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DUAL LAYER SET's will hit soon - but be skeptical!

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Hey there guys,

FIRST - I'm still on break BUT - I had to post this!!

SECOND - I will start to read the forums on thursday or friday.

THIRD - We did a DUAL LAYER - Star Wars - ONLY Star Wars - THAT's it

FOURTH - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT email me requesting a copy of the DL DVD+R

FIFTH - It was captured with a consumer level ATI card and NOT a PROFESSIONAL MPEG2 device

NOW to answer a few questions I've gotten over the last few days in PM -

1. Yea, I'm planning on a DL set in the FUTURE but as of now the media cost $45 for a three pack - YEA a 3 pack!!

SO I HAVE NO PLANS on duplicating a DUAL LAYER set until a very HIGH END outfit captures it - So please don't ask!

2. YES we did a capture to DL!

I DO have a Dual Layer transfer of STAR WARS that my friend just captured and authored with TMPGEncDVDAuthor 1.6 (DL support) and Adobe Premiere Pro 7.0

The MPEG2 details -

The DVD was encoded with these settings -

VBR with an average bitrate of 8416 (max 9200 kbits/sec 2nd pass) the audio was done as AC3

The file size was 7.6 gigs

The results -

My DL SW looks the same as my LD but with a bit better contrast and colors BUT there is artifacting still there - just like the TR47 and the Anamorphic BUT not as noticable on my 27 but it's hard to tell it apart from the Anamorphic set cept' the aspect ratio is better on the DL and the TR47 set. The DL DVD+R would NOT play on my Apex 1500 or my Mintek 1600 - Played on my brother Samsung but not his Sony AND the PICTURE is only a BIT better than the Anamorphic set that is out now spanks the LOOK and the TR47 set.

THIS will be the issues with all the coming DL versions IMHO - Sure it is a bit better in quality than the Anamorphic set but the truth is the SOURCE is the problem and will remain the problem. The LD's are mastered form analoge sources and that's it you cannot change that.

I have a 94' projection system and of all the versions that I have I have to say that I personally select my actual LD's over any of them. My DL is the best of them all BUT the auido is kinda weak (sorry bud )

Samples of my result -


Sample of my Bookie with Sealab


The screen by itself


The screen in the making (that's my beautiful baby girl and my NOT so pretty brother )


I have no plans to send ANYONE my copy nor do we plan on capturing the other two movies as it's NOT much better than the Anamorphic set SO PLESE DO NOT ASK! (that and we only have the 1 DL disc ) SO we all know that TR47 will have a set for about $60 -100 or so in a few days - AND they MAY I stress MAY NOT be worth it, when the quality is NOT that great (at least MY version is not but considering the tools used....) and UNLESS his source was captured with a VERY PROFESSIONAL MPEG2 device PLEASE hold of on getting a Dual Layer Set FOR NOW!

EITHER WAY before ANYONE sells a DUAL LAYER version I suggest WHOEVER has a copy PLEASE PLEASE send A FREE COPY (only 1 DL DVD+R) of it to ROWMAN for a TRULY UNBIASED review first!!! (I'd send you my copy but it's just not worth the postage )

The http://www.prillaman.net/ site can NOT be considered UNBIASED so the review should be taken VERY lightly - considering that all the reviwes of the TR47 set DO NOT talk about the known FLAWS!!!!

AGAIN I state...

DO NOT BUY ANY DUAL LAYER version - UNTIL ROWMAN reviews it!!

I'm sorry RowMan if I put you on the spot - I only suggest you since your the most unbiased and objective member on the boards)

BUT at this time my DL is NO BETTER (just a bit honestly) then the Anamorphic Set - TR47's set STILL has the best audio!!


NOW I'm back to my break - I'll start to post again this weekend!

Love ya guys!

MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU ALL!!




“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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So Rik, when can I get a copy of the DL trilogy from you? Just kidding bro. Great post. Very informative, answered and number of questions and may have saved many of us $$$. That projection screen is awesome, I will take one of those. Wow, now that's home theater. Btw, I love the discs you sent me, very happy and I will be getting some goodies to you soon as I get them (this week), so by the time you get back on the board I should have some info for you. Hope you are enjoying yourself. You have been a huge asset to this board and we all appreciate your posts and your work.
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Why are you posting false info about me and my plans? I have no plans to sell a DL set anytime soon. The media is way too expensive and the compatibility issues have not been worked out.
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What kind of screen is that? Tell me that isn't just painted on the wall.

“You know, when you think about it, the Ewoks probably just crap over the sides of their tree-huts.”

