The Blu-ray mixes could be nearfield, I've not been able to confirm. All 3 Nolan films sound excellent on Blu-ray though.
Jetrell has discovered a way to decode the protected DTS discs, thus why Revenge of the Sith has been decoded.
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penguinofgreatness said:
The Nolan films do have their original mix on the Blurays. Even if the container format (DTS, Dolby) has changed, the mix will remain the same. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe they just ported over the theatrical mixes. They sound good.
Rises is 100% not the cinema mix, it is remixed and more than likely near field and the worst major budget audio mix in all its forms in 20 years imho
The Dark Knight Rises sounds amazing on Blu-ray. Better at home than it was in both DCP and IMAX for me.
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That is like saying herpes is better than genital warts, I don't care for either.
It was loud without any control, they ramped up Bane for the cheap seats and killed everyone else's dialogue in the process.
There is little dynamic range and bog all soundstage panning, Prometheus came out in the same year and made the most 3D soundstage heard in years.
I don't have the "rises" bluray, but it sounded ok in theaters.
lol what is wrong with The Dark Knight Rises audio? I to thought it sounded great on my set up, what is there Cinema DTS discs of this floating around that are supposed to be better?
dark_jedi said:
lol what is wrong with The Dark Knight Rises audio? I to thought it sounded great on my set up, what is there Cinema DTS discs of this floating around that are supposed to be better?
Now now dj, be nice .... LOL. I cannot tell you whether the theater audio is more well rounded than the Blu audio but I can tell you that on my set up which is fairly basic, Banes voice overtakes most of the scenes he's in as do the special effects. The audio doesn't seem to be evenly distributed between dialog, music, and effects.
If I can get a set of the DTS discs I can let you all know ..... until then, we all have our own feelings on how we like things to sound. Let's keep it calm and fun.
:)
lol where in my post does it come off as I am not calm? people read to much into text lol, but I will say I hope you do find the Cinema DTS CD's and share, and of course we all hear things differently and like things differently, this goes without saying, I was just wondering if someone had some substantial proof or facts that this audio track is bad, keep calm lol, if I go any calmer I will be sleeping, I am just sharing my opinion like anyone else in this thread in that I liked the BD very much so, so again I hope you do find Cinema DTS tracks so we can hear this audio for ourselves and see what if any the differences are.
If it is better, then great! I friggin love this movie, by the way where do you even find these Discs? Ebay?
To each their own I suppose. Rises had great bass and dynamic range, both off the chart on a well tuned system. Bane's voice: you either love or hate it. I enjoy it.
The Dark Knight had the best mix of them all.
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dark_jedi said:
lol where in my post does it come off as I am not calm? people read to much into text lol, but I will say I hope you do find the Cinema DTS CD's and share, and of course we all hear things differently and like things differently, this goes without saying, I was just wondering if someone had some substantial proof or facts that this audio track is bad, keep calm lol, if I go any calmer I will be sleeping, I am just sharing my opinion like anyone else in this thread in that I liked the BD very much so, so again I hope you do find Cinema DTS tracks so we can hear this audio for ourselves and see what if any the differences are.
If it is better, then great! I friggin love this movie, by the way where do you even find these Discs? Ebay?
No worries dj, I was just saying, it's all good. If I can get my hands on them I will share them. Personally, I don't know if there are any differences. I know when I saw it in the theater it was loud as hell. I personally like all 3 movies .... Rises soundtrack is the loudest of them all on Bluray. Maybe that was the effect they were going for.
Tom Hardy obviously worked hard to make Bane his own. Kudos to him.
:)
I will at least agree that the sound mix on the 15/70 IMAX screening I went to was uncomfortably loud, and Bane's voice illicited a negative reaction from my ears similar to that from hearing microphone feedback.
Though to be fair, it wasn't as bad as the 70mm screening of Wrath of Khan I attended where they ran the print without Dolby Type A, and every phaser, torpedo, transporter and warp would peak the treble.
I remember TDKR sounding better in DCP. Maybe my IMAX venue jacked up the sound themselves?
borisanddoris said:
To each their own I suppose. Rises had great bass and dynamic range, both off the chart on a well tuned system. Bane's voice: you either love or hate it. I enjoy it.
The Dark Knight had the best mix of them all.
I am a fan of his voice, but the cheap seats at the IMAX previews complaining meant they upped him in the mix and lost everyone else's voices in the process.
I listed to that and Boure legacy back to back and Bourne just destroys it, if you have not listen to the 7.1 track on that with height, its so immersive it's crazy.
It is all personal taste but DKR was just random loudness, all fur coat, no knickers
I have no doubts that Bourne sounds good...but one can't compared two different films' sound mixes and say one is better than the other: they both have two different intents and purposes.
You can say one is more pleasing to listen to, but that's about where it ends. As far as I can tell, the Dark Knight Rises audio on Blu-ray is faithful to the cinematic experience, whether one likes that experience or not. And that should be the purpose of Blu-ray and the work we all do: preserve that experience.
