@Jonno:
this is the "Dolby Fanfare" trailer; I downloaded it, but as you pointed out, it was jerky and I deleted it... THANK YOU very much for your fixing!
Dolby Stereo and SR are very welcome - even if they are 480p, if they are different from the ones I have, I'll use them anyway.
@digitalfreaknyc:
yes, please, take a look and let me know if something is missing.
UPDATE:
I found "Curious George Dolby Digital" trailer, but the quality is awful... I'd prefer to use a better version - if someone has it, please post the link.
OT:
if someone is "Curious as George" enough to download these trailers (9MB all), then post some comments here...
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
OT:
if someone is "Curious as George" enough to download these trailers (9MB all), then post some comments here...
Intro for compilation..??
a: visual good but audio gave me a headache
b: visual gave me a headache but possibly best audio
c: headache all round
d: best overall
e: liked the visuals but pipe sound a bit harsh
trp said:
Intro for compilation..??
these are test "trailers" I'd like to use for this project, as well as others... I think to put one of them at the beginning, or after the end, of restoration projects.
I made five different trailers just for fun! I like best "a", and also "d" is interesting; I'm happy you spent some of your times to review them.
I changed a bit the music and effects, and uploaded at 720p - if you want to take a look at these versions, you'll find that they have a better audio/video quality.
Here you are the tentative names of the trailers, with the download links:
a = FALLING PEOPLE (download)
b = WHITE CORRIDOR (download)
c = MATRIX CITY (download)
d = LINKED SPHERES (download)
e = RUNNING LINES (download)
UPDATE:
As I supposed, the Dolby Digital trailers on laserdiscs ARE different than the ones on DVDs: apart the same versions, there are also some "Dolby Surround AC3 Digital" instead the usual "Dolby Digital" logo at the end.
Also, the THX Broadway logo exists in different versions... while the video is the same, apart duration, audio soundtracks are different in duration, pitch and volume increasing - I captured and converted at least four different versions: PAL PCM, NTSC AC3, NTSC PCM, NTSC DDEX.
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LATEST UPDATE:
Take a look at these trailers:
THX - BROADWAY 2013 (8MB)
THX - JURASSIC (DTS) (13MB)
Please download them and let me know if I should add'em to the project.
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Better audio on the ones I didn't like makes it a closer call, eg c. Matrix City is better but for me d. Linked Spheres still edges it as my favourite.
As for the THX trailers, I'm not sure. Are they 'proper' trailers? How many versions of Broadway are there?! I don't like the Jurassic Park trailer - the dialogue/roar over the Broadway noise doesn't work - it's just grating.
trp said:
Better audio on the ones I didn't like makes it a closer call, eg c. Matrix City is better but for me d. Linked Spheres still edges it as my favourite.
Thanks for the review!
As for the THX trailers, I'm not sure. Are they 'proper' trailers? How many versions of Broadway are there?! I don't like the Jurassic Park trailer - the dialogue/roar over the Broadway noise doesn't work - it's just grating.
They are not official trailers, I've done it. The first, Broadway 2013, is just an homage to the classic Broadway found on laserdisc, done for THX's 30 years; I've done the second after I did the first and then I saw the "Bounty" official THX trailer... I'm not satisfied myself for the audio - I'm a complete noob at audio editing - but what about video?
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I'm probably not the right person to ask as I'm only watching them on a laptop but they seem 'clean'. Having said that, that's based on what I can see; I don't know if it's because they're mts or the bit rates on some of them are high or what but on both THX trailers and a couple of the others, the video is only becoming viewable about half way in. Your call but I would be inclined to just include official trailers and add your preferred test trailer at the start/end.
Another unaccounted for trailer (and it's very doubtful you'll get it) is the DTS water drop trailer. Apparently it's very similar to Imagine Films' intro logo, and they took issue with it resulting in DTS pulling the trailer. Instead we got the Sonic Landscape trailer.
trp said:
I don't know if it's because they're mts or the bit rates on some of them are high or what but on both THX trailers and a couple of the others, the video is only becoming viewable about half way in.
When I play them onto my PC with Media Player Classic, they start some seconds after I opened the files, but from the beginning; if I use VLC, they start almost immediately, but the audio is from the beginning, while video become visible after 8-10 seconds... the same for all my m2ts file - I'm sure it's not because the filetype, but because the m2ts file I use are AVC - H.264, "heavy" codec for oldest computers...
Your call but I would be inclined to just include official trailers and add your preferred test trailer at the start/end.
I think to add them in a proper section, "unofficial", along with the Star Wars one, after all the others... I also thought to start a thread, "post your unofficial/custom made DD DTS THX trailer"... what do you think?
Another unaccounted for trailer (and it's very doubtful you'll get it) is the DTS water drop trailer. Apparently it's very similar to Imagine Films' intro logo, and they took issue with it resulting in DTS pulling the trailer. Instead we got the Sonic Landscape trailer.
I'm aware of it, and also asked a person to scan the actual film print... still waiting his anwer...
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Great project Andrea, can't wait to see the results. I found these Dolby Stereo trailers on YouTube a few years ago. They are circa late 1970s into the 80s, same era as the Mancini trailer (great trailer). Not great quality but there you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nZnBPwPRFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9GIHHkZOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsRIVD8zwQU
PDB, thanks a lot! It's a vintage trailer that must NOT be NOT included in this project! (double negation = an assertion)
It will be included along with the Mancini trailer (Dolby Fanfare).