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It's so sad to see a good prjector go bad

“You know, when you think about it, the Ewoks probably just crap over the sides of their tree-huts.”

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Originally posted by: TR47
Why are you posting false info about me and my plans? I have no plans to sell a DL set anytime soon. The media is way too expensive and the compatibility issues have not been worked out.


TR47 - Don't get mad bro - I was just speculating based on your news of a new DL set and your current price that's all.
- I said NOTHING bad or inflammatory bro it's all cool here man + If you do get a set that your gonna disto - Dude, PLEASE send a copy to one of the other forum memebers for a review. - That's all - there aint' no one mad at ya

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Originally posted by: sean wookie
looks like it


Nope that's an actual DIY screen that I made + It has 1.2% light gain over a white wall or bedsheet (both 0 gain) and has about the same quality of picture as my 48x48 Da-Lite Screen alleged 2% gain - I know it's NO Stewart Firehawk but heck it beats the heck out of one of my clients 150" Elitech Csreen

FYI - I've been working in the Home Entertainment System field professionally now for about 10 years.
I'm an independent contractor for Dishnetwork + VOOM and I also do custom home theater/network installations with a few local small-business this is how I'm able to spend as much time on the forums as possible and TAKE a week off of work!

OKAY -

Now that's all cleared up....

I ment no disrespect to TR47 - I hope that your not offended bud.

That's it I'm outta here for a few more days (I had this window open and refreshed it that why I reposted - but I was just told by my son to get away from the puter'!)





“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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I"m not mad, I just don't like incorrect info being posted about my activities. I would appreciate a refrain from future speculation. Any info regarding a DL set will be posted to this forum, but it is not likely to happen before the year's end due to the media problems.
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Hehehe ... cheers mate. Nice info.

I'll just stick to the Anamorphic set. Like it ... goood.

Now you get back to your break
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Whoa, Rik! Thanks for the props. I just call 'em as I see 'em. I just don't want to see people get ripped off by getting any of the asian imports that claim to be the best versions just because they are factory pressed or (more recently) dual-layered. A lot more and better effort has been put into the OT project by people who visit these boards.

Honestly, I don't have super high-end equipment, but I have better than average in order to give a good general review. Also, I've been on the post production end of film and television for most of my adult work history so I kinda know what to look for. It's nice to feel appreciated.
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I knew you were doing something in that field Rikter. I've been dying to get Voom actually. All the HD programming looks sweet, of course I can only do about 50", not 119". *SCREEN ENVY*
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So, if you do a Dual-Layered set, will the actual picture and sound quailty be improved over the TR47 set?

I know you can put menus and stuff on 'em, but is the actual movie quality improved?

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I think what he's saying is that the picture quality CAN be improved over previous sets, but only with the right equipment, know-how, and once the general compatibility problems with DL get worked out.
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Magnolia may have that level of equipment judging by the quality of editing he did with his SW edits.
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Nope that's an actual DIY screen that I made + It has 3% light gain over a white wall or bedsheet and has about the same quality of picture as my 48x48 Da-Lite Screen - I know it's NO Stewart Firehawk but heck it beats the heck out of one of my clients 150" Elitech Csreen



Thank god. I've seen so many good prjectors that people just put up on a white wall.

Glad to hear you have some knowledge other than "I want it big."

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meh im glad i got my bootleg set for free...
lol
thx for the info though Rikter
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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I would rank picture over sound (which the anamorphic only fall slightly short in). Widescreen, anamorpic picture is reason to have DVD to me. And apparently the TR47 is just sharper 2.0 sound, now if someone could give me anamorphic with crisp 5.1 thats a whole other story.
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Rikter,

Thanks for the mini review. First off I'd like to say that I really apprecaite all your hard work with reviewing, posting covers, seeding torrents, etc - so please dont take this the wrong way, but your review somewhat contradicts one of your other posts. Above you say that the DL disc picture quality "is only a BIT better than the Anamorphic set that is out now spanks the LOOK and the TR47 set". So this would lead me to believe that the anamorphic set spanks the TR47 set in picture quality. But in this thread you state that "Compared to TR47’s discs, they look almost exactly the same except that these discs are anamorphic and have a slightly higher color level. ROTJ looks a little softer in places compared to TR47’s." I realize that the above quote was from RowMan, but you did say he was an unbiased reviewer whoose opinion you trust. So does the current anamorphic set spank the TR47, or do they look almost the same? Anyway, no disrespect - just wanted a little clairification. Thanks again for all that you've done!