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Faithful? It is 100%not the same mix
It felt awfully similar to my 15/70 IMAX screening. Maybe we should stop speculating though, and find some DTS discs and compare!! :)
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The DKR 15/70 IMAX audio was some of the worst I've heard in a long while. Horridly loud in the first reel, and then far too quiet throughout in the dialogue scenes. It felt terribly dull to be honest.It may have bneen the IMAX theater though, many reported similar experiences with TDKR.
Is there enough interest to do a similar Theatrical Dolby thread? One for Stereo, Surround, SR and 5.1 mixes ported to LD and the like?
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captainsolo said:
The DKR 15/70 IMAX audio was some of the worst I've heard in a long while. Horridly loud in the first reel, and then far too quiet throughout in the dialogue scenes. It felt terribly dull to be honest.It may have bneen the IMAX theater though, many reported similar experiences with TDKR.
Is there enough interest to do a similar Theatrical Dolby thread? One for Stereo, Surround, SR and 5.1 mixes ported to LD and the like?
I have had the same experience with TDKR both theater and Bluray/DVD. I WILL however take a guess by saying that if we can come across the DTS cinema CD's, at least the audio could be manually adjusted to be more even across the board BUT it would take someone with know-how to do it properly.
That said, I'm sure there could be a separate thread for the Dolby stuff as I KNOW we have plenty here that are interested in ALL available audio options be preserved .... especially if they have been changed since they were originally released.
:)
I wonder if my auditorium was tuned to compensate because it sounded fantastic. Oh well.
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captainsolo said:
The DKR 15/70 IMAX audio was some of the worst I've heard in a long while. Horridly loud in the first reel, and then far too quiet throughout in the dialogue scenes. It felt terribly dull to be honest.It may have bneen the IMAX theater though, many reported similar experiences with TDKR.
The Regular DLP was the same with not as good fidelity as the imax.
Its a hot mix. Its a sin of many modern film mixes overly loud, dialog too quiet almost unintelligible in some scenes.
I still prefer this over the mix being brickwalled though, and normalizing it so everything is at the same level volume wise.
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Okay, update ....... Up to this point, I have to say I've been a bit frustrated because aside from a set of discs folks are using for an ongoing project there hasn't been any other movement on this aside from me obtaining soundtracks and decoding them ...... it was leaving me feel a bit helpless and bummed.
Fast forward to yesterday .... I received a pm on another site from a close acquaintance who has helped me through the DTS mess. He offered a few suggestions and it inspired me to do what work I know I could. I opened up Sony Sound Forge and started work on the audio for Star Trek: First Contact. This is my first real forray into Sound Forge but I'll be darned if I'm going to let this project drop by the wayside .... projects will need audio to work with and people have requested audio they'd like to see be available for use so I'm going to do it.
Now, synching the audio to video is NOT my forte. I will have to learn to do it. Please be patient with me. As long as I can keep the audio as close as I can to fluent without copying, pasting, time shifting and such I will have made it far easier for others to smooth out any minor details.
For everyone who has shown me support, it is greatly appreciated. I will need it to keep moving forward to finally get some of these rolled out. Keep bringing your suggestions and any tips you might want to share. It helps us ALL.
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BIG HUGE THANKS to borisanddoris, ElDonante, Silverwook, CapableMetal, and others who have inspired, worked on, and helped in some way to spark folks interest on this matter. WITHOUT them we'd still be wondering and waiting for such preservations. You ALL rock in my book. :)
I find it easier to synch audio to...other audio.
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Molly said:
I find it easier to synch audio to...other audio.
Any chance you would consider elaborating on that Molly?
I think what Molly means is that perhaps it's easier to take a default or sort of standard audio track that is already synced to video (so the First Contact Blu-ray's audio) and sync the DTS Cinema rip to that. Sync it to that, and it'll naturally sync to the video as well. This is how I did it on Jurassic Park 3D and it worked pretty well and was easy.
As we know, the hard part with this DTS project is cutting and splicing the reels together. I continue to try and teach myself how to do this.
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borisanddoris said:
I think what Molly means is that perhaps it's easier to take a default or sort of standard audio track that is already synced to video (so the First Contact Blu-ray's audio) and sync the DTS Cinema rip to that. Sync it to that, and it'll naturally sync to the video as well. This is how I did it on Jurassic Park 3D and it worked pretty well and was easy.
As we know, the hard part with this DTS project is cutting and splicing the reels together. I continue to try and teach myself how to do this.
Sony Sound Forge ...... I've been having a really good time with it. It works nicely since my files are already decoded and with LFE. I was afraid at first because I didn't want to screw it up but after yesterday I just jumped in. I have worked with Adobe Audition and vinyl rips and I became pretty good at it so I figured, why can't I do this.
Now it's on ......