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PDB said:
Great project Andrea, can't wait to see the results. I found these Dolby Stereo trailers on YouTube a few years ago. They are circa late 1970s into the 80s, same era as the Mancini trailer (great trailer). Not great quality but there you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nZnBPwPRFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9GIHHkZOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsRIVD8zwQU
I love this trailer. I persuaded one of the guys who uploaded it to Youtube to send me his VHS - I recaptured this and two other similar Dolby trailers for a higher quality preservation. Sadly his tape was a second generation copy, so even though I've cleaned up some particularly noisy frames there's still an obvious VHS 'shimmer', but I think my versions are about as good as they currently get (and they sound great on a surround system):
(edit: links removed since someone decided it was clever to upload my work to youtube without permission or credit)
(_,,,^..^,,,_ , I'll arrange to upload uncompressed versions of these for your project. They're all 480p).
Very cool, Jonno. I love the classics
Jonno, thanks, thanks a lot!!! You added two new vintage Dolby trailers, and I will definitely add them to this project... I'm eagerly waiting for your uncompressed files!
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
trp said:
I don't know if it's because they're mts or the bit rates on some of them are high or what but on both THX trailers and a couple of the others, the video is only becoming viewable about half way in.
When I play them onto my PC with Media Player Classic, they start some seconds after I opened the files, but from the beginning; if I use VLC, they start almost immediately, but the audio is from the beginning, while video become visible after 8-10 seconds... the same for all my m2ts file - I'm sure it's not because the filetype, but because the m2ts file I use are AVC - H.264, "heavy" codec for oldest computers...
Your call but I would be inclined to just include official trailers and add your preferred test trailer at the start/end.
I think to add them in a proper section, "unofficial", along with the Star Wars one, after all the others... I also thought to start a thread, "post your unofficial/custom made DD DTS THX trailer"... what do you think?
Another unaccounted for trailer (and it's very doubtful you'll get it) is the DTS water drop trailer. Apparently it's very similar to Imagine Films' intro logo, and they took issue with it resulting in DTS pulling the trailer. Instead we got the Sonic Landscape trailer.
I'm aware of it, and also asked a person to scan the actual film print... still waiting his anwer...
That's exactly it. I use VLC too. At least it's consistent then.
Putting them in their own section makes sense to me. I don't know if there'd be enough interest in a specific thread for custom audio format trailers but who's to say...
Interesting. Well you got the CDS trailer(s?) so most things seem possible!
As I'm sure you're aware there's also a Dolby SR logo'd version of Fanfare. Logically the real trailer is/was SR encoded but as the Dolby Stereo version you have from Jonno (good job on the fix and the other trailers) doesn't have the original audio either it's probably a moot issue.
Indeed - given that the SR advantage is one of fidelity rather than channel separation, a home viewing version needs only sound good enough (though it's interesting to note that this high quality copy of Fanfare is the only one I've seen that doesn't have the SR logo at the end).
Now, what I'd really like to see is a logo for 70mm 6-track stereo. I've no idea if one was ever made, but for my own amusement I put my own together using the audio from one of the Dolby trailers. If you have a section for unofficial clips I guess you may want to include it...
Jonno, I like the "vintageness" of your custom trailer; as I wrote before, I'll make also an unofficial/custom section, and I surely add your trailer!
If you have made others, post them here please.
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Just a note...
Playing around with some DTS LaserDiscs tonight, and both GoldenEye and Independence Day's have the non zoomed DTS digital experience trailer, and both are in scope.
Very lovely both of them.
“Alright twinkle-toes, what’s your exit strategy?”
Btw..someone mentioned on BD.com that there's a trailer on the Volcano laserdisc. Specific to the movie. FYI.
Thanks! I'll take a look! Now I'm a "bit" busy with my other projects, but this is not dead, only "feezed" until the others are ready - keep following this thread.
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I still can't wait for this.
Btw...I checked the DVD that I have and it looks like you have all of them.
As a suggestion, I would also include the Episode 1 Pod Race and my DVD has the DCS Cubes trailer as well. I know it's not DD/THX/DTS but it's cool for what it is.
Hell, if you could get a laserdisc transfer of the original THX disc, that'd be awesome.
I'm after so many projects now, that this was left behind, but still thinking about it because I love very much these trailers.
IIRC, the EP1 pod race was just a short snippet of the movie, and if it's it, I will not include it into my project, as I'd like to have only DTS/DD/THX trailers et similia... so, the DCS Cubes trailer will be included too - it should be just inside the project folder, but it's onto another external HDD now, I have to check; if it's not, I'll ask you for that, ok?
A laserdisc tranfer of the WOW? Well, I have not that disc, but if anybody wants to borrow it to me, I'll use the Pioneer HLD-X9 to capture it, and so it will be the second best capture in the world - after the HLD-X0, but really really really close...
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The pod race was, apparently, not the extended version. It's the original theatrical version. So it's different. Not sure if there's anything else different about the sound mix or anything like that...
Also, here's the laserdisc. It's going for pretty cheap on ebay!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/THX-Laser-Disk-WOW-/300995754578?pt=US_Laserdisc&hash=item4614beba52
digitalfreaknyc said:
The pod race was, apparently, not the extended version. It's the original theatrical version. So it's different. Not sure if there's anything else different about the sound mix or anything like that...
Only the Theatrical version had a DTS cinema track so it would make sense that it's the shorter version of the Pod race. When the DVD was released they did not spring for the DTS, instead they stuck with the Dolby mix considering the DVD was extended.
Is someone still interested in this project?
I'm asking because now that I learnt (a bit) how to use MultiAVCHD, I think I could manage to release a BD-25 with proper menus...
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ABSOLUTELY! I'd love it! I'd love to be able to replace my DVD :)