EDIT: Soon I'll be able to make up my own mind, as mailed some blank discs to DigitalFreakNYC late last week to get a set of the Anamorphic version.
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"And apparently the TR47 is just sharper 2.0 sound, now if someone could give me anamorphic with crisp 5.1 thats a whole other story"


Wasn't there just a whole thread arguing about the LD source being only in 2.0, so any 5.1 mix would be an extrapolation of that, making the whol enterprise kinda pointless? Doesn't a 5.1 mix of of a 2.0 source just eat up extra space on the disc?
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now, shouldnt the 2.0 source function as dolby pro logic surround, but not dolby digital? thats still a pretty decent surround sound mix
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The TR47 set uses the orginal PCM 2.0 audio yes. But with a Prologic II reciever it will decode to the rear channels very nicely. The closest to 5.1 you will get for the OT. It's not 5.1 but sense the orginal trilogy was never put out with 5.1 (On laserdisc i mean I know it was in theatres with 5.1) that's the best you can get as far as sound.

The TR47 set really does spank the anamorphic on sound.

As for picture it really only matters if you have a widescreen TV with a good zoom feature. If you don't have good zoom go with the Anamorphic. If you have a decent zoom the TR47 will look better.

If you don't have a widescreen TV at all it won't really matter all that much which set you get.

Hope that helps

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Originally posted by: Infinity
Rikter,

Thanks for the mini review. First off I'd like to say that I really apprecaite all your hard work with reviewing, posting covers, seeding torrents, etc - so please dont take this the wrong way, but your review somewhat contradicts one of your other posts. Above you say that the DL disc picture quality "is only a BIT better than the Anamorphic set that is out now spanks the LOOK and the TR47 set". So this would lead me to believe that the anamorphic set spanks the TR47 set in picture quality. But in this thread you state that "Compared to TR47’s discs, they look almost exactly the same except that these discs are anamorphic and have a slightly higher color level. ROTJ looks a little softer in places compared to TR47’s." I realize that the above quote was from RowMan, but you did say he was an unbiased reviewer whoose opinion you trust. So does the current anamorphic set spank the TR47, or do they look almost the same? Anyway, no disrespect - just wanted a little clairification. Thanks again for all that you've done!

EDIT: Soon I'll be able to make up my own mind, as mailed some blank discs to DigitalFreakNYC late last week to get a set of the Anamorphic version.


You'll need to make your own mind up dude.

EVERYONE here has different levels of components as far as their Home Systems go so it real real depends on what you got -

- The Anamorphic set has better colors and looks better on my LCD projector
- The TR47 set SOUNDS the BEST on my Onkyo
- The 1 and only DUAL LAYER DVD that my friend captured looks ONLY SLIGHTLY BETTER then the Anamorphic SET - AND NOT worth my encodeing them to dual layer or duplicating them asthe differance was only noticeable on my PROJECTOR but NOT on my 27"

- THIS IS ALL MY OPINION ONLY

The difference is neglagable and VERY HARD to really notice AS EVERYONES TV has different color/sharpness settings - Some of you have 60" SONY WEGA's some of you have 20 years old RCA's - I use the "Avia Guide to Home Theater Home theater information and setup DVD" to adjust my personal (and clients) home theater some folks use "Digital Video Essentials - DVD NTSC Home Theater Setup" and MOST of you use the "does that look right?" - method

Some share it some don't - IF you want the best get the REAL LASERDISCS - Period

I've not yet watched these fan created DVD's in their entirety as I've stated before - I have and will only watch the LD's (I have a video proccessor and I can adjust colors and contrast + it's also line doubler) and I get a WAY better result then ANY of these DVDr's

- Rowman has givin the most impressive and complete reviews - If you want to do a review by all means post in the VERSIONS thread

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Rikter,

Thanks for the reply. The fact that you are using a LCD front projector is probably one of the reasons the anamorphic set looks better than the TR47 version. As I said before I am awaiting the anamorphic set to see which I personally prefer. I would agree that the quality from one version to another greatly depend on the equipment people are using. I only have a 32" TV, so who knows if I'll even notice a difference between the two. I will be taking both versions over to a couple of friends houses who have much better equipment than myself to do a comparison (one has a Sanyo Z1 front projector and the other has a 50" Hitachi LCD Rear Projection HDTV). All of our sets are calibrated using AVIA. The one advantage my setup has is that I have two identical dvd players hooked up, so its extremely easy to sync up both versions and flip back and forth to compare; where on my friends setups we'll have to watch a few minutes, then swap discs and watch the same scene again. Anyway, I'll be sure to post my opinion in the thread you mentioned.

EDIT: Again, no hard feelings - I was just a little confused.