol.

Thanks

The R1 Anchor Bay/Blu Underground DVDs are generally considered to be of reference quality, colorwise.

I enjoyed MOTHER OF TEARS for what it was, and even caught it at its world premiere with Dario and Asia in attendance, but would hesitate to even include it in the same sentence as the other two. Good luck with the project, DJ.

For me the French release looks sensational, other than the scene that are screwed up for some reason. It's strange that the French release has fewer PQ errors vs. the British release, despite their being from the same master.

See the comparison link I posted above. The Italian release isn't the best IIRC, with heavy DVNR. The French and Japaneese are far more worthwhile.

bigrob said:

got the laserdisc in my collection actually

 

the Image US release correct?

So can you rip the audio from it?

Thanks

You can't really 'rip' a laserdisc. You can just capture the sound, either via the L/R analog outs or, if you have the equipment, the Optical output. Trust me when I tell you, no one is going to be able to tell the difference. Either way the sound is pure gold.

bigrob said:

dark_jedi said:

bigrob said:

got the laserdisc in my collection actually

 

the Image US release correct?

So can you rip the audio from it?

Thanks

 hi DJ

 

sadly i don't have the tech to do this but am quite happy to send it to you though

Thanks a lot! let me see if I can find it first and if not I would love to take you up on that, in what State are you in?

OK I now have this version of Suspiria as well,

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Suspiria-Blu-ray/14521/

now I need to find the Anchor Bay DVD, anyone have this for sale by any chance? and get the LD audio ripped.

tranzor I sent you a PM.

So the AB DVD is the correct color timing or at least the closest correct? I have the Blue Underground DVD and heard this is pretty close as well, so what are the real problem scene or scenes to get right? any help on this could really speed things up, it looks like the Japan version is going to be our base, French and UK versions have crushed blacks and You_Too said to avoid them, and I 100% trust him on this, and the Italian is to over sharpened.

I know that a few people took my Suspria and ripped the audio, posting it online for others to use. A few took that, made their own and took credit for it. Whatever. No big whoops. I just wish they'd give credit where credit is due. 

For me, credit goes to drsd2kill. He's the man. he made Suspiria happen. Without him, it wouldn't have happened.